All the pieces are on the board, folks....time to get worried.

[Lerkfish]

ALREADY DONE:
• CIA is purged of nonloyalists and replaced with loyalists in key positions...check
• 8 billion dollars earmarked for Iraq reconstruction waylaid...check
(that can finance a lot of black ops)
• set up 14 permanent militarys bases in Iraq that can be used as operation HQs for future invasions...check
• Bolton is force-installed in a rush...check
• Bolton wastes no time to start mucking with UN immediately....check
• Bolton becomes impatient with UN inspections on Iran's nuclear program...check
• Bolton chides the UN that there is limited time (why? what's the hurry?)...check
• Nonloyal generals who might be in opposition to an invasion of Iran (or worse), fired or forced to resign...check
• Planted news reports give impression Iran is shipping conventonal weapons to Iraq insurgents...check.
• Planted news reports give impression Iran is making nuclear weapons....check
• Black OPs CIA agents foment insurgency in Iran through dissident network...check
• All military leaves canceled or not allowed after 9/7.....check
• Bushes gather "friendly" reporters to a barbque where they have to sign a nondisclosure form as a "thank you' for loyalty thus far, to discuss something secret and get their stories in order.....check
• 700 new soldiers sent to Iraq to help with prison duties (yeah, right, they're paratroopers...hmm)...check
http://www.rantburg.com/poparticle.php?D=2005-08-18&ID=127067&HC=1
• 2.000 New soldiers sent to Iraq to help with election and constitution concerns (yeah, right)...check
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N24635667.htm
• Therefore nearly 3,000 new troops arrive under "benign" auspices, but available to immediately redeploy once arrived and add to existing troops in Iraq (160,000 that we're allowed to know about) to begin preparations for the ground invasion of Iran....check.

TO DO:
• Stage third Pearl Harbor on American soil and blame the Iranians
• Launch limited tactical nuke "bunker buster" bombs on Iran nuke plants
• Launch incursions into Iranian territory with enlarged ground forces.
• drop MOAB bombs on Iranian cities (these bombs were offloaded into Iraq during the beginning of the war and never yet used...I think at least 4)
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/09/sprj.irq.moab.gulf/

[demnan]

1. Oh boy . . .

sounds credible to me.

:tinfoilhat:

[Lerkfish]

8. what's not credible? 16 of 20 items already accomplished.

[Mr Rabble]

16. That $8.8 billion is already gone. Yukos Oil.

I think that missing money went to purchase Russian Oil co. Yukos in the name of a shell company.

[Lerkfish]

17. ah, thanks. do you have a link?

I'd be interested in reading about that.

[Mr Rabble]

33. Not without looking. This was talked about on Randi's show.

So it should be easy to find.

I remember that right after the $8.8b went missing, Yukos was purchased for, you guessed it, $8.8b. And, the company is a shell company- impossible to find out who is involved.

[Lerkfish]

34. see libertyordeath's post further down..apparently 1 TRILLION is missing.

a little more than 8.8 billion. This must be a different wad of cash.

[Mr Rabble]

40. Hard to keep track of WHICH missing billions....

[MisterP]

101. 9B from the interim government in Iraq, well over 1T Pentagon altogether

I also read a 4T number, but that may've just been waste and evaporation from Ray-Gun on

[Imagevision]

122. Where will they place Bush when next hit occurs?

http://downingstreetmemo.com/

[electropop]

28. This puts real urgency on the impeachment.

The problem Bushitler is running into with the polls has to do with running out of new tricks. They keep using the same old tired MO.

(1) Build up a fake case of WMDs against an oil country.
(2) Blast them to smithereens.
(3) Cackle with glee as US oil companies rake in record profits, in the scarce market produced by shutting the spigot from yet another competitor.

The other one that folks aren't buying any more is the terror levels. Most folks didn't even notice this time that as soon as the polls came out, they raised the terror level. The public reaction seemed to be "Yeah, whutever."

[jojo54]

2. If this does indeed happen, which I think is very possible,

and * sends thousands of troops from Iraq to Iran, I think we're going to see a lot more military families scream in rage at the top of their lungs. * says he can't pull troops out of Iraq because "it just wouldn't work", but he can pull them out to invade another oil-wealthy country.

Yeah, that makes a lot of damn sense to me! :sarcasm:

[radfringe]

92. it's not only POSSIBLE - it's very PROBABLE

Deep Background
August 1, 2005 Issue - American Conservative

In Washington it is hardly a secret that the same people in and around the administration who brought you Iraq are preparing to do the same for Iran. The Pentagon, acting under instructions from Vice President Dick Cheney’s office, has tasked the United States Strategic Command (STRATCOM) with drawing up a contingency plan to be employed in response to another 9/11-type terrorist attack on the United States. The plan includes a large-scale air assault on Iran employing both conventional and tactical nuclear weapons. Within Iran there are more than 450 major strategic targets, including numerous suspected nuclear-weapons-program development sites. Many of the targets are hardened or are deep underground and could not be taken out by conventional weapons, hence the nuclear option. As in the case of Iraq, the response is not conditional on Iran actually being involved in the act of terrorism directed against the United States. Several senior Air Force officers involved in the planning are reportedly appalled at the implications of what they are doing—that Iran is being set up for an unprovoked nuclear attack—but no one is prepared to damage his career by posing any objections.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

3. Biggest clue I noticed ! If you check out his latest speeches he

has stopped saying Iraq and has replaced it with "Iraq and the Broader Middle East"....

[SaveAmerica]

88. and the one speech where he said 'finish our work in Iran' , it was

posted here about 3 or 4 days ago.

[corker]

4. all the pieces have fall-in into place

except terra attack in the US....crap

[LoKnLoD]

5. 8 Billions Dollars

and 3000 troops would last about a week and a half in Iran.

[Lerkfish]

7. how long would 4 MOABS, 25 tact nukes and 100,000 troops last?

you're only counting the newest 3000, 700 of which are highly specialized paratroopers.
Now, do you need paratroopers to guard prisons, or invade?

[HereSince1628]

84. I don't know...Sure it would be a waste of training for airborne

to be guarding prisons. But wasting skills has never been a problem in this little war anyway.

And I personally think that because of issues of terrain a ground assault on Iran from the west, that is from Iraq, is less likely than a dash across the flat part of Iran from the east, that is from southwestern Pakistan.

I AM concerned about Bush turning on another country. I think the cancelling of all leaves in mid-September, if it's true, is a signal something is up. But I don't know what.

[okieinpain]

89. as long as gas prices remain high, and bushes numbers are in

the toilet, there will be no invasion of iran.

[BlueJac]

6. Totally possible

GW is hell bent on fight them all, and controlling the oil in that region. His Mobil mission is clear. :kick:

[cyberpj]

9. Because we WILL NOT be excluded from this circle of oil:

Russia and China:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/world/3310317

Iran and Iraq:
http://www.gnn.tv/headlines/3670/Iraq_Signs_Military_Pact_with_Iran

And here's where it comes full circle:

Venezuela enlists Iran to steer oil to China
By Andy Webb-Vidal in Caracas
Published: January 31 2005 03:00 | Last updated: January 31 2005 03:00

Venezuela has enrolled Iran to help it accelerate a strategy to steer its oil exports to China and away from its traditional market of the US.

A team of traders from Petróleos de Venezuela (PDVSA), the state-owned oil company, is to be trained in London by Iranian advisers in how to best place oil in Asian markets, according to industry sources.
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/3221ed52-732d-11d9-86a0-00000e2511c8.html


Guess the PNAC clan will get to pull out their BIG toys now, won't they?

God help us all.

[NV Whino]

10. Next terra-ist attack on left coast...

You know, from whence come all those terra-ists like Cindy Sheehan.
:tinfoilhat:

[Amonester]

64. I thaw a rumore about some mini nuke in Thikago :((((((((((

Even worsths wuz for PNAC kood synch it too bursth 'round a corner where 'Fitz The Cat' kood be worthin' on dath horrifikly rumoared day :evilfrown:

Noh mor' Fitz... Noh mor' Palmgayte? Watta :scared: rumore.

[Hailtothechimp]

66. Sure hope you're wrong on that.

Chicago is what make Illinois blue, so losing the city would help the war party politically. But it's just too horrible to consider. I live in Chicago, and I know it's a choice target. Fitzgerald being here makes it all the more so.

I'm not sure what else to say, except God Bless America, whenever she returns to us.

[Amonester]

83. Sure hope I am wrong on that also.

Never in my life have I ever wished to be more wrong than I hope to be on that. I know there is no low these crazy Republicans won't go to enrich their wealthy base at the expense of the American public, but I sure do hope they won't ever go that low.

:scared:

[peacetalksforall]

11. September 7? I never heard that one. Quote "Bushes gather "friendly"

reporters to a barbque where they have to sign a nondisclosure form as a "thank you' for loyalty thus far, to discuss something secret and get their stories in order.....check"

Where has this been discussed or written about?

