Roland99
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Fri Sep-02-05 10:40 AM
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Rove is framing this perfectly for the Propagandist to be the hero. |
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First, he reals off a gem that the relief effort's progress is "unacceptable" (quite the flip-flop from earlier this week) and then "We'll get on top of this situation".
So, he's on the way down to New Orleans right now (I'm sure with FAUX News riveted to every inch of the taxiing and flight plan.)
Also, the relief is finally showing up in New Orleans thanks to the outcry from the public and the media who saw what was going on down there (and what the administration feigned ignorance of) so that the Propagandist will show up when the relief is there and it will look like he's saving the day.
Excellent PR from the most vacuous P.O.S. to ever take up residence in the White House.
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Fri Sep-02-05 10:41 AM
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1. Kagen just called it politcal opportunity |
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when he could have been out surveying the damage, says he could have gotten that photo op briefing before he landed and it was obviously just a photo-op
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Fri Sep-02-05 10:49 AM
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7. Daryn "Rush's Girl" Kagan of CNN called it a useless photo-op? |
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Fri Sep-02-05 10:41 AM
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2. It's not going to work this time. |
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Sorry Rove. Your tactics will fail and it's about time. POS.
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Fri Sep-02-05 10:46 AM
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5. You got it, sparo. This shit won't float. |
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I'd bet a roll of toilet paper on it.
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Fri Sep-02-05 10:43 AM
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3. If that was their plan, they let people die for Bush's ratings. |
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Fri Sep-02-05 06:41 PM
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24. are you sure 9/11 wasn't more of the same? |
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Fri Sep-02-05 09:07 PM
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27. Well, this was more of a take advantage of dire situation instead of... |
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Fri Sep-02-05 10:45 AM
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4. Not this time: everyone knows this shouldn't be happening. |
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Edited on Fri Sep-02-05 10:46 AM by rocknation
Not when he could have funded the levee restoration and the Iraq invasion by CANCELLING THE TAX CUTS!!! And not when FEMA and the NG could have started the evacuation as early as last Friday!
But it's going to depend on how the MSM plays it--and THAT'S going to depend on how much pressure we put on them.
GET THOSE PEOPLE OUT OF THERE!!!!!
:mad: rocknation
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Fri Sep-02-05 12:23 PM
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16. Did anyone see the article inthe NY Times this morning?? |
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The Bush Administration is nw saying that they anticipated flooding but not the Levees failing. What a crock... they KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN!!! http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/02/national/nationalspecial/02response.html?ex=1126324800&en=9626270cda5b6521&ei=5043&partner=EXCITE
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Fri Sep-02-05 10:46 AM
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6. This kind of stuff works only if the press helps it along. |
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From the sound of the messages emanating from everywhere but Fox, nobody's coming along for the ride this time. In fact, the best-case scenario for us might be for the sheep of the MSM to see the spin machine in operation after they, the sheep, have undergone the awakening that NO seems to be providing many of them. Then the spin itself could become the story--as it is already starting to do.
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Fri Sep-02-05 10:58 AM
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13. Good point -- and it also helps if the obvious, visible facts on the |
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Edited on Fri Sep-02-05 11:00 AM by Eloriel
ground aren't completely at odds with the propaganda.
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Fri Sep-02-05 10:50 AM
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8. All the spinning in the world won't help this time |
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Rove can't spin away the dead in the Superdome or the Convention Center. He can't spin away the babies that died because their most basic health needs weren't met because The Bastard didn't have a plan in place to help New Orleans' poor evacuate. You can't spin away all those poor people who calmly waited and waited for their government to come in and help them, as it promised to do.
This disaster didn't unfold somewhere far away and unnoticed. It unfolded in slow motion and on live TV. No one can spin this disaster away. No one. The dead can not be made to go away. They will haunt Bush and haunt everything he does for the rest of his life. It didn't have to be this way. But because of his incompetence, it was. And no amount of bullshit can erase that.
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Fri Sep-02-05 02:44 PM
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21. On Limballs show they said it was the state and local |
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governments fault. That they didn;t want to touch there reserves. That they were delaying the whole thing just so they could get money from the Fed.'s
Yep, what bank are they going to draw that money from...
Besides, reserves at the local level are restricted, any idiot knows that, and the federal government is the only government allowed to spend discretionary money
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Fri Sep-02-05 06:44 PM
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25. I guess that depends on what Rove is truly capable of... |
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... and I can't see his fat, grinning devil-face without the horns becoming increasingly prominent!
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Fri Sep-02-05 10:50 AM
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9. The Federal effort will be massive |
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Edited on Fri Sep-02-05 10:51 AM by kenny blankenship
It WILL dwarf anything seen before. But that's not the complaint. The complaint is that the response is mortally LATE. The first 24-48 hrs. after a disaster are the critical window, in which you either gain control of the situation and save a bunch of people who'd otherwise die, and you maintain the sense among the victims that their plight is understood, and that they are still surrounded by civil order even though the roofs and walls have been blown away, or you lose that control. Then people die, people give up, people turn on each other, turn feral and eat the doomed. What dies is not only scattered individuals, but the basis of society which is the feeling that we are all in this together.
