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lockdown Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:32 PM
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Aswat - Who linked him to the London bombings and why? (ISI/US vs UK?)
With reports that the July 7th & 21st bombings weren't linked and there was no al-Qaeda "mastermind" behind them, I've been wondering about the claims that Haroon Rashid Aswat (reportedly an MI6 asset) was that mastermind, claims that followed the reports he'd been arrested in Pakistan.

The reports of that arrest seem to be the first mention of him in relation to the bombings, and they came on July 21st. I think the primary source, picked up by other papers that morning, was this London Times report, which cites only "intelligence sources" and Pakistani "security sources". It doesn't say which country the intelligence sources are from though it reads to me like they're British, but this Guardian report from the same morning only cites Pakistani security and intelligence sources. A week later, it's reported the story came from "two Pakistani sources". Dramatic account of the arrest, whoever the sources were:

Security sources there told The Times that he was armed with a number of guns, wearing an explosive belt and carrying around £17,000 in cash. He had a British passport and was about to flee across the border to Afghanistan.

British denials quickly followed, and some reports later the same day mention some of the Aswat claims in the above Times report, but make no mention of any arrest, denied or otherwise.

London police later played down claims he was the mastermind as just "media speculation", which still leaves the question of who started them speculating if true. One related source was Pervez Musharraf, who maintained both bombings were masterminded by the same individual, without mentioning Aswat by name that I've seen. On the same day Aswat's Pakistan arrest hit the news, Musharraf made a speech calling on Pakistani's to wage war against religious extremists but also talked about how the UK had its own problems with religious extremists and groups they needed to crack down on. This was at a time when Pakistan was under serious pressure, with persuasive media reports of all the "evidence" pointing there in the July 7th bombings (simultaneous visits, madrassa stays, telephone records), so they had reason to shift or dampen that focus even if those reports weren't true. According to this, Aswat was "regarded by the ISI as a prime suspect in having masterminded the London bombings". I think it's safe to guess they were among the sources drawing that Aswat mastermind picture for the media.

It also seems to have been pushed in the US, with UK sources expressing irritation at "repeated suggestions in the US that he was connected to the bombings". UK sources would say that, maybe, if John Loftus is right and he belongs to MI6, but inaccurate speculation from US intel/political sources in support of global terror network theories and sinister masterminds isn't that surprising either.

But US sources maybe had other reasons of their own for putting a spotlight on Aswat. Although the FBI at least were reported as thinking he was dead, some US authorities knew he was alive weeks before the bombings because they'd located him in South Africa and wanted to arrest him, but the UK blocked it and Aswat "slipped away". If they thought the UK were protecting him, or at least that they weren't taking US interest in Aswat seriously enough, some highly embarrassing publicity might be seen as one way to get the UK to relent and let them extradite Aswat? Hasn't worked so far if so (he's now in British custody). While UK "counter-terrorism officials" are still describing him as "of interest", "British officials" dismiss his links to the bombings and are resisting extradition "unless he is to stand trial for specific offences in America". Unusual respect for the rule of law in these times I think, especially relating to extraditions, sounds to me like a balancing act between dismissing any links to the bombings while claiming enough interest to justify keeping hold of him.

The date of his Zambian arrest (an arrest disclosed by US and Zambian sources) at the request of US authorities is rather interesting I think. This and this put it at around July 21st/22nd, the same time his arrest in Pakistan was reported, but the IHT is more precise, saying he was arrested in Zambia on July 20th, the day before reports of his arrest in Pakistan. The NYT repeated that July 20th date on Aug 7th, in an article titled "Zambia Deports Suspected Al Qaeda Agent to Britain", but I can never log into their shitty site nowadays. Has that timing already been covered and I missed it?
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lockdown Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 07:19 PM
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1. If nothing else,
there seems to be a perception that UK authorities named and went after Aswat, only to suddenly back off when rumours of his MI6 links surfaced. However, all the talk of Aswat's key involvement in the London bombings seems to have come from US and Pakistani sources, with UK denials throughout that he was seen as the "mastermind" or "5th man" (there are question marks over phone calls he reportedly had with one or more of the named July 7th bombers).