[Lerkfish]

13. here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1728539

[msongs]

12. faulty logic - one item does NOT necessarily lead to another

"because A" does not lead to "then B" just by being on a list. Some items on your list may or not be true (no documentation provided to prove some).

Interesting concept however, that the US military will invade a country it cannot conquer due to lack of resources, a well armed defender, and impossible geography, all in the middle of a host of nations who are hostile and will rise up to stab the invaders in the back, front, and side.

Msongs
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm

[Lerkfish]

14. whichever items on the already accomplished list you think false,

google em.

If I'm wrong, I'll apologize.

the to do list is obviously connecting dots.

This is what my instincts tell me from the way the pieces are being placed. If your instincts tell you differently, that's fine.

To clarify, I'm not saying the invasion/attack will happen ON 9/7, but that there are no leaves after 9/7, from what I've heard. It takes logistical time to set up.
Therefore, I am guessing by the last week in September we will be at least starting "softening up" sorties on the nuke plants.

[The Sleeper]

15. it's not just the events....

It's that these nutjobs don't live in the real world, and are convinced they can do anything. But it aint easy to predict what a nutjob will do next.....

[Lerkfish]

18. Actually, if you know their goal, it is easier to predict.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

their intent is to "reshape" the broader Middle East. If you know that in the beginning, its easier to trace backwards and see how they think they can accomplish it.

[The Sleeper]

20. I agree, lerkfish.

They think they can reshape the Middle East to their liking and assert a permanent global Hegemony, but that's not based in reality.One only has to look at the history of the ME to see that.

I'm just thinking that if their goals are the result of faulty thinking, then some of the directions they take to accomplish this goal may not be too rational either....
Hitler sacrificed the entire 6th Army at Stalingrad because he was too damn proud to back off trying to take the city. it wouldn't surprise me to see the same kind of thinking from these SOB's....

[Lerkfish]

22. right, I consider that their faulty logic makes them MORE dangerous

a normal person would be daunted at the unassailability of attacking Iran. These guys never hesitate.
I can't decide whether its pure unadulterated evil, but stupid evil, or if they are smarter than we realize and intend to really become world dictators at the expense of our blood, damn the consequences.

[hvn_nbr_2]

25. Military leaves cancelled after 9/7?

I haven't heard about that. Do you have a source? Did they give a reason?

[Lerkfish]

30. you might have me on that one...

I thought I remembered reading it from a credible source, but google searches only come up with it in blogs and questionable sites.
I know someone here at DU asked about it once.
I still think I saw it somewhere more reputable, but since I go to a lot sites, I might have been confused...

at any rate, here are some less than credible links...

http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001694.htm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2005/110805terrordrill.htm
http://thinkprogress.org/2005/08/22/bush-nixon
(you have to read about halfway down and its there in the comments...)

In light of that, you can strike that one from the list...however, there is still the increase in specialized troops, and the Bolton sense of urgency, so I still think its planned for mid to late September.

[Nothing Without Hope]

114. Here's a current DU thread on this "cancelled leave" rumor -

replies seem to suggest it IS a rumor. Obviously it's very important and scary if true.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4476062
Thread title: This is really weird (just pulled it off of CPH website)--verify?

(CPH is "Crawford Peace House")

I hope that if anyone has solid confirmation of this rumor about the cancelled military leaves, they will post both a new thread and a headsup about it in the current thread so we'll know.

[Cronus Protagonist]

32. You missed one important point: Bush tells Iranian people....

...that he stands with those who stand with him against their own government.... just like he did before we invaded Afghanistan, just like he did before he invaded Iraq...

"And to the Iranian people, I say tonight: As you stand for your own liberty, America stands with you." - G. W. Bush


http://brainbuttons.com/home.asp?stashid=13
Buttons for brainy people - educate your local freepers today!

[Lerkfish]

35. I"m missing several points , probably..thanks for your addition

read libertyordeath's post further down..that's stuff I didn't know yet, either.
thank you.

[txaslftist]

27. Yeah, but you don't have to be a weatherman to know how the wind blows.

[Roland99]

19. Zoinks!

:scared:

[whatever4]

21. Insert curse words here

Thank you for posting that, because it's actually hard to keep up. When the powers that be have things so screwed up that we can't even keep up with the issues. Isn't that handy? Like an attack on all sides, all 'd time.

This has the same run-up feeling that Iraq did. It sounded crazy to start with, they read the public, backed off a little bit, reworded a few things, and just kept on going, until we had the war. Ha. I call it "the war". Looks like it will have to be the Iraq war soon, just to differentiate it. Another middle eastern country we invaded for fun and profit, right next door, how handy.

I hate that our soldiers are falling for it. While they're being shit all over, there, when they come back, their futures, and for many of them, even their children. All so these bastards can get rich. Hate seeing people used, and they're being used like they can't possibly imagine.

Pat myself on the back again for not going ready reserve. For not listening to my family and friends and coworkers. Everyone. Easy money, opportunities...no plans on going to war and no worries. Then. But then was less than a decade ago now, and a lot has changed. NO one believed I'd ever be in any danger from the Uniform Code of Military Justice. The ucmj that will put people in jail for refusing to go, ordinary people just like me who just weren't quite that paranoid. And they should have not needed to be. They just didn't think they'd be lied to.

Fraidy cats like me shouldn't be the only one's left standing, you know?

[pberq]

23. Way to go, lerkfish! -- See this: Cheney's plan to nuke Iran

http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=6734

<snip>
A recent poll shows six in ten Americans think a new world war is coming: the same poll says about 50 percent approve of the dropping of the atomic bomb on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki at the end of World War II. Somewhat inexplicably, about two-thirds say nuking those two cities was "unavoidable." One can only wonder, then, what their reaction will be to this ominous news, revealed in a recent issue of The American Conservative by intelligence analyst Philip Giraldi:

"The Pentagon, acting under instructions from Vice President Dick Cheney's office, has tasked the United States Strategic Command (STRATCOM) with drawing up a contingency plan to be employed in response to another 9/11-type terrorist attack on the United States. The plan includes a large-scale air assault on Iran employing both conventional and tactical nuclear weapons. Within Iran there are more than 450 major strategic targets, including numerous suspected nuclear-weapons-program development sites. Many of the targets are hardened or are deep underground and could not be taken out by conventional weapons, hence the nuclear option. As in the case of Iraq, the response is not conditional on Iran actually being involved in the act of terrorism directed against the United States. Several senior Air Force officers involved in the planning are reportedly appalled at the implications of what they are doing – that Iran is being set up for an unprovoked nuclear attack – but no one is prepared to damage his career by posing any objections."

Two points leap out at the reader – or, at least, this reader – quite apart from the moral implications of dropping nukes on Iran. The first is the completely skewed logic: if Iran has nothing to do with 9/11-II, then why target Tehran? As in Iraq, it's all a pretext: only this time, the plan is to use nuclear weapons. We'll wipe out the entire population of Iran's capital city because, as Paul Wolfowitz said in another context, "it's doable."

The other weird aspect of this "nuke Iran" story is the triggering mechanism: a terrorist attack in the U.S. on the scale of 9/11. While it is certain that our government has developed a number of scenarios for post-attack action, one has to wonder: why develop this plan at this particular moment? What aren't they telling us?

[Lerkfish]

37. thank you, I had forgotten about that. I vaguely recalled

when that first came up here...thanks for adding that.

I am really amazed at how they don't even try to cover up what they're planning.

[bpilgrim]

24. Stagger on, weary Titan

From The Guardian Unlimited (London)
Dated Thursday August 25

The US is reeling, like imperial Britain after the Boer war - but don't gloat

By Timothy Garton Ash in Stanford

If you want to know what London was like in 1905, come to Washington in 2005. Imperial gravitas and massive self-importance. That sense of being the centre of the world, and of needing to know what happens in every corner of the world because you might be called on - or at least feel called upon - to intervene there. Hyperpower. Top dog. And yet, gnawing away beneath the surface, the nagging fear that your global supremacy is not half so secure as you would wish. As Joseph Chamberlain, the British colonial secretary, put it in 1902: "The weary Titan staggers under the too vast orb of his fate."

The United States is now that weary Titan. In the British case, the angst was a result of the unexpectedly protracted, bloody and costly Boer war, in which a small group of foreign insurgents defied the mightiest military the world had seen; concern about the rising economic power of Germany and the United States; and a combination of imperial overstretch with socio-economic problems at home. In the American case, it's a result of the unexpectedly protracted, bloody and costly Iraq war, in which a small group of foreign insurgents defies the mightiest military the world has seen; concern about the rising economic power of China and India; and a combination of imperial overstretch with socio-economic problems at home.

