Which foreign government do you think BushCo is ACTUALLY working for?

[FormerRepublican]

It's obvious they're not working for America. But as I watch their idiotic antics, I ponder which country it is that they ARE working for. Sometimes I think it's Israel. Sometimes I think it's the Saudis. Sometimes I think it's just that virtual country called Bush country (and I'm not talking about Texas or the 'puke party base).

If you had to make a guess, which country do you think the Bush Administration is REALLY working for?

[smoogatz]

1. If the outcome in Iraq is any indication

Iran.

[1932]

2. The Republic of Shell ExxonMobi lHalliburton Bechtel Brow&Root Enron...

[mzteris]

10. short name

Carlyle Group

[Al-CIAda]

3. Big mistake to think they are working for ANY government.

Alex Jones' new documentary. Martial Law: 9/11 Rise of the Police State exposes the high-tech control grid that is being set up across America Out of the ashes of the September 11th tragedy, a dark empire of war and tyranny has risen. The Constitution has been shredded and America is now a Police State. This film exposes not just who was behind the 9-11 attacks, but the roots and history of its orchestrators. The entire documentary is 2 hours and 35 minutes in duration but has been spit into 3 parts.

Part-I
http://radio.indymedia.org/uploads/alex_jones_-_martial_law_911__1_of_3_.wmv
Part-II
http://radio.indymedia.org/uploads/alex_jones_-_martial_law_911__2_of_3_.wmv
Part-III
http://radio.indymedia.org/uploads/martial_law_p03_bb.wmv

[Eloriel]

11. Can you say more about the high tech control grid?

I just can't seem to view most videos and stuff on my machine. Thanks.

[wli]

15. "control grid" is a poor choice of words for what it really is

What it really adds up to is various oppressive infrastructure and social control measures. For instance, surveillance at the workplace, surveillance in the streets. The "cashlessness" is really purchase tracking and location tracking via logging of credit card etc. transactions.

I'm not sure whether it's exaggerated or not. It doesn't really look consciously constructed to me, but it is a real phenomenon.

[TheDebbieDee]

4. I think he's working for Isreal......

I originally supported the invasion of Iraq, I thought no one would be crazy enough to LIE about Iraq having WMD.

About 6 weeks after the invasion, it hit me: If Iraq really had had WMD, if the threat had been imminent, then Isreal would have attacked Iraq without delay.

Isreal would not have taken the time to work within the UN and Isreal would have taken the rap to their public image. (I remembered that Isreal had attacked Iraq in the early 80s with no warning because Iraq was building a nuclear power plant.)

Anyway, we wound up invading Iraq on Isreal's behalf. However, I'm sure even the Isrealis couldn't have believed that the * misadministration was inept and incompetent enough to totally screw up the Iraq invasion!

[pocket]

5. Israel and his own pocketbook

though not in that order.

[FormerRepublican]

6. You know, I never thought Israel was stupid.

I've always been a supporter of Israel. At least the Shimon Peres leaning, intelligent side of Israel. And I've always thought Israel was fairly smart.

But if Israel was behind the total screw-up called Iraq, then not only am I extremely ANGRY that our ally could use us in this way and get our guys killed, but I figure they must be imbicilically STUPID.

The US has been Israel's closest ally and has yanked the leash on a number of countries who would have liked to do her in. To have Israel use our government, kill our soldiers, and betry their best ally would be nothing short of criminal. They would lose the support of their closest ally.

Sometimes I wonder if Perle, Feith, et al were just running a rogue operation of their own accord, and Israel is left holding the bag.

If Israel IS behind the falsification of why we went to war in Iraq - Oooh, baby. I can't see an American ever supporting their aid $$$ ever again!

[Al-CIAda]

7. Sibel Edmonds-

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=post&forum=104&topic_id=4421833&mesg_id=4421833

[Brightmore]

14. Iraq is about to become an Islamic republic

How is that helpful to Israel? They were better off with Saddam.

We shouldn't be passing the blame for the disaster in Iraq. It's 100% Bush's fault and his Admin.

[TheDebbieDee]

19. You're right, of course. It's 100% Bush's fault and his Admin!

For being gullible enough to fall for the phony evidence and vision of doom and gloom sold to them by Isreali operatives in the State Department and the CIA.

