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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:42 AM
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Must read from Salon: "Warning, What Warning?" Unf*cking believable!
Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 11:20 AM by flpoljunkie
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/index.html?blog=/politics/war_room/2005/08/31/warnings/index.html

Warning? What warning?

We made a little joke the other day. George W. Bush was in Crawford, Texas, in August 2001 when he got that presidential daily briefing that said, "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S." He went fishing. So we wondered the other day whether the president had gotten another PDB when he was down in Crawford this August -- one that said, "Hurricane Katrina Determined to Strike in U.S."

Metaphorically speaking, it turns out, Bush did get such a PDB -- and he got it years ago. Experts have warned for years that New Orleans is particularly vulnerable to hurricane damage. And as the folks at the Center for American Progress note, the Federal Emergency Management Agency issued a report in early 2001 that identified the three catastrophes most likely to hit the United States: a terrorist attack on New York, an earthquake in San Francisco and a hurricane in New Orleans.

As of this week, FEMA is now two-for-three. That leads us to think that the residents of the city by the Bay might think about scoring some flashlights and bottled water just about now. But it also leads us to wonder what the Bush administration and the Republican-controlled Congress did with the warning that FEMA provided.

Here's what: They cut funding for flood and hurricane projects planned by the New Orleans district of the Army Corps of Engineers. According to one published report, the New Orleans district had $147 million to spend on such projects in 2001. In fiscal year 2005, which ends next month, the district will have had about $82 million, a drop of about 44 percent. As we reported earlier this week, the Bush administration proposed further cuts for the district for fiscal year 2006.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:44 AM
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1. Kick
nt
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 04:53 PM
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37. Must read link to the article on FEMA 2001 report Salon mentioned.
Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 04:54 PM by flpoljunkie
http://www.hurricane.lsu.edu/_in_the_news/houston.htm

Houston Chronicle 12/01/01

KEEPING ITS HEAD ABOVE WATER
New Orleans faces doomsday scenario

By ERIC BERGER
Copyright 2001 Houston Chronicle Science Writer

New Orleans is sinking.

And its main buffer from a hurricane, the protective Mississippi River delta, is quickly eroding away, leaving the historic city perilously close to disaster.

So vulnerable, in fact, that earlier this year the Federal Emergency Management Agency ranked the potential damage to New Orleans as among the three likeliest, most castastrophic disasters facing this country.

The other two? A massive earthquake in San Francisco, and, almost prophetically, a terrorist attack on New York City.

The New Orleans hurricane scenario may be the deadliest of all.

In the face of an approaching storm, scientists say, the city's less-than-adequate evacuation routes would strand 250,000 people or more, and probably kill one of 10 left behind as the city drowned under 20 feet of water. Thousands of refugees could land in Houston.

Economically, the toll would be shattering.

Southern Louisiana produces one-third of the country's seafood, one-fifth of its oil and one-quarter of its natural gas. The city's tourism, lifeblood of the French Quarter, would cease to exist. The Big Easy might never recover.

much more...really spells it all out
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:45 AM
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2. how the hell do you order an earthquake?
As rove and his ilk ponder falling poll numbers.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:51 AM
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5. a strategically placed underwater "test" might do the trick quite well n/t
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:59 AM
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8. actually, a geologist friend said that a Bond movie got it almost right
If you add enough lubricant (say, millions of gallons of water) the tectonic plates would shift more easily. And presto, I feel the earth move under my feet, I feel the - never mind.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:34 AM
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13. "A View to a Kill"
The movie suggested:

1. Flood a fault, creating hydraulic pressure to help force the fault
apart, and

2. Use a bunch of explosives to blast the highest-friction point on
the fault.

"AVtaK" suggested the Hayward fault. And maybe you need Grace Jones
and Christopher Walken to do it.

Tesha
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:00 AM
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9. Tesla's idea and the military's Project HAARP ?
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lateo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:46 AM
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3. Awww come on...
Don't you just want to go and have a beer with Bush? How can we blame such a straight-shooting, in command President?

*sarcasm*
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:37 PM
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28. Oh yeah, and he's keeping us safe!
Yeah, I love that one. Seems like the kinda guy you can go have a beer with. Yeah. A dry drunk. Excuse me, you're supposed to be okay with the idea of having a beer with a dry drunk?

