CNN: "Exposing the Intelligence Failures...I'm Taping It..but is there a

[KoKo]

running thread here on DU...I think that might be impossible since one needs to watch the "Whole THing."

Anyway...I'm taping the Crap CNN/Powell Pump Up" because I'm a "coward" who can't stomach "REAL TIME."

Tapeing...Tape...Tape...Tape...Tape...Tape..Tape....Tape..Tape...

RETROSPECTIVE IS GOOD! REFLECTION...well it's NOT IN THE NEOCON AGENDA.

[Pirate Smile]

1. I scrolled down the Latest and see multiple threads on it but no

"official" threads so :shrug:

I think many, many people are planning on watching it.

[babylonsister]

2. I'm watching, if only to see how much

spin the program is handled with. The previews looked good and, dare I say, fair? We shall see...

[Clark2008]

3. Yep. Repeating on the east coast for those who haven't seen it.

Like me. I'm watching now.

[Pirate Smile]

4. Isn't this the first time it has aired? I'm in the Central time zone

and we generally get everything at the same time as Eastern and this is the first airing.

[Clark2008]

5. Maybe so for CNN

It was on CNN-International earlier. I don't have that channel.

[Pirate Smile]

7. Ahhh. I see. Downing Street Memos and WHIG group mentioned.

Good!

[Hissyspit]

10. Also, "cherry-picking" mentioned.

Looks good, SO FAR...

[jean]

15. we could almost change that to 'Cheney-picking' ...

[KalicoKitty]

6. Airs tonight at 8 p.m. and 11 p.m. ET

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/08/19/powell.un/index.html

[Al-CIAda]

8. They're STILL trying to whitewash, thusfar, imo. nt

[Eloriel]

11. Well, AFAIC calling it "intelligence FAILURES" IS a whitewash

to start with. IOW, they're starting out with a flawed premise -- and I believe on purpose.

[Al-CIAda]

12. Yes sir, I agree. Bullshit. nt

[flpoljunkie]

14. The quotes from Condi, Cheney and Rummy paint a vivid picture of the

selling of the Iraq War by the Bush administration. They are damning!

[Supersedeas]

47. True, but they forgot to quote the President saying that we HAVE found WMD

Remember those weather balloon trucks--no mention of that by CNN.

[opihimoimoi]

48. I remember that...he was clear about it, even had the smirk...

[flpoljunkie]

9. David Ensor is really laying it all out so far...not missing a beat.

David Kay saying there was no WMD, and who is now going to believe us next time.

He even mentions that Rummy's special intelligence group--altho he does not name the Office of Special Plans or mention who ran it--was not mentioned by the 9-11 Commission.

He also brings up the Downing Street Minutes and said that the White House would not speak wih them about the DSM for this program.

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

13. Agreed, surprisingly real

Keeping my fingers crossed.

[KoKo]

20. Okay...I've always wondered about David Ensor...was he with us, or not

and I have to say...I like him...and get good vibes from him. But, then I've been pulled back thinking "How much does Ensor GET from Cheney/PNAC? Is he on the PsyOP's Board, i.e. Busie Crime Family? :shrug:

But..inspite of that...I sort of like him. He has those "hipnotic eyes." I don't want this to be a "Lounge Post" but "body language is kind of important in today's world." :shrug:

[KoKo]

16. Okay my Center Left Hubby says...the CNN thing is worth watching....

I'm much more skeptical...I'm still in Bunker thinking it DOESN'T HIT HEARD ENOUGH.

I've told "MS Hubby" I'll wait and see what my DU'ers say about this Whore Media CNN Thingy where they are finally SPEAKING OUT!

I love hubby/he loves me...but we do "spar" over politics...it's good and healthy. :D

[Al-CIAda]

17. Ohm it doesn't hit hard enough to be sure, but its half-assed good. nt

[KoKo]

21. Thanks...it might be good enough to watch on the re-broadcast, then....

Sounds like it...I'm taping.. But other folks can tune in at 11:00 p.m. EDT... :shrug:

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

18. This is real enough that it brings back

how angry I felt, as we were dragged kicking and screaming to war.

Never mind that the weapons inspectors were allowed access, etc etc etc.

