Did you like Kerry more or less before the 2004 campaign?

[jpgray]

[Misunderestimator]

1. Well, since I got to see more of him during the campaign...

I would have to say that I liked him more after it than before it, so in a glass-is-half-empty way of saying it... I liked him less before the 2004 campaign (only because I didn't know him as well). :shrug:

[jpgray]

3. That's more or less the way I was

I had a vaguely positive view of the guy based on what I knew of his history before late 2002/early 2003. I have a more informed -generally- positive view of him now, so I would fit under "less" too I suppose. But I know far more things I disagree with him on now than I did before.

[nickshepDEM]

2. About the same I guess.

[TayTay]

4. I just like him

Where does that one go?

[JanusAscending]

14. Hi TAY TAY!

My sentiments exactly. This was a tricky poll!!?:hug:

[Totally Committed]

5. I have EXACTLY the same opinion of him now

as I did before the election. :evilgrin:

[jpgray]

6. Did you know a lot about him before the primaries?

I have to confess that prior to late 2002 I just had some vague knowledge of his wealth, his antiwar activism, his Vietnam service, and that he was generally considered to be liberal.

[Totally Committed]

41. Yes, he's my Senator.

I have "known" him since the 70's.

[longship]

7. No cojones.

n/t

[rfranklin]

8. Didn't care much about Kerry one way or the other, before or after...

but I would have liked him a lot better if he had called Bush a rotten, skulking coward who isn't fit to kiss the boots of a decorated veteran.

Seriously, he was way too polite. He just didn't want the job.

[greatauntoftriplets]

11. Well put....

He needed to fight dirtier....considering that craphead would use everything and anything.

I wasn't a fan to begin with, but his oh-so-tepid response to the Swift Boat Liars thing showed a lack of fire in his gut for winning that election.

[DemNoir]

9. He had his chance

Thanks and goodbye, don't call us we'll call you.

[LittleClarkie]

21. Where is that in the original question

So, more before or less before or you didn't like him either way?

[blm]

31. Did you call him to expose IranContra? BCCI? CIA drugrunning?

Did you call him to help end three wars?

Did you call him to advocate for gays to serve openly in the military? For ex-felons to get their vioting rights back? For public financing of campaigns?

Did you call him to write the book that alerted this nation to terrorism and its funding?

Why on earth should he WAIT for you to call?

I think he makes pretty damn good decisions on his own 98% of the time. And probably contributed more positively to this nation and its historic record over the last 35 years than most lawmakers you would care to name.

[wisteria]

32. Well, I think your in the minority on that thought! Good thing too!

I don't want to see him go away. We don't get enough of him, we need to see him more!

[Nothing Without Hope]

104. Agreed. I hope he stays away from the 2008 race. n/t

[JanusAscending]

10. Just for the record,

OOPS I GOOFED!! I misread the question! My bad:blush: Can I change my vote? I voted more, and I want to take it back!! I liked him when he was a Vet speaking out against an awful war, I liked him as my Sen. when I lived in MA. I loved him as the candidate who "whooped" bushes ass in the debates,I respected him when he refused to stoop to the Rep. level of politics (in hindsite now I wish he had fought back harder and dirtier) I still love him as he is keeping his promises to "have our back" I've watched him on CSPAN as he worked the Senate floor, and I still trust him, and expect him to be our candidate in 2008!! I want to change my vote!!! :hi:

[Mass]

12. Let's just say that my contrarian mind makes me like him more for each

bashing in this thread.

I guess if I stay on DU, I may explode.

[LittleClarkie]

13. This little former sheeple didn't eve know who he was

I found out after he became our nominee.

[marbuc]

15. I liked him much more

His campaign let me down, I really thought he had the strength and charisma to get it done. Instead he went into DLCesque accommodation mode.

[Nothing Without Hope]

105. I agree. And that includes AFTER the "election."

I know I'm risking all sorts of incoming flames, but that's the way I feel. He's been my senator for a long time, but I liked him a lot better before the 2004 campaign and its aftermath.

[eallen]

16. Kennedy and Kerry should step down at the end of their terms.

The Democratic Part is in serious need of putting some of its old stallions out to pasture, and bringing in some new blood. These two in particular just don't grok what the new -- or even current -- political landscape requires. Let Massachussets elect two new Democratic senators. It would be good for the party. It would be good for the nation. And truth be told, it even would be good for them.

[Mass]

17. What is your problem with Massachusetts?

[eallen]

22. Nothing. I have complete faith that they would elect two, new liberals.

[Mass]

23. Just a question, are you from MA?

[karynnj]

66. Before we replace productive good Senators, can we work on bad ones

Even if the new ones were as smart and dedicated as Kerry and Kennedy, they would have no senority. Most of the newer Democrats are less liberal, so the balance of power would shift more to the moderates. Kennedy in particular is extremely powerful and if he opts to stay in the Senate, Kerry, per Kennedy, is well positioned too.

[Totally Committed]

126. No offense, but...

"new blood" is the most bizarre reason I have ever heard to kick Ted Kennedy out of office!

He is a good, productive Senator, and has (most days) a working backbone and a willingness to eat his weight in Republican face. I admire and respect him.

Nope, Kennedy stays.

[LittleClarkie]

19. On the contrary, Kennedy in particular is one of our sanest voices

And Kerry is as smart as they come. We need their experience badly.

Not to mention that I'm sure more than a few Massholes would wildly disagree with you.

[TayTay]

25. And what about the folks from MA who like them both

I'm from MA and I think they are both doing great work.

Who are you to tell me, as a Massachusetts voter what to do? I think that Kerry and Kennedy are two of the most effective voices in the Senate today. I will vote for Kennedy next year, and I will give him both money and some of my time. Same thing for Kerry, no matter what he runs for.

Bite me! Do you regularly go around telling people from other states that some of their most effective spokesmen should quit? That's some policy for making the Democratic Party stronger: get rid of the people with the best records. I can't think of a dumber thing to advocate.

[LittleClarkie]

35. You GO girl!

Nobody better lay a finger on my Feingold either.

[wisteria]

28. Sorry, don't agree. I am not even from Mass and I would

work to see that both were reelected. I'll take wise Liberals over inexperienced explosive new blood any day.

[Totally Committed]

44. Ted Kennedy is going nowhere! He stays as long as he wants.

Massachusetts needs Ted Kennedy.

[Hippo_Tron]

64. Ted Kennedy kept Bork from getting on the SCOTUS

As well as many other things in his career. He's one of the greatest and most liberal fighters that we have in the Senate. Why should we get rid of him?

[LittleClarkie]

67. Apparently he's over 30

His light is blinking, and he needs to get on that damn carousel and renew, damn it, renew!