As I said when I called my congressman's office this morning: I DEFY ANYONE in Hurricane country today to say they feel safer now.
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 05:01 PM
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39. yep. he just gives me the warm fuzzy's.
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cbear70 Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:49 AM
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4. exactly
Kick.
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:51 AM
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6. Recommended.
Bu$h, incompetence is thy middle name.
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carpediem Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:58 AM
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7. the blood will never wash off his hands. n/t
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concord Donating Member (296 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:01 AM
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10. kick and recommended
ugh

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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:11 AM
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11. Actually we were just talking about getting our earthquake supplies
together for us and our son who will be in Santa Cruz. We are on the Hayward fault, expected to be the next big one.

And of course we are blue, so not counting on any good will from Rove Bush crime team.
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:20 AM
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12. DID they cut the funding? Since FEMA was merged into Homeland Security...
so I thought? If so, wouldn't that mean that funding from one could inadvertantly become 'available' to the other?

If that's true, then Natural Disasters could benefit Homeland Security coffers?
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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:47 AM
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14. I believe the 2005-2006 budget forecast an overall cut in
Homeland Security funds. This almost became a campaign issue in November 2004. Almost...
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vickitulsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:07 PM
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15. News just said W is returning to work in part due to "perception"
that he wasn't willing to interrupt his vacation for what is now being called "the worst disaster EVER to strike the United States."

Hmm ... "Perception"??? I can almost hear how he must have resisted advice to cut his time off in Crawford short, pouting at the idea and hollering at his family and advisors: "But I don't WANT to end my vacation early! Being president is HARD WORK and I'm TIRED of it! I want to get on with MY life, ride my bike, and play my guitar!"

I understand it's a fact that funding was indeed cut for engineering research and actual construction work (on levees?) needed to help protect New Orleans from catastrophe if a major hurricane made landfall close to that city. Wasn't that one issue W fell out with Christine Todd Whitman over and in part why she resigned? Not that she's a great hero, to be sure; but still, I seem to recall this issue of New Orleans hurricane/flood protection figuring in to her resignation as EPA head.

Even average American citizens who don't live in the region knew that New Orleans was extremely, dangerously vulnerable to a major hurricane!

I do believe that this president will be excoriated by many observers around the world and written up in history books as utterly irresponsible -- or should that be responsible? -- in relation to the ongoing catastrophe on the Gulf Coast. He could so easily have called in the active duty military (since so many National Guard troops in the affected states are in Iraq instead of in their home states) to assist in evacuation and preparation ahead of time and then assistance *immediately* after Katrina passed through.

FINALLY he is beginning to approve military aid, such as the USN ships beginning their slow trips to the area. But it will take them, and any hospital ships the Navy might also send, almost a WEEK just to get there! The President is the ONLY ONE who could have acted to get ahead of this situation in the preparation stage as Katrina neared the coast strengthening to a Category 5 storm and likewise immediately afterward with a quick and massive rescue and recovery response. Troops should have been moved to be in place should a martial law declaration be necessary, and those same troops could then have jumped into action for rescue efforts the minute the skies cleared.

But what is so obvious is that bringing in the military NOW and any other assistance this incompetent President may offer ARE ACTIONS TAKEN TOO LATE to avert what will inevitably become a horrendous and huge human disaster along the Gulf Coast. The degree to which this catastrophe has been exacerbated and intensified by the DELAY in the President's response will be noted by all who are affected -- and that means all Americans.

There WILL be blood on W's hands; and like with Lady MacBeth, all the oceans incarnadine cannot wash it off. My paraphrase, with apologies to Wm Shakespeare!





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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:17 PM
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24. Excellent post, Vickitulsa.
It's easy to pass the NO damage off as an "act of God" and just forget about the fact that it is the government's job to try and anticipate these things and either prevent or mitigate the damage if possible.