Iraq is America's Boer war. Remember that after the British had declared the end of major combat operations in the summer of 1900, the Boers launched a campaign of guerrilla warfare that kept British troops on the run for another two years. The British won only by a ruthlessness of which, I'm glad to say, the democratic, squeamish and still basically anti-colonialist United States appears incapable. In the end, the British had 450,000 British and colonial troops there (compared with some 150,000 US troops in Iraq), and herded roughly a quarter of the Boer population into concentration camps, where many died.

In a recent CNN/Gallup poll, 54% of those asked said it was a mistake to send American troops into Iraq, and 57% said the Iraq war has made the US less safe from terrorism. The protest camp outside President Bush's ranch in Crawford, which grew around the mother of a soldier who died in Iraq, exemplifies the pain. CNN last Sunday aired a documentary with top-level sources explaining in detail how the intelligence on Saddam's weapons of mass destruction was distorted, abused, sexed up and, as the programme was entitled, Dead Wrong. This will hardly be news for British or European readers, but the facts have not been so widely aired in the US. In another poll, the number of those who rated the president as "honest" fell below 50% for the first time. This week, he has again attempted to bolster support for his administration and his war. It doesn't seem to be working.

more...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,1555819,00.html

discuss here...
posted by Jack Rabbit @ DU Editorials

psst... pass the word ;->

peace

[Joanne98]

26. Please help take back the intel agencies....pass this around....

Wayne Madsen Report....
http://www.waynemadsenreport.com /

ATTENTION CURRENT AND VETERAN INTELLIGENCE PROFESSIONALS: DEFEND OUR NATIONAL SECURITY FROM THE BUSH REGIME

I am kicking off a letter campaign to the Congress when it returns from recess after Labor Day. It calls on Congress to immediately pass legislation requiring the Director of National Intelligence to order an immediate halt to and retroactive (to include the past three years) reversal of all personnel actions within the U.S. intelligence community that are based on blatant political vendettas. I will personally hand-deliver the letter to the relevant committees on intelligence, government affairs, and armed services. If you are a current or past member of the U.S. intelligence community (including military service and law enforcement elements) and would like to sign on, please send you name, city and state where you vote, and agency and division (if classified, merely send the cover title), and years of service to [e-mail] . If you reside abroad, state your home of record (birth place or city and state where you cast your absentee ballot). If you are a current member of the U.S. intelligence community and wish to remain anonymous, merely provide your agency and city and state where you vote.



Dear Senators Roberts/Rockefeller/Warner/Levin/Collins/Lieberman;

Representatives Hoekstra/Harman/Hunter/Skelton/Davis/Waxman:

We, the undersigned members and veterans of the U.S. Intelligence Community are writing you to request that legislation be introduced that would require the Director of National Intelligence to order an immediate halt to politically-motivated adverse personnel actions that are directed against career members of the U.S. Intelligence Community. A number of experienced intelligence professionals who have strictly followed departmental and agency rules and regulations and demonstrated their commitment to the the Constitution and the national security of the United States have been victimized by an Intelligence Community-wide program of intimidation, psychological abuse, revocation of their security clearances, and wrongful termination. This witch hunt and purge must stop. We are also asking that all politically-motivated terminations of intelligence professionals over the past three years be immediately reversed by the Director of National Intelligence and a review of the individual circumstances of the adverse actions be conducted by a special congressionally-chartered commission staffed by professional mediators from the Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service.

Respectfully,

Wayne Madsen, Arlington, VA, (LT, USN, National Security Agency 1984-85).

John Lovejoy, Lebanon, OR (USAF Security Station, Trabzon, Turkey, 1960s).

[NMDemDist2]

63. Madsen is less than reliable as a source. n/t

[Eloriel]

70. That's not a universally held opinion here at DU

And in fact, it's a fairly new meme, as well. I understand that he's not gotten EVERYthing right, but I also understand that in the realm in which he works, that may be an occupational hazard.

Or maybe I should just say: *I* don't agree with that assessment.

[NMDemDist2]

87. it's certainly not universal I agree. he's just one I take with a LARGE

grain of salt.

Stranger conspiracy theories have proven true in the long run so who's to say? :shrug:

[Eloriel]

100. Yeah, I can go with skepticism re some of his work

:hi:

[dbeach]

108. heard over at different forum..that Madsen received death threat

he left DC for a few days but he got threat..the forum may be banned at DU ..but its refernced at RI
http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/

[loudsue]

98. I'm with you, Eloriel. Madsen has been carrying the banner,

trying to get at the truth from a maniacally paranoid and secretive government. He's connected a lot of dots that needed to be connected.

He's been wrong on certain points, but his overall direction has been right on target.

:kick::kick::kick:

[preciousdove]

29. pResident Shrub has never been to San Francisco

If you are a nervous nelly and were planning to annihilate it in the future it might be hard to go there and act normal.

[Contrary1]

41. I don't think it would be SF....

too many Gays and all the "Non-Christians" who accept them.

It would be difficult for Smirk to muster up much angry indignation,
if it was just queers and heathens that got it.

[LibertyorDeath]

31. Yes this is the big pic ...Great post ! Some more for the list

John "the death squads love me" Negroponte appointed Domestic Intelligence Czar.

Albert "lets torture them" Gonzales appointed head Law Enforcer
Attorney General

(This is a Big one IMO)
The imminent take over of the Federal Judiciary.

8 billion dollars ? as far as I know there is in excess of

Rumsfeld Says 2.3 Trillion Dollars Missing At Pentagon. Source: CBS News.

This amount has changed to a TRILLION DOLLARS

The Department of Defense, already infamous for spending $640 for a toilet seat, once again finds itself under intense scrutiny, only this time because it couldn't account for more than a TRILLION DOLLARS in financial transactions, not to mention dozens of tanks, missiles and planes.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/05/18/MN251738.DTL

When I watched Rumsfeld being questioned about it he could not offer
any explanation the Comptroller has resigned in disgust over it as far as I know.

Pentagon Finance Manager Resigns
author: Reuters

A study by the Defense Department's inspector general found that the Pentagon couldn't properly account for more than a trillion dollars in monies spent.
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/03/282671.shtml

Rumsfeld also has these folk at his disposal.

Last week, the respected former military intelligence analyst William Arkin revealed a hitherto unknown government directive, with the Orwellian sobriquet `JCS Conplan 0300-97,’ authorizing the Pentagon to employ special, ultra secret `anti-terrorist’ military units on American soil for what the author says are `extra legal missions.’ In other words, using US soldiers to arrest or kill citizens at home, acts that have been illegal since the US Civil War and are a grave violation of the constitution and tradition.

more

http://www.ericmargolis.com/archives/2005/02/the_pentagonas.php

Patriot Act 2 was passed

If an American Citizen is designated a terrorist or is alleged to have given "aid or comfort" to terrorist(s) or a group the Feds declare are terrorists.

Then you can be arrested held without charge indefinitely.
You will have NO RECOURSE TO THE LAW NONE ZERO
You may never even know the charge against you.

Excellent post Lerkfish this is not tin foil this is what they have
done or are in the process of doing.

Recommended!

[Lerkfish]

36. thanks for the additional info. I imagine what we know is only

one fifth or less of what is actually going on, and what we know is creepy enough.

[LibertyorDeath]

39. People like Hersh have been trying to wake up Americans to this reality.

The Coming Wars

What the Pentagon can now do in secret.

by SEYMOUR M. HERSH

01/17/05 "New Yorker" -- George W. Bush’s reëlection was not his only victory last fall. The President and his national-security advisers have consolidated control over the military and intelligence communities’ strategic analyses and covert operations to a degree unmatched since the rise of the post-Second World War national-security state. Bush has an aggressive and ambitious agenda for using that control—against the mullahs in Iran and against targets in the ongoing war on terrorism—during his second term. The C.I.A. will continue to be downgraded, and the agency will increasingly serve, as one government consultant with close ties to the Pentagon put it, as “facilitators” of policy emanating from President Bush and Vice-President Dick Cheney. This process is well under way.

Despite the deteriorating security situation in Iraq, the Bush Administration has not reconsidered its basic long-range policy goal in the Middle East: the establishment of democracy throughout the region. Bush’s reëlection is regarded within the Administration as evidence of America’s support for his decision to go to war. It has reaffirmed the position of the neoconservatives in the Pentagon’s civilian leadership who advocated the invasion, including Paul Wolfowitz, the Deputy Secretary of Defense, and Douglas Feith, the Under-secretary for Policy. According to a former high-level intelligence official, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld met with the Joint Chiefs of Staff shortly after the election and told them, in essence, that the naysayers had been heard and the American people did not accept their message. Rumsfeld added that America was committed to staying in Iraq and that there would be no second-guessing.

“This is a war against terrorism, and Iraq is just one campaign. The Bush Administration is looking at this as a huge war zone,” the former high-level intelligence official told me. “Next, we’re going to have the Iranian campaign. We’ve declared war and the bad guys, wherever they are, are the enemy. This is the last hurrah—we’ve got four years, and want to come out of this saying we won the war on terrorism.”