[kerrygoddess]

97. ROFLMAO!

:eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

[wli]

18. I was miffed that he rolled over about election fraud n/t

[European Socialist]

26. Me too

[blm]

34. He's still in 3 lawsuits in Ohio right now. He had no evidence IN HAND to

contest fraud last Nov.

Do you seriously believe a man of his record of exposing government corruption wouldn't contest if he could score the evidence needed?

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

38. He Was A Wimp

He was a Wimp during the campaign, and a Wimp when the chips were down after the Repubs Stole the election from him. The stakes were too high, and he spouted off about how he would "Fight For Us." BULLS**T!! He couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag.

All these politicians are losers. I've yet to see more than a couple who had any courage. And Kerry certainly wasn't one of them. I have so little respect for the guy, that he would never get my vote again.

[Mass]

39. Orange County - This explains a lot.

[blm]

40. He's won a helluva lot more and tougher battles than you have and you dare

call him a wimp.

Pathetic.

He's effected this nation's history more positively in the last 35 years than any other lawmaker.

And YOU call him a wimp.

Hell, you must not like ANY of them, if you dislike the one who exposed more government corruption than any other lawmaker in modern history.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

48. Look At The Facts

Either he won the election, and rolled over and played dead. Or he lost it because he was a wimp, and could not beat an incumbent with the LOWEST approval rating of any re-elected president.

Could you imagine Reagan losing to Carter in '80? Or Clinton to Shrub Sr. in '92? Of course not. Because Carter & Shrub were easy targets, and completely beatable. As was Shrub Jr., except Kerry obviously was too pathetic to beat even him.

Of course, if you take the view that he did actually win, then he still comes out looking like a coward. In my book, if he did win, and had all that time and $$$$$$$$$$ of his supporters invested, he should have stood up and said what was on his mind. Instead he just conceded.

He may have done many things, and I hope he continues to have many accomplishments. But he is not the person I want to award the presidency to. He should have won in '04, but he didn't, and now it's time to try another. Ask Mondale or Gore whether they ran again. Of course they didn't.

[blm]

52. You don't even KNOW Kerry or his record. Bush controlled voting machines

and media. He needed to have media covering up for him OVERTIME and the machines rigged to squeak out a perceived win against Kerry.

If Kerry had been as bad as YOU describe then he wouldn't have decisively won all 3 debates, had most of broadcast media working against him and Bush wouldn't have had to rig machines to skew the vote.

You really think the voting public increased by 24 million people in 4 years? Or that Bush kept all his voters PLUS 18% of Gore's voters?

You think those machines in Ohio weren't erased as soon as they sent in the tallies?

You think those GOP judges in Ohio aren't working to keep the election cases from getting heard?

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

54. I Agree He Won

I know he got screwed by the voting machines. I'm just saying, he should have made it his business to expose what happened. Regardless of what it did to his image. He owed it to those who worked so hard to support him, and the stakes were too high.

If 10,000 people die in another supposed attack on this country, while Shrub is on vacation somewhere not reading memos....then will Kerry be able to sleep, knowing that it might have been different had he fought for what was rightfully his?

And further...what's to stop him from rolling over again if he somehow won the election in '08, but was screwed by some unknown development? I'd rather not take the risk a second time.

[blm]

58. And THAT is why they're working to get INTO the machines and examine those

who control the machines.

It's the DNC's responsibility to assure fair elections for ALL Dems on the ticket.

MacAuliffe didn't do that, likely because he believed that BBV was just a conspiracy theory.

Dean will get into the machines and i have no doubt Kerry is helping him every way he can. Including having his brother run for Sec of State in Mass.

Legal access to the machines is EVERYTHING, and Dean and Kerry both know it...now.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

61. How Come Nobody Other Than Us Is Discussing Machines Then? n/t

[karynnj]

81. If you were running and were in Kerry's position

with the same numbers, Republicans in the courts, statehouse, and legislature in Ohio, and controlling the US House and Senate how would you prove it.

I doubt it was his image he was concerned about - it was that he had no viable proof. The Democratic party would likely have not supported him because this action could have destroyed it. Kerry spent two years of his life fighting for the Presidency, he didn't give it up lightly. (It had to be excruciatingly painful to have had all the positive reports on election day and then lose.

What amazes me is that within days he was back fighting for Democratic issues. Blame Bush and the Republicans for their errors in governance and for cheating. Kerry's campaign was not perfect, but it was much better than revisionist insist - which is a danger as they need to look at it realistically. If the media followed the increasingly large open air rallies in October that grew in excitement and size, often breaking records (as they did in the last weeks of the Clinton 1992 election), Kerry would likely have won in a landslide.

[TankLV]

72. If kerry was as good as you fantasize, bunkerboy wouldn't have been

anywhere close to winning.

As it was - against the worst candidate he LOST (or brought it close enough to steal, depending on your blankie of choice).

No - he couldn't win against the most corrupt, criminal candidate, awful record that anybody has faced in a long time.

In two words: HE SUCKED!

But it's nice of you to berate us when we give our opinions that were asked on the matter - you're manner of erudite argument will win over lots of folks - NOT!

But go ahead and use your "charm" on us again - it's a belly laugh!

[WildEyedLiberal]

83. Bush is unpopular on DU - big fucking deal

There are many people in this country who enthusiastically love him, however. I hate that "Kerry couldn't win against the most unpopular president ever!!1" line, because it's not true. YOUR least favorite president, maybe. But most unpopular? Ha. Bush wasn't polling 36% in 2003-4. He was polling around 55-60% job approval. DU is HARDLY a microcosm of the American voting public. :rofl:

[TankLV]

96. I guess I live in a different reality - I didn't realize bush lost and is

no longer in the White House!

Boy, how did I miss that one?!

Hey - newsflash to ya - BUNKERBOY is STILL in OUR White House!

And unless you have really cool glasses or some good drugs, the FACT IS THIS: KERRY DIDN'T WIN AGAINST THE WORST CANDIDATE EVER!

[blm]

110. Media reported Bush's corruption and criminality? When did that happen?

I only heard a "Very popular president" and "Bush can't be beat on the terror issue" everyday on the broadcast news shows.

And NOONE is going to win when voting machines are switching Dem votes to Bush, and corrupt GOP operatives are reporting higher vote tallies from their precincts all over the country to pad popular vote.

And PS....I don't attempt to charm anybody. I speak it straight, and those who like it straight appreciate it.

It's long past time for the headscratchers to research facts and deal with the events of recent history that brought us to this point. To paint Kerry as the bad guy is ludicrous.