An Islamic Republic in Iraq isn't what Isreal wanted, though. The Isrealis could never have suspected that the * administration would be inept enough to have made no plans for guiding the newly "liberated" Iraqis toward democracy.

[satya]

8. A coalition of greedy power-hungry ideologues; no geographic boundaries.nt

[librechik]

9. Soviet Russia

in cooperation with a few Nazi elite.

It's been a long time unfolding, and Putin probably isn't a part of it, but look at their goals and tactics. That's Stalinism. Since the beginning of the Cold War these quasi rogue agents have been wheeling and dealing and conniving into the gears of our government ur corporations and other institutions. The fall of Russa made an excellent diversion as they manipulated president after president, from Reagan (a communist agent) on. Well, they're about to win what they wanted: destruction of the US economy, destruction of our military, and control of our weapons. I hope the geezers that made it happen are pleased (they never are, or satisfied)

At least that's what my husband says. I don't know what to think, but I know I don't want to believe we are defeated and over and the totalitarians will win.

[GeorgeBushytail]

12. Hades

[Bluebear]

13. The Kingdom of Carlyle

[Eloriel]

16. Whew. Where to start

From what I can gather (and many other longtime DUers would back me up), there's no "other country" which has their loyalty. Their treason doesn't go in that direction. Put another way: their fealty is to their own self-aggrandizement, which possibly includes plans for global tyrrany.

It's not clear to me whether they are consciously conspiring to make the U.S. a fascist totalitarian regime and then take over the world, or whether that's just the natural direction one goes when one is, at heart, sociopathic fascist through and through.

It's terribly important to understand that the early 20th century industrialists' ties to Nazi Germany (especially, and possibly to Mussolini as well) -- including Prescott Bush -- wasn't just an aberration or a fluke. It was deadly serious. They approved the ideology, and they also saw money to be made and some of them were helping Nazi Germany even well into the war. That's how Grandpa Prescott's business (with the Harriman Brothers) got confiscated under the Trading with the Enemy Act (I think it was). All this is well-documented online in numerous places.

THEN, the war was barely over when the U.S. imported hundreds, possibly thousands, of Nazis into our newly minted CIA because the Nazis hated communism (IMO one hallmark of fascism: just how visceral and total IS your hatred of communism?) and had developed extensive networks of spies, etc., and the CIA wanted that. There were people (the Dulles's) who knew very well what they were doing; Harry Truman did not.

And that was the beginning of a long decline in democracy in the U.S. which we haven't seen the end of yet. The fascists may end up destroying us.

This may sound terribly Tin Foil Hat-y to you: I URGE you not to dismiss it out of hand. I'm going to give you some links to peruse. Do it simply with an open mind, that's all. I couldn't have believed any of this -- in fact, I used to be SO anit-conspiracy theory you wouldn't beleive it, and NOW I know that the FIRST thing that's appropriate is to suspect that you're being lied to, that there's more to the story, that there are ulterior motives, to ask "cui bono?" and "follow the money" and so forth. And ya know what? I'm far more on target when I'm suspicious of all of it than when I'm not.

Anyway, here are some links for you:

Nazi Hydra in America
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/noon.html

Trade With the Third Reich
Annotated bibliography of 50 books
http://www.archives.gov/research_room/holocaust_era_assets/bibliographies/trade_with_third_reich.html
Banking http://www.archives.gov/research_room/holocaust_era_assets/bibliographies/banking.html
(at Holocaust Era Assets, NARA -- main Assets page at http://www.archives.gov/research_room/holocaust_era_assets/bibliographies/banking.html )

The War Years: Part 5: Corporate Traitors
http://home.columbus.rr.com/lfairban/Pages/History.htm

Gold Fillings, Auschwitz & George Bush
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/bushies.htm

Chapter - II - The Hitler Project
Bush Property Seized--Trading with the Enemy (Tarpley)
http://home.columbus.rr.com/lfairban/Pages/History.htm

***** Bush Family - Nazi Dealings - WWII to 1951
by John Buchanan and Stacey Michael
from The New Hampshire Gazette Vol. 248, No. 3, November 7, 2003
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Politicians/Bush_Nazi_Dealings.html
discussed here (with many more links): http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1584497