Bush and Cheney may have set the policy, but it is Rumsfeld who has directed its implementation and has absorbed much of the public criticism when things went wrong—whether it was prisoner abuse in Abu Ghraib or lack of sufficient armor plating for G.I.s’ vehicles in Iraq. Both Democratic and Republican lawmakers have called for Rumsfeld’s dismissal, and he is not widely admired inside the military. Nonetheless, his reappointment as Defense Secretary was never in doubt.

More

The Coming Wars

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7719.htm

[Lerkfish]

43. thanks! bookmarked! I'd not read this yet. Its amazing that what I

arrived at through observation, pattern recognition and intuition has been credibly documented.

I"m even more certain than I was before.

and more unsettled.

To carry Rumsfeld's designs to their logical conclusion, we are talking using untouchable undetectable agents to carry out a world-wide sucker punch to literally anyone they chose.

this is WORSE than Hitler even dreamed of.


crap.

[SaveAmerica]

90. I think the answer lies in our soldiers, right now i would guess the

majority knows that they have been lied to but because of their oath they continue to support their 'commander in chief' (however much a liar he is). Our soldiers and marines need to remember that their oath included 'all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC' and if the soldiers are going to be the catalyst for the majority of this plan, it would be a matter of them going after the thieves and enemies in the white house that are using them to ruin our country. If they refuse to do anything against Iran and they refuse to arrest civilians here in America ("In other words, using US soldiers to arrest or kill citizens at home, acts that have been illegal since the US Civil War and are a grave violation of the constitution and tradition") PNAC's hands will be tied (preferably with handcuffs). The military's new motto should be 'The Lie Stops Here).

[OneTwentyoNine]

38. And lastly Dems in House and Congress trip all over themselves...

to pass the Iranian War act. Coming soon to a TV near you....

[Nothing Without Hope]

74. Since Congress passed the blatantly unconstitutional law to allow the

President to declare war all by himself, they don't have to have Congress give approval. In fact, I'm betting they would prefer to do this while Congress is in recess so they won't get in the way. This would be especially useful if they want to declare martial law - and yes, that plan is all in place already too. It should be in the intial OP list if it isn't already. It's a FEMA plan, as I recall, and it would suspend Congress and all democratic processes indefinitely.

[Nothing Without Hope]

42. Recommended and kicked. BUT YOU LEFT OUT ISRAEL'S POSSIBLE INVOLVEMENT

as an initiator and/or collaborator in the Iran attacks. (The involvement of the US might be bolstered by a staged MIHOP domestic "terror" attack that is blamed on Iran.)

The Bush cabal's mouthpieces have been out preparing the ground with talk of Iraq's supposed plans to nuclear bomb us any day now. See this thread - I strongly recommend reading through all its replies, because there is a lot of info there on the leadup to invasion of Iran:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1768708
Thread title: Is anyone watching Jerome Corsi saying Iran planning to nuclear-bomb {the US, presumably New York? It is incredible - total lies, total intimidation, total propaganda to promote boming Iran. I've NEVER seen anything like this. It's on CSPAN-2 now, on BookTV, talking about his book "Atomic Iran."}

Here's a piece you left out: Israel is now ready to launch Operation Daniel, the attack on Iranian nuclear reactors and, if possible, further attacks to produce "regime change." And this has been approved by the Bush Administration.

Here are some of the many links on israel's possible role in the planned attack on Iran:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/09/22/wnuke22.xml&sSheet=/portal/2004/09/22/ixportaltop.html

Israel challenges Iran's nuclear ambitions

By Anton La Guardia, Diplomatic Editor
(Filed: 22/09/2004)

Israel admitted yesterday that it is buying 500 "bunker-buster" bombs, which could be used to hit Iran's nuclear facilities, as Teheran paraded ballistic missiles as a warning against attack.

The BLU-109 bombs, which can penetrate more than 7ft of reinforced concrete, are among "smart" munitions being sold to Israel under America's military aid programme.

(snip)

Israel regards Iran as its greatest strategic enemy and has issued thinly-veiled threats of military action to try to stop Teheran's nuclear programme if diplomatic efforts fail to halt it.

(snip)

Western diplomats believe that America, or Israel, could resort to air strikes against nuclear facilities. Israel's bombing of Saddam Hussein's Osirak reactor in 1981, which set back Iraq's nuclear programme, is held up as a model of "pre-emptive action".

(snip)

Of course, they bought the specialized "bunker-busting" bombs from the U.S. Elsewhere in this article are the statement from Israeli sources that the sale would go through after the Nov 2004 US Presidential election - didn't want to scare voters off so much that election fraud would be too obvious. And then there is another statement from an Israeli source: "This is not the sort of ordnance needed for the Palestinian front. Bunker busters could serve Israel against Iran, or possibly Syria."

This article also has a helpful graphic to show how these bombs could hit Iran's underground nuclear facilities:



As of mid-July, Israel is READY TO LAUNCH PRE-EMPTIVE STRIKE ON IRAN:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6518.htm

Report: Israel ready for pre-emptive strike against Iran's nuclear facility

By Ellis Shuman

July 19, 2004 "Israel Insider" -- The Israeli Air Force has completed military preparations for a pre-emptive strike at Iran's Bushehr nuclear facility and will attack if Russia supplies Iran with rods for enriching uranium, Israeli officials said, according to a report in the London Sunday Times. Military sources said the raid would be carried out by long-range F-15I jets, overflying Turkey, with simultaneous operations by commandos on the ground.

(snip)

The Iranian nuclear threat has been on Israel's agenda for some time, and the issue was raised in talks between Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and U.S. President George W. Bush in Washington last year. The Washington Post reported in August 2003 that administration officials were increasingly concerned that Israel would launch a per-emptive strike against Iran.

In its report, the Sunday Times quoted a senior U.S. official warning of a pre-emptive Israeli strike if Russia continues cooperating with the Iranians. He said Washington was unlikely to block Israeli attacks against Iran.

The paper also quoted from a classified document on the Iranian threat, entitled "The Strategic Future of Israel," which was presented to Sharon earlier this year. The document allegedly advocates military action against "countries which develop nuclear weapons" and describes Iran as a "suicide nation" and recommends "targeted killings" of members of the country's elite, including its leading nuclear scientists.

(snip)

Note the "commandos on the ground." Do you doubt that those 700 special US paratrooper forces brought into Iraq would participate in this?

Here's another piece:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44107

1st strike on Iran 'gaining traction'

Report urges U.S., Israel to consider pre-emptive attack against Tehran
Posted: May 4, 2005

By Aaron Klein
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

(snip)

"Decision-makers at the very highest levels of government in Jerusalem and Washington as well as NATO have been briefed on Project Daniel. Sharon last month carried our urgent message directly to President Bush," said Dr. Louis Rene Beres, Project Daniel chair and a professor of international law at Purdue University whose books and articles are routinely considered by military officials.

Project Daniel recommends that with Tehran now developing the infrastructure that could allow the country to go nuclear, the United States or Israel should strike pre-emptively against Iran's nuclear installations if the diplomatic track fails.

"The group suggests strongly and unequivocally that conventional Israeli pre-emption against selected enemy nuclear infrastructures now in development be executed as early as possible and – wherever possible – in collaboration with the United States. Where America may be unable or unwilling to act proactively against these infrastructures, it is essential that Israel be able and willing to act alone," says the report.

Project Daniel urges Israel to strike Iran's nuclear facilities using covert operations, conventional weaponry and, if it can be reasonably assured of success, by targeting Iran's regime leadership.

(snip)

Another piece: the lineup of the Press behind the idea that Iran is dangerous and must be stopped very soon - this, despite the finding in the best intelligence available - the leaked NIE on Iran - that Iran is at least 10 years away from being able to build a nuclear bomb. While I would be nervous about relying on a full 10 years of safely, given that other nations that already have nuclear arms are allied with Iran, the claim that Iran has already or will soon build its own nuclear bombs is FALSE. Other reliable sources have confirmed the NIE. (I can give links if requested - I think I saved them)

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/080305E.shtml

Media Flagstones along a Path to War on Iran

By Norman Solomon
t r u t h o u t | Perspective
Wednesday 03 August 2005

On Tuesday, big alarm bells went off in the national media echo chamber, and major US news outlets showed that they knew the drill. Iran's nuclear activities were pernicious, most of all, because people in high places in Washington said so.

It didn't seem to matter much that just that morning the Washington Post reported: "A major US intelligence review has projected that Iran is about a decade away from manufacturing the key ingredient for a nuclear weapon, roughly doubling the previous estimate of five years, according to government sources with firsthand knowledge of the new analysis. The carefully hedged assessments, which represent consensus among US intelligence agencies, contrast with forceful public statements by the White House."

By evening - hours after the Iranian government said it would no longer suspend activities related to enriching uranium - American news outlets were making grave pronouncements, amplifying the statements from French, British and German officials closing ranks with the Bush administration. On television in the United States, a narrow range of talking heads detoured around the USA's profuse nuclear hypocrisies.