And I notice it's OK with you when Kerry is attacked viciously, unfairly and often out of ignorance of his actual record. Why isn't it OK for those of us with a working knowledge of his record to defend him?

I guess it's charming to attack Kerry and offensive to defend him and his record. In GOP land.

[Mass]

53. Well Gore should have, sorry.

as for the rest, no facts.

No president in time of war has ever been beaten and Bush was far from having the ratings his father and Carter had.

This thread is not about 08, though you found necessary to bring the subject on . We understand you really dislike Kerry, but you cant change the facts. Last November, Bush was still a relatively well-liked president and Kerry did the best number of votes of any Democrat candidate.

[karynnj]

75. Both Bush senior and Carter had much lower approval ratings

I saw the polls and worried because all the other Presidents were below 40 or significantly above 50. As a statistcian, I would say you can not predict what happens in that range as there are no data points there. Bush varied between about 46 and 51 - when you looked at his overall rating - which often was weirdly above all the break down (on Iraq, economy ...).

Kerry got consistently better, but he got no help from the press at all. The gain he got after the first debate was huge and probably was because it was the first time people got to see him unfiltered. I watched the rallies, he genuinely put his heart into running - along with his whole family and the Edwards.

Four years ago, the conventional wisdom was Gore should be able to run again because he really won in 2000, in spite of the fact that he literally disappeared for over a year. Obviously, Kerry should not be "awarded" another try, but he, like everyone else, can try. (The only one anyone is attempting to "award" the nomination to is Hillary.) To get it enough Democrats have to see him as the best candidate. He like Gore either came close or won. He was a much better candidate in October than in May. In a year or two, he may be one of those with a serious chance or he may have opted to just go for his Senate seat.

[karynnj]

Bush I and Carter had nuch lower polls

I saw the polls and worried because all the other Presidents were below 40 or significantly above 50. As a statistcian, I would say you can not predict what happens in that range as there are no data points there. Bush varied between about 46 and 51 - when you looked at his overall rating - which often was weirdly above all the break down (on Iraq, economy ...). They took 50, because it intuituitively made sense and postulated the rule.

Kerry got consistently better, but he got no help from the press at all. The gain he got after the first debate was huge and probably was because it was the first time people got to see him unfiltered. I watched the rallies, he genuinely put his heart into running - along with his whole family and the Edwards.

Four years ago, the conventional wisdom was Gore should be able to run again because he really won in 2000, in spite of the fact that he literally disappeared for over a year. Obviously, Kerry should not be "awarded" another try, but he, like everyone else, can try. (The only one anyone is attempting to "award" the nomination to is Hillary.) To get it enough Democrats have to see him as the best candidate. He like Gore either came close or won. He was a much better candidate in October than in May. In a year or two, he may be one of those with a serious chance or he may have opted to just go for his Senate seat.

[LittleClarkie]

60. Did you have any respect for him before the election

or did you feel about the same?

[wli]

51. Good point. I'll still have preferred something louder. n/t

[blm]

57. Louder isn't always effective. If there was a way that louder works better

on this issue, wouldn't Dean be making sure that he was shouting about it from the largest megaphone?

I really believe that they want to get at those machines and expose their problems before the next election, and THEN they will all be louder.

[applegrove]

20. When GOP vomit is not being spewed at him..he does fine.

[globalvillage]

24. Considering what he's done since

I'd have to say I like him more now than ever.
But I also liked him before.


