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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 08:55 PM
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Is It ** Stalin** Yet??? (In honor of Sec. Rumsfeld's statement today!)
In a press conference yesterday, the cornered rat Donald Rumsfeld (chief architect of the Failed Iraqi Occupation),
lashed out at his critics, nonsensically comparing them to Stalinists.

"Rumsfeld made it clear that he has no respect for people who question his policies or progress in Iraq. He noted that "throughout history there have always been those who predict America's failure just around every corner. At the height of World War II ... many Western intellectuals praised Stalin ... for a time, Communism was very much in vogue." ... Apparently, our most important commitment is a reflexive acceptance of Rumsfeld's policies."

http://www.defense.gov/transcripts/2005/tr20050823-secdef3741.html


Rumsfeld is very confused and vomiting up anything that crosses his (very warped sociopathic) mind. His own comments remind one of Stalin's Russia much more than those of critics of his Failed War.
In a Totalitarian State (like Stalin's Russia), criticism of the administration is not tolerated. Rumsfeld's statement,
"...he (Rummy) has no respect for people who question his policies.." is more representative of Stalin than any public criticism directed at the conduct of their little WAR.

In a Democracy, criticism and oversight of the Government by the public is enshrined in our Constitution!

The following list has been compiled over the last few months, and has had some recent additions.
I'm going to mail Rumsfeld a copy tonight to refresh his memory about Totalitarian One Party States, and the value of criticism and public oversight! Since I'm mailing Rummy a copy, I thought I would post it here as a reminder to us all!


The Republicans have been In Charge of America for 5 years.
Are we beginning to look like Stalin's Soviet Union?


*Demanding Party Loyalty above National Security (Plame Outing and Coverup)

*Military “PURGED” of commanders loyal to the Country and not the Party

*Whitewashes and Cover Ups masquerading as Governmental Investigations

*Secret Prisons where people are "disappeared"

*Dismantling of Individual Protections from Government

*Torture as a National Policy

*Police State Powers Increasing

*One Party Government (No Effective Opposition Party)

*Absurd (OBSCENE) and expanding Military Budgets

*Dismantling of Humanitarian Programs to pay for Military

*Restricting access to information about government

*Restricting access to information contradicting Republican Party ideals (birth control).

*Rewriting (forging) scientific data to support Republican Party ideals

*State Owned Media

*Persecution of Dissent

*HyperNationalism masquerading as Patriotism

*Emerging SMALL Class of POWERFUL ELITES

*Bogus and unverifiable elections

*Private Police and Security Forces not accountable to the Public.

*Republican Party Secret Police to screen at Bush* appearances

*NO Civilian Control and Oversight of Military

*Highest percentage imprisoned in Western World

*Potemkin Villages for the Press and Red Cross (Iraq and Guantanamo)

*Rampant Historical Revisionism

*Privileges and Access for Republican Party Members Only

*Ruling by Executive Order

*Judiciary controlled by Executive Branch

*Legislative Organs controlled by Executive Branch

*Power Consolidated and Concentrated in One Person

*Government Officials WARNING to be careful what we say

*Controlled and Scripted PUBLIC appearances of Republican Party Officials

*Government encouraging citizens to spy on each other

*Secret files on law abiding citizens

*Manufactured phony State Heroes (Tillman, Lynch)

*State Medals awarded by Cronyism and Republican Party Loyalty, not merit

*Governmental business cloaked I secrecy.

*Government “contracts” awarded in secret to Party Members and Cronies

*Odor of Arrogance and Contempt from Republican Party Officials




I am NOT EQUATING the USA today with Stalinist Russia or other One Party Toltarian States.
I AM saying we are moving in that direction.


Feel free to add to the list or dispute my claims.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 08:59 PM
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1. Parent thread
Edited on Wed Aug-24-05 09:15 PM by paineinthearse
Quite a bit of discussion and venting going on in the parent thread -http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1724537&mesg_id=1724537 - check it out.

Thanks for breaking this out, it is a brilliant work-in-progress!

Nominated!
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Metta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 09:00 PM
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2. Nice consolidated list of how the light turns into darkness.
Plus, my favorite Mussolini quote: "Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." Benito Mussolini
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 09:09 PM
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3. Bushler is sort of like a blend between Stalin and Hitler
He'll doubtless impose the worst of both regimes upon us.
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onager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 09:20 PM
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4. Pfft! And he's even re-writing history just like You-Know-Who...
"At the height of World War II ... many Western intellectuals praised Stalin ... for a time, Communism was very much in vogue."

Yes, dumbass, "Western intellectuals" like the hard-line anti-Communist Winston Churchill for one. And Franklin Roosevelt. And a bunch of other people, since Stalin was fighting on our side in World War II, you frigging idiot.

It's doubtful we would have ever invaded North Africa, let alone France, if Hitler hadn't tied down three huge army groups by invading Russia.

Dumsfeld is trying to pull a common cheap trick of the right: conflating two different eras and hoping the American people are too stupid to catch him. Of course, he's probably right.

You could plausibly argue that Communism was "in vogue" during the Thirties and the Great Depression...when Minnesota and California had Socialist governors and people were desperate enough to try almost anything.

Jebus, back in those days, I believe that even Ronald Reagan attended a couple of Communist Party meetings.

But the American Communist Party took a major hit in August 1939, when Stalin signed his infamous non-aggression pact with Hitler. (And agreed to divide Poland with Hitler.)

At that time, many of those "Western intellectuals"--whoever they were--turned their backs on Communism.

Didn't do them any good after WWII, when Rummy's spiritual ancestors in HUAC started sniffing around for former Communists.

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cssmall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 09:27 PM
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5. No, it is not Stalin.
It is Hilter. Stalin did not do what he did under the guise of religion, he did not do what he did in a democracy. This is 1930s Germany and I don't care if anyone wants to hear it or not.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 09:58 PM
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6. Rumsfailed should be in prison...
doing hard labor for at least 20 years or until he dies.




Rumsfailed Admitted to Violating Geneva Convention

Rumsfailed admitted in public on TV that when CIA Director Tenet requested that an Iraqi prisoner be sent to a secret Afghan/US Prison that Rumsfailed did so. After four months a DOD Attorney stated that this was an illegal act. Rumsfailed then ordered that this prisoner be sent back to Abu Graihib but the prisoner was purposefully not listed at that location, also an illegal act. Rumsfeld also admitted to signing orders for tougher interogation methods which violated the Geneva Conventions.

Rumfailed has commited at least three violations of the Geneva Convention thereby also violations of The Constitution of the USA. Recently it has been found out that even more detainees were "ghost detainees". The fact that Rumsfailed and Tenet have not been charged speaks volumes. If Congress wishes to garner any respect they should move forward with Rep. Rangle's Impeachment Declaration of Rumsfailed and also proscecute Ex. CIA Tenet.


The US, Govt., Congress, and the Justice Dept no longer abide by the Geneva Convention or the Constitution of the USA.
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