I'll never forgive W that. Ever.

[KoKo]

19. Okay...whats Drifting through my "closed doors" is now getting into Good

Stuff... I'm here on Computer and Hubby has the TV very Loud so stuff drifts in...it's starting to get Good with David Kay and how "policy makers USED Intelligence."

I'm still here in bunker with that stuff I'm so angry about "drifting through the closed doors." Hubby is on "Dire Alert" mode. He's watching and I'm here posting because I was a "chicken heart" who could watch CNN's first RUN of their "Special Report."

It does sound like it was worth a watch of the 11:00 Rebroadcast or a taping. I hang my head in shame because of my inability to trust CNN...

It sounds very good..worth a watch for all DU'ers....

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

24. This kind of honesty in reporting has been a long time

coming in the MSM.

I was at the computer, so not seeing and hearing all of it and the full impact.

Condilizard and the rest made me so angry again.

Being lied to and knowing it is happening does that to me.

Anyhow, we've all had good reason to not trust the MSM for a long time now.

[OneTwentyoNine]

22. Like he said the Bay of Pigs was all on Kennedys shoulders....

Vietnam laid on Johnsons doorstep. But the Iraq War gets FULLY blamed on the CIA?

BULL FUCKING SHIT!!!

[CANDO]

43. They are framing it that the CIA is the scapegoat.

They are definitely pointing out that it was the President who makes the call for these things. That whole exchange was very damaging and damning of Bush and the CIA gets the blame for it.

[MattP]

23. Good show

I think it hits pretty hard, anybody that sees that program knows they pushed us into that war for bullshit reasons. Even though we here at DU might want it to hit harder, people in the middle might take our view as to left-leaning and be turned off I think it struck a good balance. I just know that unfortunately that will be the last thing any news channel does that is critical of these creeps.

[KoKo]

25. Okay...Consensus is it's worth the "Re-Watch" at 11:00 p.m. EDT...so

that all can watch this. It might leave out alot of what we DU'ers already know...but for the Mainstream Americans this might be a "breakthrough."

One wonders if CNN is preparing for BAD FALLOUT from Fitzgerald out there in Chicago that they actually did this "Special Report."

Whatever...if average Americans saw it and are beginning to Awake...it's gotta have some impact. For that..I'm thankful. :shrug:

[wli]

26. sounded like a whitewash to me

I'm not bothering to watch it.

[babylonsister]

31. Hey, Lone Ranger. All these opinions

from DU about how good the show was, and you're not bothering? So don't. Think negative thoughts!

[wli]

36. I decided to watch it anyway but I'm not getting surprised. n/t

[orleans]

27. i thought it was very good considering msm

matter of fact, i was amazed that it was as good as it was

i think every republican bushie backing, war stomper needs to see this show.

i started tearing up several times

my tape machine is broken--does cnn sell dvds of their shows? it is something i would like to add to my collection of why this gop sucks so much!

[KoKo]

28. Sounds like from other DU'ers it's woth a watch later or overnight tape...

Might be a "first view" for most Americans..won't satisfy us DU'ers who know the WHOLE SCOOP...but to see what the Average American's first Wake Up Call reaction to this...if one can put themselves in their shoes with RW Media 24/7...then maybe this is REALLY GOOD...

Worth a tape to watch later...at any rate. :shrug:

[texanshatingbush]

29. WTF, no mention of Joe Wilson's trip

to Nigers to check out on the yellow cake Uranium allegations. CNN played it safe, never directly calling the administration lier's but showing video after video of Bush&co contradicting established facts. Not really news for most folks on this board. The centrist viewers who haven't been following this will find this enlightening. This is wasted on the freepers of course, they seem intellectually incapable of comprehending and processing data that doesn't agree with their mindset.

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

30. It had the feel of a documentary that could have been about

a time much more distant in the past. Which is a compliment.

Now how do we get them to do a similar documentary about the 2 very dubious elections of 2000 and 2004?

They need a technically oriented person who can grasp some of the finer points of computer software etc and talk to experts in computer science etc.