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04/21/2005 John Kerry on Republican Congressional Leadership's Failure To Focus on Real Priorities of the American People
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04/13/2005 Senator Kerry Takes Military Story to the Senate
04/13/2005 Senate Passes Two John Kerry Amendments for Troops
04/12/2005 John Kerry Fights to Add Troop Benefits to Supplemental
04/11/2005 Statement by John Kerry on John Bolton’s Nomination as U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations
04/07/2005 Kerry: Publicize benefit for vets
04/04/2005 Stem-cell Research is Pro-Life
04/02/2005 Statement from Sen. John Kerry on the Passing of Pope John Paul II
03/30/2005
03/30/2005 Bush's Budget Assaults Our Values, by John Kerry
03/29/2005 Budgeting our values, by John Kerry
03/29/2005 Leading health care, children's and labor organizations support KidsFirst
03/27/2005 Dishonest' Bush budget ignores needs of the nation, by John Kerry
03/26/2005 Budgeting our values, by John Kerry
03/25/2005 Thanks to Dedicated Citizens, Assabet National Wildlife Refuge Opens
03/25/2005 SENATOR KERRY ANNOUNCES $267,986 STUDENT SUPPORT SERVICES GRANT FOR MASSACHUSETTS COLLEGE OF LIBERAL ARTS
03/25/2005 Bush’s latest budget plan is assault on country’s values, by John Kerry
03/24/2005 Leahy, Jeffords, Boxer and Kerry
03/22/2005 John Kerry on EPA Hiding Harvard Scientific Data on Health Effects of Mercury
03/17/2005 John Kerry Statement on Senate Action to Save Medicaid from Drastic Cuts
03/17/2005 John Kerry Says Washington Budget is Out of Touch With American Values
03/17/2005 Statement by John Kerry on Senate Action to Save Medicaid from Drastic Cuts
03/17/2005 Senate Passes Landrieu-Kerry Reserve Fund For Reservists and Small Businesses
03/16/2005 John Kerry will make a major speech on America's budget priorities on Thursday, March 17, to the Center for National Policy
03/16/2005 Statement by John Kerry on Paul Wolfowitz’s Nomination to be President of the World Bank
03/16/2005 LAWMAKERS ANNOUNCE NEW FUNDS FOR YOUTHBUILD PROGRAMS IN MASSACHUSETTS
03/16/2005 Senate Opens Arctic Refuge to Drilling
03/15/2005 Senator John Kerry fights to establish the Upper Housatonic Valley National Heritage Area in Massachusetts and Connecticut
03/15/2005 Senator John Kerry fights to establish the Upper Housatonic Valley National Heritage Area in Massachusetts and Connecticut
03/15/2005 John Kerry on New Mercury Rules:
03/15/2005 Senators John Kerry and Maria Cantwell Team Up to Fight Drilling for Oil in Arctic Refuge
03/14/2005 Kerry, Cantwell Fight Arctic Drilling
03/11/2005 Statement of the National Association of Public Hospitals and Health Systems in Support of the “Kids Come First Act of 2005” (S. 114)
03/11/2005 Statement from Edward J. McElroy, President, American Federation of Teachers, Supporting “Kids First Act of 2005”
03/11/2005 “Kids Come First Act” Addresses Medicaid Challenges Facing Children
03/11/2005 Vote Kids Lends Support to Kids First Bill:
03/11/2005 March of Dimes Supports “Kids Come First Act of 2005”
03/09/2005 John Kerry Announces Half-Million ‘Citizen Cosponsors’ Of KidsFirst Health Care Plan
03/09/2005 John Kerry grassroots press conference
03/09/2005 John Kerry on Bush's Energy Plan: "Americans Deserve Better"
03/08/2005 Kerry Organizes Grassroots Coalition Behind KidsFirst Act, Calls for Senate Action
03/08/2005 John Kerry on President Clinton
03/07/2005 Statement by John Kerry on John Bolton's Nomination to be Ambassador to the United Nations
03/03/2005 Kerry, Bipartisan Coalition Win 11th Hour Push to Save Boston Teacher from Deportation
03/02/2005 A Pioneer in Civil Rights
03/02/2005 Working to Strenthen the American Military
03/02/2005 Jackie Robinson to Receive Congressional Gold Medal
03/02/2005 Jackie Robinson Receives Congressional Gold Medal For His Civil Rights Work
02/28/2005 Our military needs a better ally at home
02/24/2005 John Kerry on U.S.-Russia Nuclear Agreement
02/17/2005 John Kerry Calls for Election Reform
02/16/2005 John Kerry on Climate Change:
02/15/2005 John Kerry: Military Families Must be Part of Supplemental
02/14/2005 John Kerry Says America Must Stand By Our Military
02/11/2005 Senator John Kerry to Discuss Strengthening America's Military at Annual Worcester Telegram & Gazette Visions Ceremony
02/09/2005 John Kerry on Medicare Costs Estimates and the Health Care Crisis in America
02/09/2005 Remarks by Senator John Kerry on Climate Change
02/08/2005 John Kerry to Address Climate Change at The Brookings
02/07/2005 Statement by John Kerry on the President’s Budget
02/03/2005 Statement by John Kerry on the Nomination of Alberto Gonzales for Attorney General
02/03/2005 Statement by John Kerry on Social Security
02/02/2005 Statement by John Kerry on State of the Union Address
01/31/2005 Statement by John Kerry on the President’s Budget
01/27/2005 Remarks by Senator John Kerry on Kids First to Families USA
01/27/2005 John Kerry Rallies Families USA to Fight for "Kids First"
01/27/2005 Senator John Kerry "Kids First"
01/26/2005 John Kerry’s “Kids Come First” Act
01/21/2005 THE ARCTIC NATIONAL WILDLIFE REFUGE
01/19/2005 Senator John Kerry Opposes Nomination Of Dr. Condoleezza Rice for Secretary of State
01/16/2005 Senator John Kerry Statement on Martin Luther King, Jr.
01/16/2005 Statement of Senator John Kerry
01/16/2005 Statement of Senator John Kerry
01/14/2005 STANDING BY OUR TROOPS AND MILITARY FAMILIES
01/06/2005 Statement by Senator Kerry on the Nomination of Alberto Gonzales for Attorney General
01/05/2005 Senator Kerry Statement on the Congressional Certification of Electoral College Results
12/10/2004 John Kerry Calls on Rumsfeld to Investigate Why Troops Lack
12/08/2004 Senator John Kerry’s Statement on Election Reform
12/08/2004 Senator John Kerry’s Statement on Energy Report
12/08/2004 Senator John Kerry’s Statement on Intelligence Reform
12/08/2004 Senator John Kerry’s Statement on Intelligence Reform
11/24/2004 Senator John Kerry’s Statement on Energy Report
11/24/2004 LAWMAKERS ANNOUNCE NEW FUNDS FOR U MASS DARTMOUTH PROGRAMS THAT BENEFIT SOUTHEASTERN MASSACHUSETTS
11/23/2004 LAWMAKERS ANNOUNCE FUNDS FOR NEW BEDFORD
11/23/2004 KERRY, KENNEDY, DELAHUNT SECURE $700,000 FOR PLIMOTH PLANTATION EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS:
11/23/2004 Congressman Capuano, Senators Kennedy and Kerry Secure $5 Million for Somerville Projects
11/23/2004 KENNEDY, KERRY, DELAHUNT SECURE $700,000 FOR PLIMOTH PLANTATION EDUCATIONAL
11/23/2004 KENNEDY, KERRY, DELAHUNT ANNOUNCE $500,000 FOR MARTHA’S VINEYARD HOSPITAL
11/23/2004 MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ANNOUNCE FINAL PHASE OF SNESL IMMIGRATION LAW CLINIC
11/23/2004 KERRY, KENNEDY AND FRANK ANNOUNCE FUNDING TO COMPLETE ROUTE 106 REHABILITATION
11/23/2004 KERRY, KENNEDY, MCGOVERN AND FRANK ANNOUNCE NEW FUNDING FOR FALL RIVER
11/23/2004 Kennedy, Kerry and Capuano Secure Millions for Important Cambridge
11/23/2004 KENNEDY, KERRY & DELAHUNT DELIVER $1 MILLION TO FIGHT CANCER
11/23/2004 KERRY, KENNEDY AND LYNCH ANNOUNCE $1.5 MILLION IN FEDERAL FUNDING FOR BROCKTON PRIORITIES:
11/23/2004 KENNEDY, KERRY, CAPUANO, LYNCH AND MARKEY ANNOUNCE FEDERAL ASSISTANCE FOR THE GREATER BOSTON AREA
11/23/2004 KENNEDY, KERRY, & LYNCH ANNOUNCE $200,000 IN FEDERAL FUNDING TO IMPROVE DRINKING WATER IN BRAINTREE, HOLBROOK AND RANDOLPH
11/22/2004 Kerry Gets Unfair Tariffs Lifted:
11/22/2004 KERRY, KENNEDY AND Markey Secure $9.23 Million for Projects in the 7th District of Massachusetts
11/22/2004 KERRY, KENNEDY AND MCGOVERN ANNOUNCE OVER $3.2 MILLION FOR WORCESTER AREA
11/22/2004 KERRY, KENNEDY AND OLVER ANNOUNCE NEARLY $2.4 MILLION FOR UMA
11/22/2004 KERRY, KENNEDY AND TIERNEY ANNOUNCE $550,000 FOR NORTH SHORE COMMUNITY
11/22/2004 KERRY, KENNEDY, OLVER AND NEAL ANNOUNCE $37 MILLION IN FEDERAL ASSISTANCE FOR WESTERN
11/22/2004 KERRY, KENNEDY AND TIERNEY SECURE $900,000 FOR ESSEX NATIONAL HERITAGE
11/22/2004 Kerry, Kennedy and McGovern ANNOUNCE OVER $4 MILLION FOR ATTLEBORO, FRANKLIN AND SEEKONK
11/22/2004 KERRY, KENNEDY, OLVER AND NEAL ANNOUNCE $750,000 FOR CONNECTICUT RIVER
11/19/2004 Senators Edward M. Kennedy and John F. Kerry Announce Their Opposition to the Proposed LNG Facility for Fall River in a letter to FERC
11/19/2004 Kerry Statement on Increase in Debt Limit
11/17/2004 Kerry Fights to Restore Fiscal Responsibility
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http://kerry.senate.gov/v3/cfm/press-statement.cfm

[wisteria]

27. I hadn't heard about Kerry until November 2003.

Something about him I read in a small article intrigued me. Once the primary wars began, he was my choice. I think the guy is great and should run again!