I find it striking that he was arrested at US instigation in Zambia, then the next day (or around the same time at least) there are dramatic reports from Pakistan sources of his arrest there while trying to flee across the border to Afghanistan. Dismissed later as mistaken identity, but if that is so I wonder who it actually was carrying explosives and guns and grands and fleeing across the border?! I wonder if many other people arrested in Pakistan were actually picked up on different continents.

Nosing round Google News a bit more on the Zambian arrest, there's a report he was tailed by "intelligence agents" (which country?) on entering the country from Botswana (coming from S. Africa where the US failed to arrest him via Botswana, presumably) and those intelligence agents arrested him in the capital. When the arrest was made public later, the source was apparently "two American anti-terrorism officials", reported in the LA Times for one.

Some sources on that at the time, earliest first..

July 28th

In another development, the Los Angeles Times reports that Zambian authorities have detained a man with South African connections, who was being sought in this month's deadly London bombing plot as well as for his alleged role in setting up a terrorist training camp in Oregon in the United States.

The report said Haroon Rashid Aswat, 30, has lived in South Africa and travelled extensively around the African continent. Aswat, a British citizen of Indian descent, piqued the interest of investigators when they discovered that about 20 calls had been placed from his cellphone to some of the men who set off bombs on London's underground and a bus on July 7, killing 52 people.

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In the Aswat case, two American anti-terrorism officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Aswat was arrested in Zambia, but they did not elaborate on the circumstances of his capture or the reasons for his travel there.

One of the US officials said British and US anti-terrorism investigators had gone to Zambia after Aswat's detention last week and were in talks with each other and Zambian officials to determine where it would be best to prosecute Aswat.

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=84&art_id=vn20050728130208470C280235

July 29th

As part of continuing investigations into the July 7 blasts, British embassy staff in Zambia were trying on Friday to establish whether the mastermind behind the attack has been arrested in the country.

Zambian officials had informed British officials that a British national had been arrested, a British Foreign Office spokesperson in London said, but embassy staff were still seeking consular access.

British police and the Foreign Office have refused to confirm United States reports that Haroon Rashid Aswat, a Briton of Pakistani origin previously named as the suspected planner of the July 7 attacks, is the captured man.

However, a Zambian intelligence official confirmed that someone was being held "in connection with terrorist activities".

http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=246769&area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__international_news/

July 30th

Meanwhile, a British Muslim man being held by police in Zambia has been charged by the American authorities with being an al-Qaeda terrorist, it emerged on Friday.

Haroon Rashid Aswat (30), from Dewsbury, West Yorkshire, was charged over his alleged role in a plot to set up a terrorist training camp in Oregon more than five years ago.

Despite widespread media reports, however, he is not suspected of involvement in the London attacks of July 7 that claimed 56 lives, although British police and counter-terrorism officials may question him about possible links with one of the suicide bombers.

...

A dispute has arisen between British diplomats, who have no objection to him being extradited to stand trial, and American authorities, who are understood to wish to see him subjected to a process known as rendition, which could see him taken to a country other than the United States, where he may be at risk of being tortured.

http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=246783&area=/london_terror/london_news/

July 30th

Meanwhile, a Briton held in Zambia in connection with the London terrorist bombings on 7 July told Zambian investigators that he had once been a body guard for Osama bin Laden, officials said last night.

The Zambian officials also said investigators were questioning Haroon Rashid Aswat about 20 phone calls he allegedly made to some of the men thought to have set off bombs on London's Underground and on a bus. The bombings killed 56 people, including the four suicide bombers.

The Zambian officials said intelligence agents followed Aswat to Lusaka after he entered the country last week from Botswana and arrested him at a house in the capital.

http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1702632005

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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 08:22 PM
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2. The Aswat/MI6
Connection never appeared ONCE on ANY serious British news show, not 'Newsnight', not 'Channel 4 News', not even 'Panorama'

Although it was in various newspapers, I'd bet that 80% plus of the British population has no idea whatsoever that Aswat the so-called Mastermind of July 7th, was in actual fact on MI6's payroll.

