states pass legislation recognizing an embryo, as victim of homocide

[dajoki]

WP http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/28/AR2005082800981.html?referrer=email

Access to Abortion Pared at State Level

By Ceci Connolly
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, August 29, 2005; Page A01

This year's state legislative season draws to a close having produced a near-record number of laws imposing new restrictions on a woman's access to abortion or contraception.

Since January, governors have signed several dozen antiabortion measures ranging from parental consent requirements to an outright ban looming in South Dakota. Not since 1999, when a wave of laws banning late-term abortions swept the legislatures, have states imposed so many and so varied a menu of regulations on reproductive health care.

Three states have passed bills requiring that women seeking an abortion be warned that the fetus will feel pain, despite inconclusive scientific data on the question. West Virginia and Florida approved legislation recognizing a pre-viable fetus, or embryo, as an independent victim of homicide. And in Missouri, Gov. Matt Blunt (R) has summoned lawmakers into special session Sept. 6 to consider three antiabortion proposals.

While national leaders in the abortion debate focus on the upcoming nomination hearings of Judge John G. Roberts Jr. to the Supreme Court, grass-roots activists have been changing the legal landscape one state at a time. In most cases, the antiabortion forces have prevailed, adding restrictions on when and where women can get contraceptive services and abortions, and how physicians provide them.

Antiabortion activists say they have pursued a two-pronged approach that aimed to reduce the number of abortions immediately through new restrictions and build a foundation of lower court cases designed to get the high court to eventually reverse the landmark 1973 Roe v. Wade decision making the procedure legal.

[Gloria]

1. This borders on the criminal and where are our "leaders???

We're supposed to become chattel, like the woman of Iraq???

I AM SO OUTRAGED!

Meanwhile, we are fed the line that if Roe is reversed, most states will enact laws to protect women's rights... REALLY???? I don't buy it at all.
These RW groups are out-maneuvering us bigtime.

[dajoki]

3. states seem to be initiating it...

roberts nomination is very important. i hope our dem senators don't let him slide in.

[jonnyblitz]

8. sshhh. you will anger the swing voters.

:sarcasm:

[dajoki]

17. the f**kin' swing voters...

you know what i think about the swing voters? ah, i better shut up, before i get myself in trouble,'cause i ain't in the mood right now.

[BattyDem]

2. All these laws protecting the fetus and now, the embryo ...

are going to make it virtually impossible for a woman to do ANYTHING once she becomes pregnant. A car accident, a fall on an icy sidewalk and even sex can cause a miscarriage (in high-risk pregnanices) ... and the woman could be charged with Criminally Negligent Homicide.

I can hear them now:
"She was well aware of the dangers when she decided to walk to the grocery store on a winter's day, but she did it anyway - and caused her own baby's death." or "By having sex, she put her own needs before the needs of her unborn child and caused that child to die."

Pregnant women will no longer be able keep their jobs because employers will not want to risk a lawsuit or criminal charges if she gets hurt at work and she miscarries.

Someone could be sent to jail for HOMICIDE because of the "death" of an embryo, before the embryo develops limbs, a head, a brain, etc. That's NUTS!

Eventually, these laws are going to have implications far beyond abortion rights. I know I may sounds like an alarmist, but think about it ... think about the people we're dealing with and how far they're willing to go. They want women to be breeding machines, period.

[dajoki]

4. #1 hypocrite in senate; santorum & wife considered abortion

full article
http://mysite.verizon.net/lardil/id81.html

The Senator and His Wife Had to Consider an Abortion as She Lay near Death

May 4, 1997

...In the fall, Santorum, the leading proponent of barring the procedure - termed ``partial-birth abortion'' by its foes - was within hours of having to decide whether to use an abortion to save the life of his wife, Karen Garver Santorum, who was in her fifth month of pregnancy.
The Santorums, according to an account written by the senator for today's Commentary Page in The Inquirer, struggled mightily to avoid the abortion option.

Ultimately, they did not have to make a decision; nature made it for them. Karen went into premature labor from an infection, delivering a boy who had a fatal abnormality. The child died two hours later.

In an interview, the Santorums said they would have authorized an abortion had there been no other choice...

[BattyDem]

5. Un-fucking-believable!

:grr:

[dajoki]

7. here's another santorum goodie: wife wins lawsuit

he votes to limit damages for everyone else in the country, but not his wife http://www.valleyskeptic.com/chirosuit.html


Sen. Santorum's wife wins lawsuit
Saturday, December 11, 1999

By Jack Torry, Post-Gazette National Bureau

WASHINGTON -- A Virginia jury last night awarded the wife of Sen. Rick Santorum $350,000 in damages after she charged in a lawsuit that a Virginia chiropracter's negligence caused her permanent back pain.

Deliberating more then six hours after a four-day trial in which Santorum, R-Pa., testified, the Fairfax County Circuit Court jury unanimously ruled for Karen Santorum. She had sought $500,000 against Dr. David Dolberg of Virginia, because of pain from his 1996 treatment of her.

"Mrs. Santorum has been vindicated," said her Pittsburgh attorney Heather Heidelbaugh. "She was injured permanently through the actions of a chiropractor who acted negligently."