(snip)

"This notion that the United States is getting ready to attack Iran is simply ridiculous," President Bush told a news conference in late February. He added in the same breath: "and having said that, all options are on the table." Assembled journalists laughed.

1 also strongly recommend reading entirely through the following thread - both the opening post and the links in the replies:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4252778#4255071
thread title: Three extremely important threads on Iran nukes & the Bush agenda

And then there's this: PRE-EMPTIVE STRIKES ARE NOW OFFICIAL US MILITARY POLICY. On March 18, the DoD made pre-emptive attacks the US policy. When it was posted, this extremely important thread got almost no attention at all. But it's a vital part of this story and must be included:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1686257
Thread title: DoD Releases the National Defense and the National Military Strategies

AND THEN THERE'S BOLTON'S NOTORIOUS IDENTIFICATION WITH THE DESIRE TO ATTACK IRAN:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/05/08/03_bolton.html

U.N. Credentials Committee Can Reject Bolton

August 3, 2005
By Mark G. Levey

(snip)

Bolton's nomination signals the Bush Administration's intention to use the U.N. to legitimize an attack against Iran - something most of the world surely wants to avoid. A challenge to Bolton's credentials may be a tactic to stall or delay a U.S. push toward a resolution authorizing force against Iran. Some members may welcome this opportunity to make their influence felt on this little-known committee, rather than risk an open vote challenging the United States in the General Assembly.

(snip)

Bolton's appointment to the U.N. is perhaps most alarming as he is a principal leader of the neocon faction that has been most aggressively pushing the Bush administration toward military action intended to overthrow the government of Iran. Bush's move to appoint him during a Congressional recess is likely to be taken as sign that U.S.-Iranian relations have entered a dangerous new phase. This is not a welcome development by the vast majority of U.N. members.

(snip)

I feel sure that this is all related to the Franklin/AIPAC spy scandal, where US military information was passed to Israeli agents. I also strongly suspect that the outing of Ambassador Wilson's wife was NOT primarily to discredit him but to disable the Middle East WMD intelligence-gathering work of the CIA front company through which she worked, Brewster-Jennings. The Bush cabal wants to lie about Iranian WMDs and cover their own secret dealings in the area.

THERE ARE MANY, MANY MORE PIECES. I AM NOT GOING TO INCLUDE MORE NOW BECAUSE THIS POST IS GETTING TOO LONG.

As you say, the pieces are now in place. No wonder they wanted Bolton in place to disrupt the UN and pring the invasion plans along. No wonder they wanted an honest, patriotic man like Gen. Byrnes out of the picture where he could not whistle-blow. No wonder Cheney moved to set up a plan where any domestic "terror" attack would automatically result in an attack on Iran, with no effort made to find who really launched it. And I do fear a domestic terror MIHOP to bolster support for the Iran attack.

I'm betting that this is all planned is planned before Congress settles back into full session in early September - they might get in the way, after all. And you say all military shore leaves are cancelled after August 7?

I'm very, very afraid.

[Lerkfish]

44. actually, I may be wrong about the canceled leaves...

someone asked for a source and darned if I couldn't find one on a credible site.
I thought I had seen that on a credible site, but I can't find it now.
btw, if any of y'all find one, please post it. Until then, I'm goingt to consider that part unsubstantiated.

back to the rest of your post, yeah, there was a lot more I could of put in that I already knew about, but I wanted to be reasonable in length.
Luckily, enough other posters, like yourself, have ponied up the additional info, which is great.

thanks!

[Nothing Without Hope]

45. I'm afraid that few people will read enough to see the full picture. I

googled on the cancelled leaves - I'd heard that rumor too - but so far haven't found anything. I do think the move to attack would be more likely when Congress is not in session or has just returned and is not yet settled in.

[darkstar]

47. Thanks for that compilation, NWH

:toast:

And to you too lerkfish. :hi:

[Nothing Without Hope]

48. I'm glad to see that someone is reading this. I am afraid that too few

here realize that all these pieces are in place, as lerkfish says. Unless all the other major nations manage to talk sense into the neocons - which is a difficult proposition given their monomania - I am afraid something terrible will happen.

I'm thinking I should wait until this thread falls off the Greatest page and then compile the highlights and post again, leaving the new link in this thread.

The very evanescent nature of DU posts, now compounded with the difficulty and time spent getting to the Greatest Page, means that even significant info-filled threads are seen too briefly if they are seen at all. It's the single greatest weakness of the great DU format, and we need to come up with ways to address it. One is to give all threads making it to the Greatest Page the same amount of time once they are there - that way important threads that took a long time to be discovered can have time to get the votes that show that they are important. Otherwise, the 24-hour clock from POSTING to the end of recommendations being accepted runs out too soon. There must be other things that can be done to make important threads more visible for longer and easier to find and scan through after they pass off the Greatest Page.

[Lerkfish]

53. That would be great if you did.

recompile this list, I mean.

[StefanX]

54. I agree

There's a lot of important stuff on DU - we need to make sure it gets SEEN.

Also, if something major happens, it's too easy to "flood" General Discussion with other distracting threads.

I bet there's already a cadre of Freepers on DU who have accumulated 1000 posts and are ready to "flood" GD if anything important happens.

We need a more wiki-like format. Stuff shouldn't rise to the top just because it gets lots of posts. Whenever someone talks about religion, sexuality or race it's guaranteed to get 100+ posts. We need to make sure we don't become like cable, with their endless stories about sexual deviants and missing white women.

[snot]

62. What if duration depended on no. of nominations?--

And we could keep re-nominating the ones we felt to be of continuing imptc?

[Nothing Without Hope]

67. That sounds interesting. There could be a set amount of time ALL

posts stayed on the Greatest Page after getting there - to accumulate a number of nominations that gives some indication of the readers' view of its importance. Then, threads that got, say, 10, 20, or 30+ recommendations could have increasing amounts of 'bonus" time added to the standard. I like this idea.

There also needs to be a way for people to scan or search just threads on the Greatest Page.

[Nothing Without Hope]

72. I've elaborated on this idea in this post, which is in a thread on how

to address the short visibility time and difficulty of getting important posts seen at DU:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2038611&mesg_id=2039067

See what you think.

[TrogL]

46. Problem - they lost the base in Azerbijam (sp?)

...that was the jumping off point for Afghanistan. They still need that pipeline.

[Twist_U_Up]

49. cancell

[Nothing Without Hope]

50. At least this time, the UK shows signs of not wanting to come along:

London Times: Britain keeps distance from talk of strike on Iran
Thread title: London Times: Britain keeps distance from talk of strike on Iran

Let's hope very hard that other major countries around the world are making it very clear to the US, UK and Israel that a pre-emptive attack against Iran will NOT be tolerated. And let's also hope that the criminal crazies in charge of the WH and the Pentagon don't manage to pull off another domestic MIHOP or LIHOP - maybe nuclear this time - to "justify" an Iranian invasion.

[Nothing Without Hope]

113. oops - forgot to give the link to the thread I cite about London keeping

its distance from talk of a strike on Iran. Here it is:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1699998

[tabasco]

51. Not enough ground forces. Not even close.

Sorry, but we only have ten active army divisions. Mostly bogged down in the other two wars. Ar you suggesting that all these units will be pulled off of their current missions and sent to stage in Iraq? That staging, in itself, would take months, so the invasion would hardly be a secret.

Before you see another major ground invasion, you will see a draft for many months and the activation of the entire IRR. I am in the IRR and have not been called up for this invasion yet.

FYI - battalions of the 82nd have been rotating in and out of Iraq and Afghanistan since the beginning. Two battalions sent to Iraq hardly heralds a big invasion.

I can foresee air strikes, but not a groud invasion. I think air strikes would be almost as insane as attempting a ground attack. Either way, it likely will end up in WW3.

[Lerkfish]

52. 'insane" is the operative word.

you correctly point out this course of action would be insane.

And I am pointing out they intend to embark on this course of action.

Just because their plan is insane has never been a barrier to them in the past.


here's an insane plan for you:

1. plan to regime change Iraq
2. get attacked by 19 hijackers, 16 Saudis., and no Iraqis
3. Blame Iraq. Repeatedly
4. fake intelligence to portray Iraq as an imminent nuclear threat. Attack intelligence personnel who suggest otherwise.
5. fake a report to the UN. Make Colin Powell lie. create a bunch of diagrams that are knowingly false.
6. prevent any diplomatic efforts in Iraq from succeeding. Blame the Leader.
7. Ignore offers by the Leader to resign and turn the country over to avoid invasion
8. Force or Bribe small insignificant countries to become the "coalition of the willing".
9. Declare Pakistan, who helped fund and train the guy behind 9/11, as a friend of the state and allow them to protect a nuclear arms dealer selling illicit nuclear devices worldwide.
10. Forget to find Osama, say he's not important


I could go on, but you get the picture.

would you say this was a sane, or insane policy?