[LittleClarkie]

29. I didn't start even learning until he was the nominee

I didn't like him based on what others were saying, but was sorta forced by my disgust of Bush to check him out.

Step by step, as I learned more, I fell in love with the guy. I can still picture him as our president. He'd still make a good one.

[wisteria]

62. Agreevintirely. I hold out hope! n/t

[Wabbajack]

30. He won, it was stolen he's not talking about it or doing anything about it

he doesn't "have our back", he's a coward.

So less.

[blm]

36. No. YOU just don't know what he's doing so you attack him UNknowingly.

He's still involved in 3 cases in Ohio at this time.

I have reason to believe that he and Dean are going another route to expose the machines. Dean has been urging smart, savvy people to run for Sec of State positions all over the country, and Cameron Kerry is one of those running in Mass. That tells me that they are seeking the ability to get into the machines and examine how they work and the people who control the programming, and they're doing it with full LEGAL ACCESS.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

43. Too Little Too Late

Perhaps they'll Finally discover something 3 1/2 years from now, after Shrub and the Repubs who stole the election have done even more damage.

I believed the whole...."They're looking at it." "They're involved in many cases" BS for awhile. It's been almost a year now, and nothing has happened, and NOBODY, save perhaps Boxer & Conyers have said a word about what really happened. And NOBODY has really said what really happened, which was that a Major Fraud was committed on the people of this country.

But then again, it's just one of many that have happened since 2000. They'll probably keep getting away with it for another few years, until it's too late to fix the long term and permanent damage.

[Name removed]

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[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

47. What Facts?

[blm]

50. The fact that they are getting access to the machines from the strongest

position to get INTO the machines. I think that's a good plan.

You would prefer that noone did ANYTHING? Who else is working to get into the machines?

You think BushInc didn't have the Ohio machines' data erased within minutes? Why the heck do you think they had their judges dragging their feet on these cases for so long?

[orleans]

59. link please

"the fact that they are getting access to the machines from the strongest position to get INTO the machines"

is this fact? (link please) or assumption?

[blm]

112. The Sec of State positions gives them access to the machines. If you've

been following DNC strategy, you'd know that Dean has been focusing on Sec of State races all over the country.

Cameron Kerry is looking to run for Sec of State in Mass., and Dean is tapping other smart, savvy, candidates.

You want me to assume their intentions are NOT to gain access to the machines and their operators? I think Dean and Kerry are smarter than that.

[Wabbajack]

135. He should have been leading protest marches to the white house

on Nov 3 instead of CONCEDING DEFEAT.

[jonnyblitz]

33. i liked the 1971 John Kerry, nt

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

37. DON'T RUN AGAIN

I won't vote for you in the primary. And I'd probably vote for an independent if you actually managed to somehow win the nomination....which you wouldn't.

I know he will run again. It is a certainty in my mind. And he has only 1 reason for doing so. Raising and STEALING more contribution $$$$$$, and trying to get himself into the public eye again.

You're a loser Kerry, so now go away and continue being Senator of MA. Do a good job there, but don't embarass us again by running for President.

[blm]

42. You don't know much about history do you?

.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

46. What History?

Gore lost in 2000, and chose not to run in 2004. Would he have won the nomination? Who knows. But I'm guessing No.

Kerry had how much money to spend in the campaign last year? Probably the second most in history. He couldn't convince people to elect him in 2004, and he was running against a total loser. What would possibly make him think that he could do it 4 years later.

I promise you that after the debacle that was the Kerry campaign in 2004, he would not get a single donation from me in '08 if he ran. And I did contribute a few hundred dollars to his campaign last year, which was money wasted, and I rarely waste money on the same thing more than once.

[blm]

55. Your attacks and your loathing are being directed against the one man

who has effected this nation's governance more positively over the last 35 years than any other lawmaker.

Bush NEEDED all the help he could get from the media and the voting machines because Kerry was so strong.

If Kerry ran the way YOU claim, then, Bush wouldn't have had to have both his media and machines rigged now, would he?

[Mz Pip]

49. Didn't know that much about him

since I live across the country he wasn't up on my radar much.

I have one memory of the primaries that is interesting. I was invited to a CA Kerry primary party the night of Super Tuesday. Lots of big Kerry supporters. Everyone was really nice and welcoming of those who weren't Kerry supporters during the primaries. It was obvious at this time that Kerry was the nominee. The Kerry supporters were all cheering and gleeful.

I listened to his speech and just felt sort of ill. I wanted to be wrong. I really did. I picked up a bumper sticker for my car as I left the party and slapped it on my car. But I sort of felt like all the air had been let out of my tires.

Here I was, a committed Dem. Determined to beat Bush. Hell of determined. And all I felt was a sinking feeling. I thought that if I, who is politically plugged in and an avowed Bush hater felt like this, what would that mean for people who were politically apathetic.

I do not want him to run again. Except for Senator in MA.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[Guaranteed]

56. I like Kerry a lot more now than I did during the primaries.

I think he's come a long way. I have a lot of respect for him.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

63. I always kind of liked him,

though I supported someone else during the primaries. After I got over my disappointment over the primary results I decided I'd get behind Kerry, got to liking him pretty well...

Until the morning after the election, when he conceded immediately, and then pretty much disappeared from sight.

After that, well, I sort of gave up on him. It seemed like he just gave up and didn't care about all the election irregularities and all the people like us who tried so damn hard to get him elected. He just walked away. I know he's done some good things and he's a decent senator, but he's got a lotta 'splainin' to do. I don't want him to run again. I don't trust him to stand up for us any more.

[yojon]

65. I liked and respected him until the day after the election

when he mysteriously caved to an obviously stolen election. What kind of shit was that? As Mark Crispin Miller said, " sank below contempt" when he conceded without a fight.