Smacks of another cover-up by The Establishment, ala The Dunblane Report/Pedophile Ring in High Places...then again Aswat/MI6 could JUST be ANOTHER of those very strange and convenient co-incidences that have kept popping up since September 11th.

I believe they're covering up, because not everything CAN be another conspiracy theory. I'm looking forward to reading David Shayler's forthcoming book, because he was MI6 and he's already commented about the British government paying "A-Q" money to carry out overseas assassinations. Bet Shayler knows all about Aswat.
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lockdown Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 08:46 PM
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3. What struck me at the time
was that the British tabloids didn't go berserk about his Abu Hamza (UK extremist bogeyman) connection. Not that I noticed anyway. Who knows if he's an asset of MI6 or whatever agency (they're pretty interchangeable I think, especially US/UK), but that alone struck me as very odd. When his name first surfaced I fully expected the Abu Hamza/bombings link to be on the tabloid front pages the next day, even if Hamza is awaiting some trial or hearing.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 08:57 PM
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4. Yeah
Edited on Mon Aug-15-05 09:01 PM by ...of J.Temperance
Because a few years ago they were all over Abu Hamza, so it's most odd that they'd fail to report on Aswat. Then again, no big news show reported on the connection either. Which leads me to believe, those in control are telling them NOT to report it.

They sure spent enough time whipping up a frenzy over Omar Bakri Mohammad or Omar Mohammad Bakri.

You know, Aswat was pulled in by Seattle prosecutors a couple of years ago, trying to set up a terrorist training camp in Oregon, they had him and John Asscroft demanded that they let him go, so he was out on the loose and he'd admitted to being a former bin-Laden bodyguard. Now why would they let such a person go, someone who was obviously dangerous? Maybe he is MI6, afterall it's well known the the CIA financed and established Al-Qaeda and bin-Laden.

The truth is stranger than fiction.
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lockdown Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 09:17 PM
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5. Still are all over him I think,
just not the fact he's linked to Haroon Rashid Aswat. It was mentioned in passing by the UK broadsheets at the time, but it was still more prominent in overseas reports including in the US.

Saying that, he's still news but poor Hamza is being a bit overshadowed by other bogeymen now, he'll have to get a more flashy hook or something.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 09:29 PM
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6. Abu Hamza
Edited on Mon Aug-15-05 09:32 PM by ...of J.Temperance
Have they said when his trial is actually happening? Seems like its taking ages.

I wholly agree that the almost total news blackout on the Abu Hamza/Aswat connection is, well, somethings rotten in Denmark is all one can say.

Abu Hamza's ONLY hope is to get a more flashy hook OR for him to appear on a reality TV show...I'd advise for him to do the latter if I were his PR, because it'd guarantee at least a few months of INSTANT celebrity. Go for it Abu baby.

BTW, in case you're wondering, my editing my own posts is for me to correct minor spelling errors.
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lockdown Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 09:44 PM
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7. Adjourned to Jan 2006 apparently
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Hamza_al-Masri

Reality show, the ratings would be off the chart with Abu doing his thing! With that under his belt, he might even get on a special edition of Kilroy.

Typos, no matter. Hadn't noticed the edits. :)
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 09:58 PM
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8. Robert 'Man Tan' Kilroy-Silk
Gosh, Kilroy's so MASSIVELY orange, now Veritas seems to have gone belly up, he'd be a natural to appear in a new Tango ad.

Thanks for the Abu Hamza link, an interesting read.

How about Abu and Robert both appearing TOGETHER on a reality TV show. Heck, Kilroy's so BONKERS anymore, I THINK we might have the first incidence of a live Sectioning on TV and Kilroy being carted off to the nuthouse in a straight-jacket.

It's nice you're so understanding about my edits:)
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lockdown Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 10:09 PM
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9. You're welcome
Time to crash... once I've scrubbed Kilroy from my mind anyway!
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 10:19 PM
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10. Heck
Get scrubbing! No Kilroy nightmares are allowed.
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