[tabasco]

56. I'm only looking at the feasibility of a military operation.

It was feasible to invade Iraq because most of our military was not engaged, and Iraq had virtually no organized mech forces or air force due to the first Iraq war.

So a military invasion of Iraq, while unjustified, was not insane.

Iran is much larger county, with much more difficult terrain, and a very large and powerful military. With our divisions largely occuped in Iraq and Afghanistan, a successful ground invasion is not feasible. Therefore, to attempt it would be beyond audacious, it would be insane.

[bananas]

57. The plan isn't to invade

The plan is to bomb strategic targets,
then the oppressed people will rise up and overthrow their mullahs.
No U.S. troops needed. The neo-cons really believe this.

Also, you're forgetting what the neo-con goal is: to destroy any country that might become a threat. It doesn't matter if the new government is stable, or if civil war breaks out. As long as they don't have the infrastructure to develop nuclear or biochem weapons, the attack was a success.

[tabasco]

59. The OP is discussing a ground invasion.

That's who is was responding too.

In my post I stated that air strikes are possible, but that a ground attack is extremely unlikely. Maybe you missed that part.

Air strikes would be a colossal blunder of historical scale. If we think we are a pariah state now, we would becompletely isolated in the world after an attack on Iran.

I am aware of the neocon goals. I am also aware that the neocons do not operate in a vacuum. There are other players such as China, who holds an enormous amount of our debt. Air strikes on Iran would result in the Chinese completely destroying our currency and economy. That would hurt the neocons, so I'm really not convinced they are crazy enough for the air strikes.

[bananas]

61. You're right

It was the last item in his "already done" list.
He used the word "invasion" above that, but sometimes people say "invade" when they mean "attack", so maybe I misunderstood that.
I'm hoping enough roadblocks are thrown up that they don't attack.

[Lerkfish]

80. to clarify: I think they're thinking a massive bombing first...

you're correct that I think "attack" can also just mean air sorties in the beginning..
The exact makeup of the attack can vary, but here is how I think it will go...

I think the whole "shock and awe" thing in Iraq was practice.

I think this time it would include dropping MOABS on cities and tactical nukes on nuke facilities, or just plain full scale nukes.

then, because of the paratrooper unit, I think they think they can drop in troops behind enemy lines in the confusion and take over, THEN the ground troops can swarm in.

My to do list was not necessarily in chronological order, but a laundry list.

Do I think its a sane course of action? of course not, I think its completely insane. Its why they have to be stopped!

[bananas]

55. The Republicans lost Iraq, they'll lose Iran and WW3 too

They're real good at starting wars,
but lousy at winning them.

"The Republicans lost Iraq. . . The Republicans lost Iraq. . ."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2037550&mesg_id=2037550

[Nothing Without Hope]

75. The neocons might START such a war, but we would ALL lose it. n/t

[TheModernTerrorist]

77. I don't think it was EVER about winning Iraq

think about it, they now have Iran outflanked on both sides. The only option for the Iranians, should we decide to go in and force them out, would be to entrench themselves in the safest places they have, in their cities. WELL, since we know that at least 4 MOABs, not to mention the hundreds of tons of other explosives and munitions in the region (including Israel's stash), the US could simply force them to entrench and hide and build up a strong defense, and in essence corner them, and bomb them all to death. Do the neocons care? no. Why would they?

[Nothing Without Hope]

68. Ground forces: diversion of some, including the elite paratroopers, from

US forces already in the Middle East, plus some from Israel, plus some from inside Iran (at least the neocons would be counting on them - gretting us with roses, remember?)

And then there's this:



I'm wondering whether the very disturbing assertions in the following article are true. Does anyone have them from a more solid, reputable source? The disturbing allegations first surfaced in, of all places, The American Conservative.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2005/020805nukeiran.htm

Cheney Calls For US to Nuke Iran

Greg Szymanski/American Free Press | August 2 2005

A number of political observers and activists today sounded “a red alert” after allegations surfaced this week that Vice President Dick Cheney has ordered Strategic Command (STRATCOM) to make contingency plans for a nuclear strike against Iran in the aftermath of another “9-11 type attack” on the United States.

Cheney’s orders first surfaced in an article by Philip Geraldi in the Aug 1, 2005, issue of American Conservative. Geraldi was unavailable for comment, but excerpts of the article went on to say:

“Vice President Cheney’s office has specifically told the Pentagon that the military should be prepared for an attack on Iran in the immediate aftermath of ‘another 9-11.’ ”

However, that’s “not conditional on Iran actually being involved in the act of terrorism directed against the United States,” notes Geraldi’s article.
(snip - there is much more)

[achtung_circus]

58. You need to get out more.

• CIA is purged of nonloyalists and replaced with loyalists in key positions...check
Ongoing, and, sadly, SOP for this administration.

• 8 billion dollars earmarked for Iraq reconstruction waylaid...check
(that can finance a lot of black ops)
A billion here and a billion there and pretty soon you're talking real money

• set up 14 permanent militarys bases in Iraq that can be used as operation HQs for future invasions...check

• Bolton is force-installed in a rush...check
• Bolton wastes no time to start mucking with UN immediately....check
• Bolton becomes impatient with UN inspections on Iran's nuclear program...check
• Bolton chides the UN that there is limited time (why? what's the hurry?)...check
Why Bolton? Why does it matter? Any US Ambassador will do precisely what his President will tell him to do. If that means a veto, so be it. Bolton's purpose is longer term.

• Nonloyal generals who might be in opposition to an invasion of Iran (or worse), fired or forced to resign...check
Ongoing, and, sadly, SOP for this administration.

• Planted news reports give impression Iran is shipping conventonal weapons to Iraq insurgents...check.
Yeah, a couple of guys with a box of dynamite. No one believed it and it hgot NO traction. That's still on your to-do list.

• Planted news reports give impression Iran is making nuclear weapons....check
Sure, except that estimates are no sooner than 5 years for an Iranian bomb. The IAEA has called Washington on this one, and people are paying more attention to the IAEA since the last clusterfuck.
The US claim of enriched uranium on centrifuges purchased from Pakistan has been demonstrated to be bullcrap.
"Iran claimed vindication Tuesday after tests by the United Nations nuclear agency concluded that traces of highly enriched uranium found on centrifuge parts at two sites in Iran were from imported equipment, rather than any enrichment activities by Iran.

The findings by the International Atomic Energy Agency supported Iran's statements that the material entered the country with parts provided by Pakistan.

The discovery of the traces had previously been cited by the United States as evidence Iran was experimenting with producing highly enriched uranium, which is used only in nuclear weapons."
<http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articles/2005/08/25/irans_president_keeps_door_open_to_talks_on_nuclear_program/>

• Black OPs CIA agents forment insurgency in Iran through dissident network...check
Please explain. The US has trouble finding interpreters for Iraq which speaks a more common language than Farsi.

• All military leaves canceled or not allowed after 9/7.....check
So you say.

• Bushes gather "friendly" reporters to a barbque where they have to sign a nondisclosure form as a "thank you' for loyalty thus far, to discuss something secret and get their stories in order.....check


• 700 new soldiers sent to Iraq to help with prison duties (yeah, right, they're paratroopers...hmm)...check
http://www.rantburg.com/poparticle.php?D=2005-08-18&ID=...
• 2.000 New soldiers sent to Iraq to help with election and constitution concerns (yeah, right)...check
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N24635667.htm
• Therefore nearly 3,000 new troops arrive under "benign" auspices, but available to immediately redeploy once arrived and add to existing troops in Iraq (160,000 that we're allowed to know about) to begin preparations for the ground invasion of Iran....check.
3,000 troops is less than 1 brigade. Do some research on Iran's military. Start here: <http://www.tau.ac.il/jcss/balance/Iran.pdf>
Do some research on Iran. Start here: <http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ir.html> or start with one very basic fact.
Population: 68,017,860 (July 2005 est.)

TO DO:
• Stage third Pearl Harbor on American soil and blame the Iranians

• Launch limited tactical nuke "bunker buster" bombs on Iran nuke plants

• Launch incursions into Iranian territory with enlarged ground forces.

• drop MOAB bombs on Iranian cities (these bombs were offloaded into Iraq during the beginning of the war and never yet used...I think at least 4)
Do some research on just what a MOAB is. Start here: <http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/moab.htm>

Sorry, not buying this one (at this time)

[bloom]

65. MoABs

Sounds like your link supports what the OP says - so I don't know what your point is there. (Maybe I missed it :shrug: )

I think it's coming. That is what they (Bush&Co.) seem to want people to think, anyway.

:nuke:

[Lerkfish]

81. confused me too. I fully understands what MOABs are.

:shrug:

[achtung_circus]

82. And you consider the presence of 4 of them

evidence of first strike coming?

OK then, here's more ammunition for you- American soldiers- they've got (gasp- HAND GRENADES.

