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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:22 PM
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"20 Million Cut in Levee Work Will Cost around 25 Billion, 5000 Dead"
Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 02:25 PM by Hissyspit
"The 20 Million cut in levee work starting in 2003 will cost around 25 Billion now and up to 5,000 dead."

Post by wakeme2008 in another thread. Thought it should have its own thread. Would be nice to hear a journalist or official bring this up, but, for now, will settle for wakeme2008. Here's some background: http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/8/30/212451/290 Other: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2042880
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:25 PM
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1. Don't spend the penny, hope the next administration pays the pound.
Everything Bushco does is geared to temporary near term benefit for themselves and long term disaster for everyone else.

Unlike SS and Iraq, however, they can't manage the wheather to hold off until 2008.
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:26 PM
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2. The really scary part is
the 5,000 number may be very low :cry:
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:31 PM
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3. Unfortunately, you're correct.
We'll be lucky if that's all it is. :cry:
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:36 PM
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4. And the 200 Billion spent in Iraq -- what's that going to buy us?
Another Nigeria or Ecuador where the people will eventually say that the oil wealth belongs to the people of the country, and we'll either have to spend more money undermining or fighting them, and eventually, no matter how much the corporatocracy resists, they'll take over their resources, which they could have done two years ago without us spending 200 Billion.
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:41 PM
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5. bye bye Miss American pie ...
drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was ... gone ...

talk about a loss of innocence ... talk about a loss of common sense ... what a waste ...

those in government who failed to prepare for this should be set out in rowboats when the next one comes along ... let's see how they like it ...
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:43 PM
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6. NOMINATED n/t
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 03:18 PM
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7. Please send this link to people you know
This story needs to get out.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 03:21 PM
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8. How long must this country SUFFER because of this spoiled brat.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 03:34 PM
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9. And there was also the delay in the promised sandbag patching of the NO
levees after the storm, resulting is far more flooding than might otherwise have occurred. The Feds have really, really botched it, but much of the media seems to be tiptoeing around this. And the NO Mayor could not reach Bush when he was desperately begging for the levee patching with sandbag-carrying helicopters. Meanwhile, the National Guards, who SHOULD be doing this work, are being shot at in the Middle East.

Please check out the way I've tried to put some of the pieces together in this thread:and its links - I would value your input:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Thread title: CNN/New Orleans:"Mayor blasts failure to patch levee breeches" and that's {only the beginning}:
:
And the statement you have chosen for this thread is IT - THE perfect way to get the point across.

It's more than the funding, though. FEMA was gutted and the Feds' work so far NO has been disastrously botched.



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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 03:35 PM
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10. link didn't work
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 04:16 PM
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13. Sorry! I copied the DU-truncated link instead of the FULL one. Here it is
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 04:33 PM
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14. thanks
that was quick!

:hi:
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 03:36 PM
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11. Well, I hope
Mary Landrieu, Senator, D. La. is happy that she supported the bush energy plan that bush signed in late July or early August..... Boy! I just love Dems that kiss the ass of this sorry excuse for a human.... Oh excuse me they do not need to bend over or get on their knees, Most of them are already there.....
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bribri16 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 03:56 PM
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12. Somebody find the fact. I thought it was 78 million cut. n/t
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:35 PM
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15. Here's an email I sent out to friends with a bunch of the info:
Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 09:38 PM by Hissyspit
Blaming Bush for a hurricane? Ridiculous, right? Of course he didn't cause the hurricane. But read ALL of this before you criticize anyone who calls for his impeachment based on his incompetence, dereliction of duty and insensitivity. (In addition to all the other things for which he should be impeached.)
On the day of the hurricane, as Americans were dying and begging for help, Bush was at a Belle Epoque grand hotel in California for a fundraiser, and for more of his scripted fake town hall meetings. Are all of the Louisiana National Guard in Iraq? No. Just a GREAT DEAL (apparently 40%) of them (and they took equipment with them).


From DailyKos:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/8/31/205253/978
Will Bunch, via Editor & Publisher:

"Yet after 2003, the flow of federal dollars toward SELA dropped to a trickle. The Corps never tried to hide the fact that the spending pressures of the war in Iraq, as well as homeland security -- coming at the same time as federal tax cuts -- was the reason for the strain. At least nine articles in the Times-Picayune from 2004 and 2005 specifically cite the cost of Iraq as a reason for the lack of hurricane- and flood-control dollars.

Newhouse News Service, in an article posted late Tuesday night at The Times-Picayune Web site, reported: "No one can say they didn't see it coming. ... Now in the wake of one of the worst storms ever, serious questions are being asked about the lack of preparation."

In early 2004, as the cost of the conflict in Iraq soared, President Bush proposed spending less than 20 percent of what the Corps said was needed for Lake Pontchartrain, according to a Feb. 16, 2004, article, in New Orleans CityBusiness.

On June 8, 2004, Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, Louisiana; told the Times-Picayune: "It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can't be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us."

Also that June, with the 2004 hurricane season starting, the Corps' project manager Al Naomi went before a local agency, the East Jefferson Levee Authority, and essentially begged for $2 million for urgent work that Washington was now unable to pay for. From the June 18, 2004 Times-Picayune:

- snip -


Also from DailyKos:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/8/31/163230/120

QUESTION: What did he know, and when did he know it?

Via ThinkProgess, in early 2001 this article appeared in the Houston Chronicle:

the Federal Emergency Management Agency ranked the potential damage to New Orleans as among the three likeliest, most castastrophic disasters facing this country. The other two? A massive earthquake in San Francisco, and, almost prophetically, a terrorist attack on New York City.

QUESTION: Did the president do all he could do to prevent the disaster?

The answer is not only no, but he actually drastically cut the budget: "Until recently, efforts to squeeze coastal protection money out of Washington have met with resistance. The Louisiana congressional delegation urged Congress earlier this year to dedicate a stream of federal money to Louisiana's coast, only to be opposed by the White House. Ultimately a deal was struck to steer $540 million to the state over four years. The total coast of repair work is estimated to be $14 billion.
In its budget, the Bush administration had also proposed a significant reduction in funding for southeast Louisiana's chief hurricane protection project. Bush proposed $10.4 million, a sixth of what local officials say they need.
In fiscal year 2006, the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers is bracing for a record $71.2 million reduction in federal funding.
It would be the largest single-year funding loss ever for the New Orleans district, Corps officials said.
I've been here over 30 years and I've never seen this level of reduction, said Al Naomi, project manager for the New Orleans district. I think part of the problem is it's not so much the reduction, it's the drastic reduction in one fiscal year. It's the immediacy of the reduction that I think is the hardest thing to adapt to."

QUESTION: What was the concrete impact of these cuts?

According to a July 8, 2004 article (via Josh Marshall), the project basically stopped:

"For the first time in 37 years, federal budget cuts have all but stopped major work on the New Orleans area's east bank hurricane levees, a complex network of concrete walls, metal gates and giant earthen berms that won't be finished for at least another decade.
<....>
"I needed $11 million this year, and I got $5.5 million," Naomi said. "I need $22.5 million next year to do everything that needs doing, and the first $4.5 million of that will go to pay four contractors who couldn't get paid this year."

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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 05:56 AM
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16. kick for the morning crowd
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