I sure couldnt understand it. He didnt seem like someone who gives up easily. Even if his lawyers told him that contesting the election would be unsuccessful, he could have staged some sort of effort. Personally, I think he would have won if he tried.

[LittleClarkie]

68. Define some sort of effort

Was what he did do not enough to register on the "some sort of effort" scale?

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

73. Any Effort

He didn't say a word. Just some garbage about having our backs. He had a load of $$$$$$$$ stashed away for putting up a fight, and all that money ended up going to the Democratic Party I think. He just conceded and never mentioned any fraud whatsoever.

I'm glad there's still support for him. There always will be. I'm not saying he wouldn't get votes if he ran.....just that he has a snowball's chance of getting enough to win in '08, and he would just be doing it for ego or additional campaign funds, not because he realistically thought he had a chance.

Of course, if he knew he won in '04, he might be naive enough to think he could repeat it in '08. Guess again Kerry. There are enough people ticked off at his performance last time, to not even want to bother watching him repeat it in '08. Thanks but no thanks. John Kerry, NOT reporting for duty.

[LittleClarkie]

76. What about the lawsuits in Ohio?

One that he may/may not be dropping out of re: the fraud, and two more re: suppression that are going forward.

I don't hold it against him that there wasn't enough hard evidence. But that's me.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

79. If We Suspect As Much...

If we have enough evidence amongst bloggers on the internet that something was not on the up and up, then clearly he has even more information. Yet he has NEVER said a single word about it. Seems to me that a person fights his whole life to reach the pinnacle of success...becoming President, and then he wins, yet it gets taken from him.....they would want to fight to save what is rightfully theirs.

The mere fact that he didn't fight when it mattered most, shows me I don't have confidence he would do it if faced with a similar problem in '08.

At this point I'm clouded by what happened in '04, and I admittedly am in need of someone strong enough to stand up and fight. Unfortunately, even besides Kerry, I've yet to see that from any Democrat....save perhaps Boxer, Conyers, Hackett or Dean.

[yojon]

84. You might want to ask John Conyers if there was enough

'hard evidence' ... I believe he thinks there was.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

85. He Just Doesn't Know Though

And he does not have as much at stake as Kerry did. JK was the one who won the election, not Conyers. Just proves that if Conyers thinks Kerry had a fraud perpetrated, then what does Kerry think?

[frankly_fedup2]

69. Didn't really know who he was and never DREAMED he would be

the one representing the Democratic Party. He is working hard to achieve that goal in 2008; however, I don't think he will get it. At least this time he is proving that he is working for what is best for this country.

One thing that bothers me though is the fact that throughout his campaign, he claimed he had a plan to take care of the Iraqi quagmire, but he never told anyone what that was. Which is more important, telling those in power the plan to see if it would help, or hangon to your plan until you can run for prez again. Heck, he may have already told them and they could have just ignored or disagreed with him, who knows. We will never know the truth.

[TankLV]

70. Less. A lot less. Don't like wafflers and wimps.

The man has no soul - he's a "stick a finger in the air" politician - the worst kind.

I will never make that mistake on him again.

I can honestly say I wasted my time in the voting booth last time around.

[LittleClarkie]

71. Shoulda voted for Bush instead?

?

I, of course, see him differently, and wildly disagree. But hey, that's democracy for ya.

[Name removed]

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[LittleClarkie]

78. Sheeet, that's low on the "berate-o-meter"

try being a Kerry supporter around here some time.

Hmm. Kerrybot. I don't think I've been called that yet. Let's see. Sychophant, apologist... nope, not Kerrybot. I'll add it to the list. Thanks.

[TankLV]

80. Why should I support somebody who does't support the same things I do?

Sorry, I'm tired of doing all the compromising.

I supported him last time around, thankyouverymuch But evidentally that isn't good enough for you kerrybots - there are a lot of other good choices out there - they just haven't made their appearances yet.

Sorry, but I got fooled once.

So far, all you kerry guys have done is berrate anybody who is madly in love with your losing candidate. This is a free country. I don't think he is the best choice we could have. He was at best a COMPROMISE candidate for many of us.

It will just take a lot more this time around - especially since we wer allowed to take a test drive last time around. Didn't especially like the ride.

[LittleClarkie]

82. Actually, it's Kerry-krishna but thanks for playing

I don't give a flying fuck on a stick who you support. Criticize him upsidedown and sideways if you like. But I shall rebut if you bash. I will also rebut if you bash Clark and Dean and anyone else who doesn't deserve it.

But that's just me.

[TankLV]

94. Fine. Do what you want - but you won't be changing m!y mind!

Your way or the highway doesn't quite work for me.

But thanks for playin.

[LittleClarkie]

95. Where are you reading that in my words?

I do believe I said just the opposite. I. don't. care. who. you support. I'm not trying to change your mind. Just being who I am, which is a Kerry supporter. If that produces a kneejerk reaction in some people, so be it.

Nevertheless, saying that you wasted your time at the polls this last year when many of us were working our hinders off to win just struck me wrong. Sorry for the snark. Not that I thought you would have voted for Bush. But damn it, I worked too hard, freezing my butt off etc, to have someone say they might as well have stayed home that day.

Hopefully, that kind of an attitude won't end up giving us someone just as bad as Bush next time. George Allen, maybe? How about Jeb? I'll vote for freakin' Hillary if I have to. Not happy about it, but damn it the Dem Party is all we have.

[TankLV]

102. Yeah - look where all kerry's "hard" (surfing anybody?) work got us!

We compromised and played "nice" and LOST - BIG TIME!

Thanks, but you are digging your own grave.

A definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

You need to convince the rest of us why we should vote FOR kerry.

But you already said you don't care.

Thanks. I'll look elsewhere for someone who WANTS and WORKS for my vote!

You made your point quite clear - You don't care.

And you know what - I don't care about Kerry either!

You can't convice loyal dems to vote for your candidate, how the hell do you think you're going to convince anybody else?

[LittleClarkie]

106. I don't need to do shit

for someone who's just going to repeat rightwing talking points. Surfing my fucking ass. I don't have time for you if you didn't take the time to find out anything about our former candidate.

You know what. You're not even having a conversation with me. You're having a conversation with whatever you think I am because I'm a Kerry supporter. You're responding to things I never said. Go ahead and shadowbox with that image if you like.

That's what I don't care about anymore. Fighting an uphill battle with people who can't be bothered to look past what they THINK they know to find out the reality of the situation.

[CityDem]

77. Kerry is spineless bastard

He played it too safe in 2004 because he was cocky. Now we are stuck with AWOL for 4 more years and the piss ant will likely appoint 3 more supreme court justices.