Heidelbaugh, with the Pittsburgh law firm of Burns, White & Hickton, said Mrs. Santorum has "permanent back pain" and "permanent numbness" in one leg.

Throughout the trial, Santorum aides declined to provide details. Yesterday, they issued a brief statement from the senator saying: "The court proceedings are a personal family matter. I will not be offering any further public comments, other than that I am not a party to the suit. But I am fully supportive of my wife."

[Chocolatebison]

13. Uhhhhhhhh

"Santorum opposes abortion ``except in the cases of rape, incest or the life of the mother.''

Then how is that being hypocritical?

He flat out said he supports abortions to save the life of the mother.

Tell the whole story.

[dajoki]

14. i think he opposes all abortion...

i never claimed he does or doesn't, i just posted the story because he IS extremely anti choice. btw, the whole story is there, CLICK THE LINK AND READ. NOT THAT DIFFICULT.

[Chocolatebison]

15. I did

and the in the same article where he mentions he and his wife contemplated abortion, it says he supports it when a woman's health is in danger.

How is that hyprocritical?

I don't like the guy either but his wife was in danger according to the story.

Unless the story is BS.

[dajoki]

16. you are wrong...

he makes exception when women's life in danger, but not when health is in danger. WHAT THE FUCK IS THE DIFFERENCE? that, my friend is hypocritical!! LINK-http://www.issues2000.org/Social/Rick_Santorum_Abortion.htm


Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life.
S. 3 As Amended; Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003. Vote to pass a bill banning a medical procedure, which is commonly known as "partial-birth" abortion. Those who performed this procedure would then face fines and up to two years in prison, the women to whom this procedure is performed on are not held criminally liable. This bill would make the exception for cases in which a women's life is in danger, not for cases where a women's health is in danger.

[madeline_con]

28. Hair splitter: there is a difference.

He doesn't mind if it causes years of ill health, but draws the line at the pregnancy actually killing her immediately. :eyes:

[dajoki]

29. but why should the government...

be allowed to tell a woman she must suffer the rest of her life?

[dajoki]

18. story is not BS

what's the difference between a woman's life or health being in danger?
http://www.issues2000.org/Social/Rick_Santorum_Abortion.htm

Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life.
S. 3 As Amended; Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003. This bill would make the exception for cases in which a women's life is in danger, not for cases where a women's health is in danger.

[MountainLaurel]

20. Thank you for making that distinction

This is a vital issue: Who gets to decide when a woman's health is in danger vs. her life being in danger? How about mental health: Being forced to give birth to an encephalitic fetus could cause trauma? Will a Catholic hospital define these terms differently than a public hospital? (See some of the stories about DUers who nearly died because a religious hospital refused to remove an ectopic pregnancy.)

[dajoki]

23. a friend of my wife...

is paralyzed in her right leg since child birth. baby is healthy.

[paineinthearse]

6. Nominated

What is YOUR state legislature doing?

[dajoki]

9. PA, gov ed rendell(d)...

from page #2 of same article.


Not all the restrictive measures came from Republican-controlled states. Democratic governors in Kansas and Pennsylvania signed budgets that steer millions of dollars to organizations that provide alternatives to abortion.

[wli]

10. it's looking too late to emigrate... n/t

[dajoki]

11. kick

[Chocolatebison]

12. West Virginia?

WTF?

That state is virtually all Democrats.

[MountainLaurel]

21. Not anymore

WV has gone red in the past few presidential elections. First they were afraid Al Gore would take their guns away, then it was the prospect of gays marrying that caused them to close their eyes and vote for Bush. They got their eyes opened soon after when Bush went back on the promises he made about black lung disputes, pensions from the steel mills, mountaintop mining.

[dajoki]

26. i'll never forget...

the coal miner in WV being interviewed before the 2000 election. "Gore ain't gonna take my guns away." all i could think was, you are voting against your own interests.

[Southpaw Bookworm]

31. Meet my extended family

Former coal miners whose mine closed five years short of the time they would have been eligible for retirement. Most of them have black lung disease or back problems so bad they can't walk most days. They have high school diplomas and have had problems finding jobs. Their wives, who stayed home to raise children they started having when they were 16. Only one worked outside of the house before she turned 40. Some went to work later, others couldn't because of deibilitating "female troubles" and the fact that now they're taking care of their grandbabies while their daughters and sons work.

Yet, I'd guess that 3/4 of them voted Red: Can't have those queers thinking they can get married and have rights like god-fearing people. :eyes:

[dajoki]

33. that's what i'm talking about...

voting against their own interests. what a shame, if it's not the guns , it's gays.

[Tikki]

19. If embryos are little Americans.....

...Then every women who gets pregnant....even if she is pregnant for only one day....should get an IRS dependent tax write off for that calendar year.

[dajoki]

22. i like that...

smart thinking.:yourock:

[AntiCoup2K4]

24. "homocide"??

Does that mean the embryos were gay? :silly:

[dajoki]

25. OMG misspelling

better start using spellcheck, or the o is right next to the i. that's it finger slipped.

[Fire Walk With Me]

27. Are you kidding me?

You must be kidding me.

[dajoki]

30. no, not kidding...

just read the article.

[NVMojo]

32. spiritual vacumn whack jobs? What do they call the live humans

in NO???