I think George just sat and watched, when he had the power to do so much more.
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Orion The Hunter Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:09 PM
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16. Nice work Salon
Good story - kicked
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:21 PM
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17. Bush is hoping for another trifecta. nt
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Orion The Hunter Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:25 PM
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18. And if you needed more follow-up on Bush's bungling...
Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 12:25 PM by Orion The Hunter
Take a look at this article from the Editor&Publisher, which highlights the timeline of the reduction of federal funding to New Orleans to counter hurricanes:

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001051313
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 01:40 PM
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22. These two paragraphs say it all...
In early 2004, as the cost of the conflict in Iraq soared, President Bush proposed spending less than 20 percent of what the Corps said was needed for Lake Pontchartrain, according to a Feb. 16, 2004, article, in New Orleans CityBusiness.

On June 8, 2004, Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, Louisiana; told the Times-Picayune: "It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can't be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us."

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001051313
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:18 PM
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25. Oh, goddamn. The idiot. The blundering idiot.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 07:09 PM
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40. Better start polisihing up some new "Medals of Freedom"
Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 07:13 PM by Usrename
:grr:
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:48 PM
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19. Thanks for posting n/t
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 01:02 PM
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20. All the media should see this ....MSNBC, CNN, etc....
see if they have the balls to report it....
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 01:28 PM
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21. emergency box ...
I'm in a quake zone too, and after the last significant one (a couple of years ago) I put together a box of supplies -- first aid stuff, water disinfectant, solar-powered radio, etc. -- I intend to leave it here for the next tenant when I move out. I think I might put in the new Bushisms book, as well -- if anything happens, people can either laugh scornfully, or use it for toilet paper.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:10 PM
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23. Kicking and nominating
nt
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:35 PM
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26. Kick!!!! It's in Salon now? Cool!
The more this spreads, especially to bigger, more well-read and more highly-regarded sites like Salon, the more people will see it. And, hopefully, get REALLY pissed. And then get ACTIVE.

Visualize IMPEACHMENT!!!!!!!!!
Pass it on...
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 04:13 PM
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36. "Visualize IMPEACHMENT!!!" -- I like that one. n/t
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Mr Rabble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:36 PM
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27. This needs to be pushed. Recommended. nt
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:41 PM
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30. No kidding!
Time to make a stink, guys!

Say! Let's see if we can make a stink that stinks even worse than george does, 'eh? :evilgrin:
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NinetySix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:38 PM
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29. Kick to make sure this article is read by all.
Bush never seems to consider unpleasant possibilities until after the fact, does he? Why worry about an ounce of prevention when a pound of cure will do the trick just as well?
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 03:03 PM
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31. He's running this country the way he ran his oil companies.
INTO A DITCH.

I guess that would make HIM the "bitch in a ditch," now, wouldn't it? :grr:
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 03:23 PM
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32. KICK THIS SUCKER..let's see if CNN Present, now upped to
30 a year, I just read the other day, will investigate this!!

60 MINUTES....let's go!
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 03:43 PM
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33. kick for that
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sepia_steel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 03:44 PM
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34. Wow.
Just when you thought he couldn't be responsible for any MORE blunders...
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 04:00 PM
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35. I'd be getting DAMNED nervous if I were a San Franciscovite.
Bush is just one disaster away from hitting his second trifecta.
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Hazelrah Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 05:00 PM
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38. kicking it
the truth hurts, and I hope it hurts them bad.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 07:44 PM
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41. Thanks.
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Nimble_Idea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 07:51 PM
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42. that's because it's a black city
The repuke way of thinking is "who gives a crap about whether or not they have money. The white people can always get out of the storm's way. sheesh."
:mad: :grr:
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bagimin Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:05 PM
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43. Kick
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 12:00 AM
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44. Sent it to my paper......
one of the liberal columnists.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 12:17 AM
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45. Yet another failure to protect Americans on the part of this idiot.
I'm certain Repukes will be singing his praises soon b/c he cut his vacation short. "What a compassionate and resolute leader" ey?
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:58 AM
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46. And it's actually even worse than that. Read this opening post and
then work through this thread. So much of what has happened could have been avoided.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4523783
Thread title: CNN/New Orleans:"Mayor blasts failure to patch levee breeches" and that's {only the beginning}:

Did you know that the Bush Admin has REFUSED search/rescue aid from Canada??? What gives them the right to choose death for the people to cover their own asses and cling to their illusion of power?
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 06:32 AM
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47. Why on earth would he refuse help from Canada? What an incredible DH!
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 11:32 AM
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48. No worries--the investigations will not be televised
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