[fedupinBushcountry]

86. Your quoted statement

makes me want to stand with him even more. Keep on throwing the stones.

[Celeborn Skywalker]

87. Bullshit.

Kerry's done more in these past 10 months than nearly every other Senator.

[LittleClarkie]

88. But since it's Kerry, many folks don't seem to notice

He's said some things and if it were ANYONE else talking, we'd be collapsing at their feet.

But no. It's Kerry. Fuck him.

Sometimes I just want to say "Okay, substitute the name of someone you LIKE. NOW do you think it's a good statement?!"

Criminy.

[CityDem]

98. Kerry hasn't done ass

Bush was extremely vulnerable in 2004 -- the economy sucked and the war in Iraq was becoming unpopular. Kerry had a good convention and decided to play it safe. The swift boat whores pummeled him for a month and Kerry played it safe by not responding forcefully. Kerry would have been elected president if he had a set of balls. And if his advisor's prevented him from making strong statements -- they held him back -- then he truly is a puss. We do not need another president like AWOL who is controlled by his political advisors.

[Celeborn Skywalker]

99. But that was ten months ago.

Why can't you judge him based on his Senate work since then? I understand you don't want him as your next presidential candidate and that's fine. But I think people should give credit where credit's due.

[LittleClarkie]

101. Indeed, why does this always turn into a 2008 debate

Can we just live in the moment once in a while and applaud positive action, even when it comes from someone we wouldn't support for president in a million years. For me that would be Hillary. If she does something good, I'll say so, without I might add saying a mumbling word about whether or not I want her for president, esp. if the thread isn't about that.

[LittleClarkie]

100. I saw something different

Because of 9/11, Bush had a shield he could eternally hide behind. NOW Kerry would have a chance. Just a few months ago, not so much. The war wasn't that unpopular with your Average Joe yet. Only just recently have I felt the tide turning.

[Dr Fate]

90. Geeze- I'm not his hugest fan on DU either- but come on...

I dont think he is a spineless bastard- but I agree that he did not handle the campaign well.

[Nothing Without Hope]

107. I think it's a mistake to call Kerry abusive names here. Just makes both

sides - those who remain devoted to him and those who are disappointed with him - angrier.

Here's my own position. As a long-time MA Dem, I've watched him for years. I had a so-so opinion of him (compared to other Congressional Dems) before the election. I was very disappointed with what I saw as a weak presidential campaign based primarily on long-past history and slogans. (He did well in the debates, but this was largely suppressed by the GOP-controlled Poodle Press.) I was bitterly disappointed with him after the "election." I'm not going to call him names, I just hope he doesn't get very far in the 2008 primaries. He probably isn't a "bad" man, and he has done some good things, but I do not trust him to do what needs to be done as President.

When he comes up for re-election here, I'll examine other potential Dem Senatorial candidates (if any) very carefully in the hopes that there is one that has true fire, perception, and depth. If there is not, I'll vote for Kerry again as Senator, but not with enthusiasm. He's bound to be better than the Republican candidate, but that's not saying much.

[Dr Fate]

89. More. Kerry is mostly a good, hard-working honest guy.

He is not being shrewd enough for National politics though.

[LittleClarkie]

91. I think he'd make a good prez if he didn't have to fight that battle

You may be right. He might be too straightforward for national politics.

[Dr Fate]

92. I always get the feeling his advisors wont let him "be Kerry."

I'm always feeling he is holding back, rather than being too straight forward and blunt- like a prosecutor, navy man, war protestor would be-- or probably how he really acts behind the scenes.

I'm looking at Clark, Al Gore or Kerry for '08- they are the only contenders at this point...

[LittleClarkie]

93. Ah, I was reading shrewd as something else

Like he's better at Massachusetts politics.

Well, according to one report, around the time of the Swift boats, Kerry was about to go ballistic during a speech in front of, I think, the VFW, but the call went out from Cahill and Shrum to the aides "Restrain the candidate!!"

No, DON'T restrain the candidate. He's more fun when he's pissed.

[Nothing Without Hope]

108. I never bought the "his advisors are holding him back" argument.

Hey, if a mature, career politician can't make good judgments for himself after getting the facts and listening to expert advice, then he would never make a strong President. If Kerry is truly that susceptible to negative control - as opposed to informative input - by the people around him, he's not a man I want in a leadership position, making vitally important decisions.

I tend to see the "he held back because of his advisors" argument as excuse-making. If it's not, but actually describes the situation accurately, then he's too hesitant to be truly effective.

[Dr Fate]

119. No-These days, I'm the last DUer to make excuses for any DEM.

I dont see how he was a naval officer, criminal prosecutor or a successful Senator for so many years without being a pretty hard-as-nails, shrewd guy.

I'm not making excuses-he is not even my 1st choice as a candidate- and I critique him all the time. I'm making an educated observation.

I think a LOT of DEM "strategists" are giving bad advice to many candidates. They need to look at the Hackett campaign in my opinion.

[Nothing Without Hope]

103. I live in MA. I was so-so about him before 2004, was very disappointed

in his campaign and ever more disapproving of his behavior after the election. I would prefer another progressive Dem in his place as Senator.

[Mass]

109. May be we can focus on not reelecting Romney or Healy in the meantime

We cant seem to spend enough time criticizing Kerry, but when comes the time to elect a good standing Dem on Beacon Hill, it cant find time to select some new person who can stand against a Republican running on anti-establishment slogan.

So sorry, Kerry any day. In the meantime, I want a real candidate for governor.

[blm]

113. You want him GONE as Senator???????

The man who investigated and exposed more government corruption than any lawmaker in modern history and you want him GONE from the Senate?

That is just absurd. And I don't even KNOW how someone from Mass. could be so underwhelmed with his record of service. Not many Senators EFFECT history in a positive way and noone comes close to effecting the last 35 years as positively as Kerry has.

[McCamy Taylor]

111. He made * look like a wimp. Real war hero vs. the draft dodger.

Even though he didnt kick * out of the WH (thanks in part to election fraud) I think the sinking polls we are seeing now owe something to the comparison which the American public saw between a real leader and Monkey-boy.

Anyone who wants to get rid of Kerry has a screw loose. The Dems need elder statesmen, esp with Kennedy getting older.

[bnr65432]

114. same

[Adelante]

115. Voted other

I like him the same. He's a good human being, a good Senator, and a good Liberal. Always has been.

[Adelante]

116. Voted other

I like him the same. He's a good human being, a good Senator, and a good Liberal. Always has been.

[second edition]

117. This poll is confusing! I liked him then and I like him now!

I didn't know him at all before the election, so once I got to watch and hear him I got to like him a lot. I still really like him a lot! He would be my choice for President again!