Operation Paperclip - 3rd World Traveler
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/Operation_Paperclip_file.html

The Ghost of Adolph Hitler: Nazi Influence in America
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/STA310A.html


Mae Brussell: http://www.maebrussell.com/index.html
MAE BRUSSELL'S PICTURE OF THE PENTAGON - THE SPIDER AND THE ODESSA
http://www.newsmakingnews.com/mbspiderweb2,21,83.htm


Ratlines: The CIA and the Nazis (Tarpley)
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/ratlines.htm

CIA's Worst Kept Secret
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2001/051601a.html

Project Paperclip and Camp Evans (in N.J.)
http://www.infoage.org/paperclip.html

Opn Paperclip (Namebase)
http://www.namebase.org/main3/Operation-Paperclip.html


Project Paperclip: Nazi Scientists Who Performed Human Experimentation in the U. S. http://www.dc.peachnet.edu/~shale/humanities/composition/assignments/experiment/paperclip.htm

Project Paperclip and Literal Nazi Connections
http://www.datafilter.com/mc/paperclip.html
Resources on Human Experimentation by Nazi Doctorszi Experimentation
http://www.dc.peachnet.edu/~shale/humanities/composition/assignments/experiment/paperclip.html
and Resources on Nonconsensual Human Experimentation
http://www.dc.peachnet.edu/~shale/humanities/composition/assignments/experiment/paperclip.html

Operation Paperclip Revisited: Moral Schmoral By RICHARD THIEME, August 22, 2003
http://www.counterpunch.org/thieme08222003.html


This may seem off-topic or off-the-wall, but it's fascinating and pertinent IMO:

SHADOW OF THE SWASTIKA:
The Real Reason the Government Won't Debate Medical Cannabis and Industrial Hemp Re-legalization: An Open Letter to All Americans
By R. William Davis
Documented Evidence of a Secret Business and Political Alliance
Between the U.S. "Establishment" and the Nazis -
Before, During and After World War II - up to the Present.
http://www.sumeria.net/politics/shadv3.html

[wli]

20. scarcely "off the wall;" rather, crucial to understanding this crisis n/t

[Karenina]

21. Kick for a "must read" post!

:kick:

[kenny blankenship]

17. The Serene Republic of InCorporatia

Corporations are transnational and chafe at borders. No corporation can understand what is meant by the term patriotism except as something to exploit for money. Rich people want to do as they please here, as in the former "3rd world" countries, without being forced to consult or reckon with "public opinion" or the interests of the majority.

[wli]

18. None; they want to elevate multinational corporations above countries

BCCI was something of a trial run of this. BCCI was stateless, had its own private mercenaries, did its own drug running to get black ops going, and so on and so forth.

The way is goes is that multinational corporations are intended to start working like the "US empire" did from 1898 onward. Send in economic hitmen. If they don't buy that, then send in assassins and/or coup plotters. If that doesn't work, then invade. The goal of the economic policies is to subject the victim country to debt slavery. In this case, they will enslave them to coalitions of corporations acting in the place of the World Bank and IMF.

How does this work if they just wrecked the US military and economy? Well, both those things are intentional. The military has to be wrecked so the country is helpless to defend itself against mercenaries. The economy has to be wrecked to subject the US to debt slavery.

The black ops -based neocon cabal has long been looting the economy by means of its government-enforced monopoly on the illicit drug trade. This in turn is reinvested in what Daniel Inouye described as its own parallel military infrastructure. Given the above, what this means is that "the Company" wants to transform itself into an invisible, possibly even secret, super-BCCI, to be catapulted into the role of primary stakeholder in the IMF and/or World Bank. In this arrangement, "democracy" is to be subverted worldwide into police states via infiltration, coups, or other means, where the "austerity measures" imposed to repay the debt are used to extract the maximum amount of wealth to the upper class while maximally brutalizing the lower classes.

Or at least that's my home-grown conspiracy theory or whatever. I think they may very well be flopping, largely on account of state actors smacking them down in various ways (China and Japan's bond holdings, the Middle East gravitating toward the Euro, etc.).