[kentuck]

32. Did you see the camera shots of Tenet's face ?

He was meant to be the fallguy in this report, in my humble opinion. Even though McLaughlin said he did not think that Tenet meant "slam dunk" the way it has been reported. Whitewash? Maybe not. Clean reporting? No way.

[babylonsister]

33. Tenet was absolutely the fall guy. Now he's a medal winner

and perhaps will never write a book/tell the truth. I dunno; he was very much involved in deceiving us, so there will be no forgiveness from me regarding Tenet unless he truly fesses up.

[kentuck]

34. But maybe....

the intent was to deceive? Maybe the camera shots were intentional? Maybe they want viewers to think Tenet was the source of the "bad intelligence"? Got to blame it somebody... McLaughlin, who is now working for CNN, said Tenet did not mean "slam dunk" as has been portrayed in the media.....then they show the guy that hunted for the WMDs and he's talking all about the "slam dunk"??? I'm not sure how to read this?

[babylonsister]

35. No, this program is straight forward.

Tenet was definitely involved in spinning the words, up to his damn eyeballs. When the admin knew which way the wind was blowing, i.e., their excuses were being exposed, they tried again to make the CIA culpable. Tenet tearfully resigned and got a medal. But he was involved in twisting the info to suit this admin, and CNN spelled it out perfectly.

[kentuck]

37. What about when Colin Powell said...?

What if they march through the entire country and they don't find anything ??? He is no innocent in the matter.

[babylonsister]

39. IMHO, Powell is the man who risked his integrity,

knew that might happen, but went along with it. In fact, I honestly believed for awhile what this admin said because of Powell, because I thought he was a stand-up, honest man. He has lost the most and he knows it with the statement you wrote. He should have lightened his soul by coming clean, but it's not too late.

[kentuck]

41. Powell was the last sell on the invasion...

Powell had so much credibility that almost everyone was inclined to believe him. When he made his presentation, Bush and Cheney were probably high-fiving...

[babylonsister]

44. True, and that image sickens me. They're

not high-fiving anymore, despite what they might say. They know this is a disaster, but have no clue how to extricate us. I am so sickened by this; pride goes before a fall, and it's going to be a big one, for all of us.

[Mr Rabble]

38. Remember, Tenet ran a bank that figures in 9/11 funding/money.

He was head of B. Alex bank or something along those lines. They are totally mixed up in 9/11 funding issues. To ignore those ties is virtually criminal.

[babylonsister]

40. He was head of the CIA during the Clinton-Shrub

years and also ran a bank? :shrug: Please enlighten me!

[CANDO]

42. Definitely worth a watch.

I am also taping it for future opportunities to hand to relatives/friends who may be willing to open their minds. Think about it, all these people willing to speak on camera, and therefore on the record will most assuredly have a heavy impact on the middle of the road crowd. There must be a dozen figures such as David Kay, Rand Beers, and so on speaking very negatively regarding the Bush decision to go to war over the dubious at best evidence. People will talk about this at the water cooler.

[Stinky The Clown]

45. Just watched it. Un-fucking-believable!

Not the facts ... we all knew them. But that simple fact that CNN showed this.

What?

Why?

How?

Who?

I can't make out why CNN would run such a thing. This nails idiot son and the whole sham of the war.

[babylonsister]

46. Remarkable, isn't it?

:evilgrin: < - - consider this a big grin because the truth just might make people think. Hallelujah!

[magnolia]

49. This program was:

INTRODUCTION: BUSH LIED 101

No question about it! They made it very clear that although intelligence was faulty, the administration deliberately picked through it to find whatever they could that would support the war, which was a big, fat NOTHING! The phrases "weak intelligence", "not enough to prove MWD", "fixed intelligence", etc...were repeated throughout. My favorite was showing Cheney repeating lies with such conviction even AFTER CIA had not confirmed the "so-called" facts. And when they...Cheney, Condi, Rums...repeated the mushroom cloud phrase to scare us. Dick Durbin, Larry Johnson, others...were great!

The mainstream, especially the right, can't handle the truth, so it has to be feed to them by spoonfuls. So many people saw "Fahrenheit 11". But it was too much for many to take in all at once, so they questioned and criticized Michael Moore instead.

For those who haven't seen it...do yourself a favor and read the transcript. (If there is one.)