[npincus]

118. sorry, but I am PISSED...

in spite of the theft of thousands of votes, surely Kerry should have won the war-mongering Chimp by a much wider margin (millions) than the vote stealing impacted.

Yes, Kerry was up against enormous obstacles: the Republican smear machine, the "Terra Terra Terra" manipulations of the Bushies, the melding of our national tragedy, 9-11 ,with the "War on Terra", the MSM's echo chamber for the lies of Bushco...

BUT, when it is all said and done, Kerry's lackadaisical campaign style (weren't we told he's a "closer") allowed the early lies ("Flip-Flopper") from the Chimp's campaign to fester and take root in the minds of enough Americans that too many held their noses and voted for the Chimp. We had PLENTY of ammo, and Kerry should have hit back HARD and EARLY. When B*sh rolled out the "Flip-Flopper" ads very early on, when it seemed Kerry's nomination was imminent, what did Kerry/ the Dems do- NOTHING. Kerry should have anticipated the onslaught of BS from the likes of Karl Rove, who is a known commodity. Sorry, there was way too much at stake to take a laid-back approach. And hiring a 6 (or 7)time loser (Shrum) to run the whole she-bang certainly was the writing on the wall.

Kerry should have been president, but I won't support his nomination this time.

[second edition]

122. The campaign was good!

Some mistakes, but overall,it was a good effort. It's easy to second guess now, Dems were aware of Rove's tactics, but even for Rove, the disgusting things pulled off during this election to get Bush back in office were astounding. Kerry actually conducted a campaign, Bush really didn't run so much as defend his policies and spread FEAR.
Fear is a very powerful thing, it can immobilize you, muddle your thinking and make you do irrational things. That is why Rove and company chose to promote and encourage the scenarios that brought about the feelings of fear in people. They did so with the help of the media. John Kerry not only had to convince people that he was the better candidate, he had to try to reach people and address their irrational fears. Changing peoples' minds and calming their fears takes time. Kerry had no help from the media in trying to get his messages out. They worked on behalf of Bush. I don't fault Kerry for losing, I blame the media mostly for spreading lies and not doing its job and the Bush administration, that lied and frightened the American public into reelecting them.

[greendog]

120. Through the '90's, Kerry supported the worst...

...of the corporate agenda.

NAFTA, GATT/WTO, Welfare Reform, and Telecom Deregulation.

So, before the campaign, I couldn't have liked him "less"; and because he's done nothing to redeem himself since then, I certainly don't like him "more" after the election.

He' better than Bush, but as we all know, that's not saying much.

[BlueJac]

121. No Balls

Should of let Edwards take the nomination!

[second edition]

124. Oh please, what type of limp reasoning is this?

Didn't think Kerry was tough enough? You didn't following the campaign closely then. Edward's was playing Mr. nice guy during the primaries and into the campaign. He didn't want to attack anyone. I liked Edward's message, but he lacked the experience necessary to be President.

[BlueJac]

131. Kerry was too weak

I wish he would of won but his tactics were not aggressive enough. Kerry could of talked harder on the issues like health care, outsourcing, lobbyist reform. Losers never had a good enough plan!

[1932]

123. More. everything I learned about Kerry, I liked.

His problems were beyond his control, and didn't have to do with his character, committment to democracy, conviction, or who he was trying to represent.

His problems were image, rather than what he stood for.

[second edition]

125. Exactly, the image being incorrectly reported on by Fox and

other cable networks. I do think many people came away with a positive image of him though. I think that image has also improved now that they see through the Bush act.

[Totally Committed]

127. I always wondered whose camp you were in.

Interesting.

[1932]

128. I'm wondering whose you're in.

[Totally Committed]

129. Wes Clark's, of course!

:)

[Totally Committed]

130. To know you are a Kerry supporter

is oddly comforting. I always like to know where people stand. It gives what they say and do a certain context. It tells me a bit about their ideology and agenda. It educates me about them.

For instance, Mass and Little Clarkie are Kerry supporters whom I not only respect, but greatly admire. Their support for Kerry gives a certain nobility and dignity to their posts, in my eyes at least, even if we disagree. They are, without a doubt, two of my favorite DU-ers. With people like that, agreeing to disagree about the candidates we support is a pleasure, and with them, a dialogue is always possible.

So, knowing where you are "coming from" at least lets me know you are not just some whacko only interested in spamming every Clark thread with the same information and negative buzz words for some bizarre RW faction. That's a good thing. Maybe you just needed a hobby.

[1932]

132. It's odd that you couldn't tell from my posts what I believed.

It's strange that it has to be attached to a candidate.

Just so you know, I believe the corporatocracy (John Perkins's term), neoliberalism, the polarization of wealth at home and abroad, and the drive for empire are the biggest threats to society. I like democrats who provide a criticism of that and an alternative world view.

Kerry didn't take PAC money, criticized American Empire in Vietnam, and stood up for working people. That's why I liked him.

There were no revelations about him that disappointed me during the campaign other than his criticism of Chavez.

[Totally Committed]

133. I really did think you were a RW-er who had zoned-in on Wes

early on so as to cripple him here with the DU-ers. You got the tactics down pat.

Knowing you are a Kerry-ite (although, how you square the corporatocracy thing with the fact that he's DLC, I dunno, but that's your mishugas.... never mind, I really don't care), it makes your attacks on Wes all the sadder, but at least a bit more understandable.

I still don't care for what you're doing, and how you're doing it, but at least knowing it's coming from the Kerry Camp helps me deal with it more effectively, both personally and on this board.

[1932]

134. That is absolutely nuts.

You must know that I have not zoned in on Clark. I've zoned in on issues, like wealth polarization, neoliberalizm, and empire, and Clark has gotten caught up in the wake simply because Clark is so often discussed here, and so often those aspects of his persona are totally glossed over by supporters.

If I were a covert RW, you must appreciate that the LAST thing I'd criticize is globalization and neoliberalism and virtual empire and the wealth polarization it causes.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

136. I liked him more and during the election he drove me crazy

Under normal circumstances, I feel he is a great candidate and is the person I would like to see in the WHite House. I've ALWAYS wanted Kerry to become president.

During the debates, the thing he is accused of most is "nuancing" and there were a few answers where I felt he did that.

Many accused him of not addressing the Swift Boaters fast enough, and I felt he might have been right to ignore them, but in retrospect I was wrong about that. He should have and COULD have killed them in a one on one just as he did with O'Neill on Dick Cavett in the 70's.

I also really felt he had the dough to campaign in all 50 states and SHOULD have not just for the presidency but for the party in general.