Naturally, a party of sociopaths led by sociopaths would bungle disaster prevention because, like the looters looting electronic gear that they won't be able to plug in anywhere, Republicans are all about maximizing short term selfish pleasure, even to the point of self-destruction. Tax cuts, wars of aggression, neglect of infrastructure, financial scandals are their calling cards. They can't take long term risk seriously, especially the risks that don't affect them in an immediate and personal sense. It's not real to them. That's why the neglect of the flood control around N.0. and Louisiana, and that's why the people of this stricken area were left to die and kill each other over the last bottle of coke.
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Fri Sep-02-05 10:52 AM
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11. Callous doesn't begin to describe the state of the GOP today. |
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Fri Sep-02-05 11:53 AM
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14. Super analysis! It could have been so different with a preparedness plan |
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Fri Sep-02-05 06:45 PM
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26. It's bottom-line souls in their bottom-line world! |
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Fri Sep-02-05 10:51 AM
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10. I Can't watch CNN while Rush's Dick-sucker is on the air! (Kagan) |
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Fri Sep-02-05 10:52 AM
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12. "We were shocked, shocked to find people suffering..." Not gonna fly... |
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this is the biggest problem Rove has ever faced, other than his coming indictment, and hopefully he burns on both....POS, indeed.
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Fri Sep-02-05 12:19 PM
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15. Bush: "It's HARD WOrk, getting all these people together" |
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:argh: :sarcasm: :puke: :puke: :puke:
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Fri Sep-02-05 12:25 PM
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17. now he's doing a desperation photo op |
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walking arm and arm with a young black mother & daughter.
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Fri Sep-02-05 12:27 PM
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18. Really the Rove (Karen Hughes) bullshit only flies so long...! |
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Fri Sep-02-05 02:30 PM
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19. Some of the media is taking the bait. Let's hope the new good guys don't. |
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like Cafferty and Shepard Smith...we'll see if they've finally awakened from their stupor.
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Fri Sep-02-05 02:38 PM
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20. The EVIDENCE speaks louder and with more Clarity than PR BS |
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Bushies scores show him to ba a loser from Day 1
Ever since entrusted with Power..he has had nothing but LOSING SEASONS
Year 1 0 and 12
Year 2 0 and 12
Year 3 0 and 12
Year 4 o and 12
Year 5 0 and 12
If this was an NFL Coach.....he would be toast a long time ago....
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Fri Sep-02-05 05:51 PM
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22. But he and Rove still direct the media. |
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Fri Sep-02-05 06:40 PM
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... when Nixon, after fighting Social Security increases tooth and nail, signed on to the increases he failed to stop, just days before the election, then took credit for them!
The Christian Bible states that Satan is the Prince of Lies, the Arch-Deceiver; does anyone ELSE see a similarity here?
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Fri Sep-02-05 09:24 PM
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28. Unfortunately for Turd Blossom, The Damage Is Done |
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Every day New Orleans is uninhabitable, Bush will get the lion's share of the blame (as he should) -- and the anger will only build from here.
Now we pray for Fitzgerald to frog-march the SOB and we'll see how well the effin' framing does.
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Fri Sep-02-05 09:40 PM
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29. Rove? I listen to him to see how much he's lost in confidence |
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He has this one track mind on how to fuck anybody up...anybody, the you say time out and evaluate a smidgeon and you want to backslap him for insulting your intelligence! http://downingstreetmemo.com/
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Fri Sep-02-05 10:26 PM
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30. MALEVOLENT NEGLECT is the PLAN, man |
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THIS IS ALL PLANNED:
You can map Bush's plans out if you can see Rove's pieces on the board: Marsha Hammond, PhD First of all, BushCo are a cabal of narcissists. they have no regard for anyone else. GET THAT. If you fully realize that you can anticipate a good bit of their activity.
Rove put the chess pieces on the board: defunding Army Corps of Engineers driving the concerned City of N.O. people to beg for money to fix the levee. Can't be found: too much or Repub donors won't give. They're on high ground anyway.
3 cities in US mapped as being 'nightmares to be realized.' Which one has the most poor black people? : N.O. that one will be sacrificed. Pieces in place.
Act of God. Yes, we perceive that others will now think that we have fucked up when in fact this has been planned as re: MALEVOLENT NEGLECT. Allo looting to begin (expected: and it will be black people: get rid of some Dem voters while we're at it). (drumming fingers...waiting...waiting): NOW, is the time to send out the National Guard. Must create excuses: helicopters could not fly that low, etc. Timing's everything...drumming fingers...waiting, waiting....
Call up that CNN crew would you? Shut down the mike of the N.O. mayor: he's served our purposes. OK: Hit it boys: NG tanks roll into N.O. as Bush touches down. Bush kisses the baby.
Pure Reagan.
So: what's next? To shut down the media as much re: what has already taken place re: this perception that we screwed up by defunding Army Corps of Engineers re: fixing that levee.
See?
Get in Rove's head: you don't have to stay there: its pretty ugly but you can stand it if you know that if you can anticipate them, you can outsmart them.
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Fri Sep-02-05 10:40 PM
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31. He's trying to save their asses |
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But it's too late. Even if they got every single person out of NO tonight (which I wish more than anything else they would do) people have seen first hand their ineptitude and they know that cost many many lives. I have a horrible feeling that when the death toll is counted it is going to surpass 9/11 and this catastrophe is going to go down in History as America's biggest failure.
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Fri Sep-02-05 11:13 PM
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32. Well, locking people in the Conv Ctr isn't going to win any hearts&minds |
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