[Lerkfish]

85. LOL,I think I laid out a lot more things than that.

I did give a list of twenty things or so, and others have provided more

but I'll give you the best one: They've done it before, and in exactly the same way, for exactly the same reason.

Is there some reason you need to marginalize this thread?

[Name removed]

97. Deleted message

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[Lerkfish]

99. have a nice day!

:shrug:

[stevietheman]

76. If this does transpire, I do hope that the American people...

will do what is necessary to purge the administration. I'll leave it up to the American people to decide what "purge" means.

[sistersofmercy]

136. OK so officially they're saying MOAB's weren't used but...

they also officially denied the use of Mark 77s at first. They denied it until the Pentagon was confronted with irrefutable proof. Btw, the reports in the beginning were citing use of Napalm which of course was denied. When inquiries persisted,a statement was finally released in typical fashion, "Oh those bombs! Well those weren't napalm but we understand the confusion. Those were Mark 77s, they are like napalm but contain a slightly different mix of juices but not Napalm." Sneaky fuckers! I'd like to see a direct quote denying the use of MOAB's from the Pentagon. Not some statement paraphrased or interpreted by a reporter.

[Boxerfan]

60. Did anybody mention the pre-rigged explosives on ALL IRANIAN OIL PIPES?

From what I've heard they have the capability to destroy their oil production facilities at a moments notice. Their version of a trump card. We bomb them it will take years to re-establish the facilities.
Think oil prices are bad now??

[Nothing Without Hope]

69. I haven't heard this about Iranian oil infrastructure, but about SAUDI oil

infrastructure. Here's the article, which describes an entire book on the topic. I don't know if it's true, but it is surely scary and believable of the Saudi Royal Family. To craft a "poison pill" last-ditch deterrent to their removal from power - yes, I can see them doing this. That doesn't mean it's true - I wish I knew if it IS true:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/thenewswire/archive/2005/05/embargoed-book-claims-sau_1.html
HUFFINGTON POST EXCLUSIVE:

EMBARGOED BOOK CLAIMS SAUDI OIL INFRASTRUCTURE RIGGED FOR CATASTROPHIC SELF-DESTRUCTION

Huffington Post | EXCLUSIVE | Posted May 9, 2005 06:15 AM

According to a new book exclusively obtained by the Huffington Post, Saudi Arabia has crafted a plan to protect itself from a possible invasion or internal attack. It includes the use of a series of explosives, including radioactive “dirty bombs,” that would cripple Saudi Arabian oil production and distribution systems for decades.

Bestselling author Gerald Posner lays out this “doomsday scenario” in his forthcoming “Secrets of the Kingdom: The Inside Story of the Saudi-US Connection” (Random House).

According to the book, which will be released to the public on May 17, based on National Security Agency electronic intercepts, the Saudi Arabian government has in place a nationwide, self-destruction explosive system composed of conventional explosives and dirty bombs strategically placed at the Kingdom’s key oil ports, pipelines, pumping stations, storage tanks, offshore platforms, and backup facilities. If activated, the bombs would destroy the infrastructure of the world’s largest oil supplier, and leave the country a contaminated nuclear wasteland ensuring that the Kingdom’s oil would be unusable to anyone. The NSA file is dubbed internally Petro SE, for petroleum scorched earth.

(snip)

According to the NSA intercepts, Petro SE was devised by the Saudis because of their overriding fear that if an internal revolt or external attack threatened the survival of the House of Saud, the U.S. and other Western powers might abandon them as the Shah of Iran was abandoned in 1979. Only by having in place a system that threatened to create crippling oil price increases, political instability and economic recessions did the royal family believe it could coerce Western military powers to keep them in power.

(snip)

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

71. This is not a question...

...of if, but when. Scary.

http://karlandkinggeorge.com/Persias_Mandate.html

[Nothing Without Hope]

73. Scary, yes, but we can't be paralyzed - WE HAVE TO BE VERY NOISY

about the dangers of the possible domestic MIHOP/LIHOP and the US and/or Israel with US support attacking of Iran.

There need to be LTTEs and many letters to congress and much spreading of the word. The neocons are hoping that we are sleeping while they finalize their preparations. So we must wake up the country to this urgent danger!

[Nothing Without Hope]

78. I believe we need to show the public the reasons to FEAR the Bush

Administration, that it will be more effective than just showing our ANGER. Many US citizens are beginning to be afraid that the neocons are out of control and capable of doing terrible things. We need to show them that this is TRUE.

The neocons can dismiss our anger - we're just a bunch of nattering liberals, right?

But showing the public the excellent reasons to distrust and FEAR the neocons - that they can't rebut because the truth is all against them.

We need to combine progressive, postive ideas for the future - a WORKABLE, PRACTICAL PLAN, not just slogans - with the reasons why the Bush Administration threatens the US and the world with terrible things and has already brought many of them about. Anger is not enough, though it is surely part of what is needed and a good source of energy.

[Nothing Without Hope]

79. kick n/t

[unhappycamper]

86. Add a few more:

• Mass detention procedures put into place.......check
  http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4179456
  
• Test new crackdown procedures..................check
  http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&q=UT%2Brave&btnG=Search
  http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&q=pittsburg%2Bdogs%2Bprotest&btnG=Search
  
• Create and test crowd control weapons..........check
  http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=crowd%2Bcontrol%2Bweapons&btnG=Google+Search
  

[rasputin1952]

91. OK, call me an optimist....

I cannot see the US Military taking over the country, and the US becoming a 'Police State'. Sure the possibility exists, but the nature of the American People, of whom the military is comprised, will not allow this to happen. Divisions would lay down their arms, rather than attack citizens, or corral them up to put them in 'detention centers' enmasse.

I agree that the surreptitious aspects set up a situation where many ugly things could happen, but an outright coup is pretty well out there. Thgings should never have gotten to the point where we should even think about this, but so many things have happened under this administration, it is hard not to look at some kind of wierd scenario, but I really don't think this is in the cards.

The main thing we shold all be working on is ensuring that voting is accountable, and returning the Houses of Congress back into Dem hands in '06. We need to stop this guy in his tracks. He's already facing dissention from the GOP, now we must come together and get D's elected in Congress.

[Lerkfish]

93. I think talking openly about the possibility is the best way to stop it

If they think they can act in secret, and no one will notice, the probability of them doing it is higher.

this is my small contribution: to read the tea leaves and openly discuss the possibility.
If that stops or delays them, great.

[Nothing Without Hope]

103. I agree - we have to publicize this widely. I also think that showing the

public the excellent reasons why the Bush Administration should be feared will be far more effective in getting their attention than only showing our anger. Here are two EXTREMELY important reasons to publicize this and talk about this as widely as possible. Lerkfish is right, I believe, allowing them to keep this secret makes it more likely to happen.

[windbreeze]

104. In response

May I remind everyone that when our boys/gals go to boot camp.. they are trained. They are trained to obey orders, do as they are told, with NO back talk..they are taught they no longer have minds of their own, that they belong to the us. gov't...who will tell them how to think, and how to act, from this point forward, what they can and can not do, and they will obey or be punished.

Next..the Rave concert, outside SLC Utah last week-end, and what happened there was discussed on these boards, because this is where I found out about it..anyone watch that video? Men in combat/full military/swat whatever you care to call it, gear, fully dressed for combat, and fully armed with assault weapons, batons, and whatever else, descended upon unarmed citizens holding a concert supposedly on private property, with the help of helicopters... some people were beaten to the ground, and some were literally beaten by a ratio of 4/5 armed men on 1 unarmed man...now true, I don't know the whole story...but I know what I watched..and I was horrified to think that could happen in America...in that manner...who knows who it was? Did any of the people affected stop to get badge numbers? Where would they have gotten all the police that were involved..or was it police and someone else?/militia?...I don't have a clue how many police there actually are in that particular area..about an hour from SLC...

Now think back...does anyone remember that sting a couple months ago?...involving everyone from feds on down to local police forces that took place nationwide, in a supposed effort to round up 10,000 alleged criminals...The story didn't stay in the news long...I have wondered, whether it was done for purposes other than rounding up suspected criminals...to indicate it could be done?...to show all forces could work together to round up hordes of people or a particular group all at once?..and why didn't they gloat over their accomplishment longer than they did..??? Is it possible we are we being conditioned to accept those kinds of actions?

I am not trying to incite any riots...I am trying to remind everyone of things we shouldn't forget...and I hope to hell, they aren't an indication of what's to come down the road...I hope all of this is a daydream, and we are going to wake up and find that it really isn't possible at all..not here...not in our country...and also to mention at the same time, we also don't want to be caught asleep at the wheel..
windbreeze

[Nothing Without Hope]

112. One thing I really wonder about: what is the REAL reason why they want

to move all those military bases? It's been shown that the reason given - to save money - is a lie, and in fact the amount they CLAIM to save is very small relative to what they spend on their Middle East wars. But even that is a lie - it will save little and may even end up COSTING.

So why are they doing this? I sure wish people more knowledgeable than me would look into this. My best guess is that they want to consolidate the military in GOP-dominated strongholds, many of which happen to be around the Bible belt, in the South.

Here's the original thread I set up on the base moving plan - check out the maps; the ones for the article downthread are better.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1782877&mesg_id=1782877
Thread title: LAT: Military base closings will shift troops to the South- POLITICS!!!

and here's the current thread on how they are letting Thune off the hook by leaving Ellsberg in South Dakota. Guess what - they had planned to move all the big bombers to Texas. But South Dakota isn't Dem territory, either, as Daschle will tell you.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2039290
Thread title: LA Times: Ellsworth AF Base in S Dakota to remain open, Thune's ass saved

I sure wish people would look more deeply at the military consolidation that the neocons are planning to pull off. It's going to happen soon, too - starting next year, I think. I'm thinking nervously that it might make martial law and dissent suppression easier.

[windbreeze]

115. Base Closings....

You and I are on the same page...we already know it isn't about money, as in the sense of saving any...hell, common sense blows that out of the water..

What I question most of all, is taking the Nat'l Guard and consolidating them into or onto regular military confines...IF I recall correctly, the Nat'l Guard is the institution designated for protection of the American people and our constitution from foreign or DOMESTIC enemies within OUR borders...In other words, to protect us, we the people, from our own gov't if the need ever arose...so if you dismantle them as a separate entity...then how do they function, should protection for the people, from DOMESTIC enemies, become necessary? They don't, that's how..
In my mind, taking any action to put the Nat'l Guard under the auspices of standard military should be fought against tooth and nail....and the closing any of even ONE of their facilities nationwide should be scrutinized intensely..There is more to this, than meets the eye..or is being written...

That it's political is without question...but what's the actual political agenda the geographical relocation of bases is intended to enhance..???? That IS the question..
windbreeze

[Lerkfish]

120. I wonder if it is intended to consolidate under fewer, controlled

Base Commanders: those in step with the administration objectives.
That would be consistent with the purgings that have already occurred.
consolidations also eliminate by default whoever that commmander is from his position (meaning location position, not rank), and place his command under someone else.

Base closings in time of "war" is not a usual strategy.

[windbreeze]

124. Question

Originally, this was being sold as a way to save money, correct? That theory was debunked, almost immediately..which means, saving money was/is a smoke screen for some other unspoken intent..

yes, closing bases is an effective way to eliminate certain people, but it's a cost prohibitive way to target any one or a group of officers in particular, when they could just force people to retire, or flat out dismiss them on cooked up charges...

We need to protect the National Guard...we should not accept any excuse they give for closing armories, and putting the Guard under the regular military. I am quite sure they realize the guard is OUR only protection against them..so perhaps elimination of that protection is the real intent, along with creating super bases, from which large contingencies could be disbursed easily to handle any mass uprisings, or whatever...IMO, there is far more to this whole thing, than what meets the eye..
windbreeze

[Nothing Without Hope]

129. I agree with this - THE US DOMESTIC MILITARY REORGANIZATION IS AIMED

AT CONSOLIDATING THE NEOCONS' POWER.

As windbreeze points out, the National Guard, which is intended to protect from DOMESTIC enemies and aid in disasters such as hurricanes, has been stolen and is being used for cannon fodder in Iraq. This has made it unavailable to protect the citizens of the US as it was designed to do.

Further, National Guard recruitmant is down - what if that is part of the plan? The neocon cabal wants to control the mililtary using their own chain of command and troops who are unlikely to reject ANY orders.

We should stop just calling this huge plan "base closings" - we should call it what it truly is: MASSIVE REORGANIZATION OF DOMESTIC US MILITARY AND NATIONAL GUARD TO PROMOTE CONSOLIDATION UNDER ADMINISTRATION CONTROL.

How long until they declare martial law by the executive branch of the administration? I believe THIS is part of what is behind the massive military reorganization.

WE MUST RAISE INTEREST AND CONCERN ABOUT THIS!!!

Even among the progressives, there is failure to grasp the enormity of the neocons' plans. Too many don't realize that these people will stop at NOTHING to extend and consolidate their power. They ALREADY have stolen elections and crippled the ability of Congress and the judicial branch to stop them. Why can't progressives SEE that dismantling of the plowers of the legislative and judicial branches of the government has only BEGUN? Dissent will become even more dangerous and finally illegal.

[donsu]

94. kick

nt

[darkstar]

95. Kickety-kick

:kick:

Thanks folks.

[Nothing Without Hope]

96. kick n/t

[NVMojo]

102. shit, I hate it when their actions appear so logical and I really hate the

media whores at bush's piss trough..

[BrklynLiberal]

105. Tinfoil hat....or not?

[Imagevision]

106. Well, we'll findout soon enough

Military leaves cancelled after 9/7?

[Lerkfish]

117. That's probably a pervasive rumor...see other posts in the thread.

I have been unable to track that down in credible sources, sorry about that.

[earth mom]

107. KICK!

:kick:

[jsamuel]

109. Lookie here: Spy plane in Iran crashes

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/middleeast/2005/August/middleeast_August807.xml§ion=middleeast&col=

Drone crashes in Iran, say reports
(AFP)

TEHERAN — An unmanned single-engined plane has crashed in a mountainous area of western Iran and the wreckage has been recovered by the Iranian armed forces, Iranian newspapers said yesterday.


It was not clear if the plane was Iranian or foreign, although the influential Kayhan newspaper pointed out that “usually these sort of planes are used for spying on other countries”.

The reports quoted Ali Asgar Ahmadi, deputy head of security in the interior ministry, as saying the plane went down on Thursday in the Alashtar mountains near the city of Khorramabad, the capital of Lorestan province, 350 kilometres southwest of Teheran.

The hardline Kayhan newspaper said that as soon as the plane crashed, police sealed off the area — just 150 kilometres from the border with Iraq — and “a group of experts from Kermanshahr airbase went to examine the fuselage”.

“It is under investigation,” a local official quoted as saying. No further details were given.

[Lerkfish]

118. yup. another piece on the board. thanks for posting that! nt

[milkyway]

110. Great thread throughout! Kicked.

[Independent_Liberal]

111. Kick!

[CanOfWhoopAss]

116. Check out this from bushflash earlier this year

A must see!!

http://www.bushflash.com/signals.html

[Lerkfish]

119. Everyone MUST SEE this buzzflash!!

thanks for posting that! chilling.

[Nothing Without Hope]

132. It is an EXCELLENT video - It's Bushflash, not Buzzflash and is not to be

missed! It's about all the obvious signs that the Administration is planning to attack Iran - there are chilling similarities to what they said before attacking Iraq.

[Lerkfish]

133. oops, sorry about the typo. nt

[thecrow]

121. Kickety kick kick

kick kick!

[moodforaday]

123. more kick (nt)

:kick:

[Nothing Without Hope]

125. I hope lots of people read through all this thread and looked at the links

There is very good reason to believe that what is described here will happen if the neocons are not stopped. Much publicity is needed - for the neocons will not stop at mass murder and a possible WW III to pursue their insane - and I mean BUGNUTS - goals.

[Lerkfish]

126. I agree.

I saved a web archive to my computer last night, so it doesn't just disappear.

[Lerkfish]

127. don't know if self-kicking works, but kickety kick

:kick:

[Nothing Without Hope]

128. Self-kicking does work, and here's another kick from me. I've been

intensely concerned about the neocons' plans to invade Iran for some time, have posted on it more than once. I was very glad to see the post and it kept getting more valuable as the replies extended the discussion and documentation.

Kicking the thread - wish I could kick this into the consciousness of all US citizens. The rest of the world is far more aware of this great danger than the people paralyzed by the suppressions and propaganda of the Poodle Press. And even when they hear of this and the other dangers from the neocons, there are too many that REFUSE to listen:

This Tom Tomorrow cartoon is from this page:
http://www.workingforchange.com/comic.cfm?itemid=19426

[Nothing Without Hope]

130. This is such an important thread, so full of content and important points

It is a shame to let it disappear. There should be a way of keeping threads like this more accessible and visible.

:kick:

[Nothing Without Hope]

131. Please don't let this extremely important thread be lost in all the other

stories. We ignore it at our peril.

[Nothing Without Hope]

134. Kick - this is so very important n/t

[Mnemosyne]

135. Too important to lose! n/t

:kick:

[Nothing Without Hope]

137. kick - very important synthesis thread. n/t

[Nothing Without Hope]

138. A major reason for New Orlean's terrible situation was that the money was

moved from the needed levee reinforcement into Homeland Security and the Iraq War:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2050029

With all the billions of unaccounted cash in Iraq - how much has been set aside for the "regime change" in Iran? Bribes and military force - it all takes money. Before the Iraq War, the Bushies moved money needed to capture Bin Laden and round up his operation in the Afghanistan war and secretly spent it on unauthorized actions in Iraq.

History repeats itself. Again.