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JABBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:17 PM
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Romney Fears Backlash From Religious Right
Massachusetts Gov. W. Mitt Romney, mulling a 2008 run for president, should be a dream candidate for many in the Republican Party.

Popular in his home state and noted as a charming and articulate speaker, Romney, 58, sprung onto the national stage when he oversaw the 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City, turning what was a potential debt-ridden disaster into a stunning success.

From there, he garnered 50% of the vote in his initial run for governor, in a state dominated by Democrats. Romney discovered upon taking office a $650 million deficit in fiscal 2003 and an anticipated one of $3 billion in fiscal 2004. Romney balanced the 2003 budget, and he finished 2004 with a $700 million surplus.

Romney, the valedictorian of his class at Brigham Young University, is noted as a dedicated family man who does not smoke or drink and who has been a church leader. He is a governor who personally opposes abortion, but would not block a woman's right to choose. He supports benefits for gay couples, but has pushed for a state constitutional amendment defining marriage as the union of a man and a woman.

In theory, Romney's conservative pedigree should appeal to the same majority that swept George W. Bush to narrow victories in 2000 and 2004. But, as in Massachusetts in 2002, Romney also should have cross-over appeal to attract conservative Democrats and independents.

But many believe he has virtually no chance of ever capturing the party's nomination.


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Here's the problem: Romney is a devout member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, more commonly known as the Mormons.

The Southern Baptist Convention website categorizes the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as a "cult" that is "radically" different from historic, biblical Christianity. A faith guide issued by the influential Christian right group Focus on the Family declares that "God cannot be identified . . . with the Mormon religion's notion of god." The Focus on the Family website features a guide for teaching Christianity to children that lumps Mormons in with pagan worship. And each year, evangelical organizers behind the National Day of Prayer bar Mormons from speaking at their proceedings.

Given that the South has become a GOP stronghold in recent presidential races, many, including Romney himself, believe Romney's religion would emerge as an issue there should he seek to become the 44th president.

We're nearly five decades past John F. Kennedy breaking the Protestant barrier, as the nation's first Catholic president. Joseph Lieberman (D-CT), an orthodox Jew, was accepted by most as Al Gore's vice presidential nominee in 2000. John Kerry (D-MA), a Catholic, was the Democratic nominee in 2004. But the Religious Right, apparently, hasn't caught up completely.

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Romney suggested, in a June interview with conservative magazine Weekly Standard, that his religion could pose a problem for some:

"This is a nation that will always welcome people of faith, and my party, in particular, will welcome people of faith," Romney said. "I think if you said, 'Look, we have a candidate for you, and you can know nothing about this person, except religion, that's the only thing that you can know, this person is a Mormon, but that's all you can know. Do you want as president?' Well my guess is with all of the misunderstanding and lack of understanding and differences between one religion and another, that I think a lot of people would say, 'Gosh, I am not sure that that makes me feel real comfortable.'"

Others agree:

"I think it likely will matter," Charles Reagan Wilson, director of the Center for the Study of Southern Culture at the University of Mississippi, told Newhouse Newspapers. "I think he will have to be very savvy and skillful in talking with evangelicals, and I don't know what experience he has doing that. I think he's got a hard row to hoe."

The Rev. Robert Edgar, general secretary of the National Council of Churches and a former Pennsylvania congressman, believes Romney's faith will be an issue he will have to deal with should he run for president.

"I don't think it's a death sentence for a candidate, or a super big obstacle," Edgar told Newhouse. "I do think that people who express what their faith tradition is have to be authentic about expressing it."

"It would be extraordinarily hard for mainline denomination people in the South to openly and strongly politick or be involved in a Mormon's run for office," Bobby Welch, president of the Southern Baptist Convention, the nation's largest non-Catholic denomination and a fixture of the Christian right, told the Boston Globe.

One evangelical leader offered the Weekly Standard a succinct take on whether Romney's faith would hurt him in the primaries: "Against Giuliani, no. Against Frist, yes. Against Santorum, yes. Against Arnold , no."

Echoing that thought was Richard Land, who runs public affairs for the Southern Baptist Convention. He told the Globe that if Romney "were running against Bill Frist or George Allen -- if have a choice between a social conservative who is an evangelical or a social conservative who is a Mormon -- most are going to choose a social conservative who is an evangelical."

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Romney's late father, George, who was also Mormon, ran for president in 1968 when he was the governor of Michigan. He dropped out before the primaries. At the time, Gallup found that 17 percent of respondents would not vote for a Mormon for president, even if their party "nominated a generally well-qualified person" of the faith.

Have times changed? No.

A Gallup Poll in February 1999 that repeated the question again found 17 percent of respondents saying they would not vote for a Mormon.

Orrin Hatch (R-UT), who briefly ran for president in 2000, thought that he could overcome the bias against Mormons within his party. He was wrong.

As recounted by The Hill:

Implying that prejudice was stronger than he had realized, Hatch popped off (prior to the Iowa Caucus), saying,“I am not going to take any crap from anybody about my religion.” The charge that seemed to irritate Hatch the most was that Mormons are not Christians. “I take my Christian faith very seriously,” protested the annoyed candidate.

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Romney is doing his part to reach out to the Religious Right, reports the Globe.

Last March, the governor invited Southern California evangelical pastor Rick Warren to breakfast in Cambridge after reading his bestseller, The Purpose Driven Life. Romney has also appeared on syndicated radio host Hugh Hewitt's show, a megaphone to religious conservatives, three times in the past three months.

Will it be enough to overcome religious prejudice within his party?

Don't bet the farm on a President Romney.

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This article first appeared at Journalists Against Bush's B.S.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:21 PM
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1. I doubt I'd vote for a Mormon either
But only because most of them are far too conservative ;)
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:22 PM
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2. The Mormon's aren't a cult. They're a business.
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jessicazi Donating Member (458 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:28 PM
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7. a "business" that has donated
millions of dollars in food, medical supplies, money, etc...for humanitarian reasons. They were ready to go last friday afternoon with trucks full of food and supplies for wherever the hurricane hit.
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:29 PM
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8. Did you hear me slight them?
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jessicazi Donating Member (458 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 12:01 AM
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16. I never said that you did "slight" them.
But WTF was with the business comment?
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 12:04 AM
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17. That's actually a quote from a movie.
I forget the title, but it was a documentary. In it, an ex-Mormon says, "At its heart, the Mormon Church is a business." The film makes some very compelling points in this regard. I found it interesting, if slightly biased.

I'm a film junkie. Sorry.
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jessicazi Donating Member (458 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 12:10 AM
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19. "slightly biased" is a huge understatement.
There is a corporate side to the Mormon Church, yes of course. But at its heart lies a level of compassion I would be hard-pressed to find anywhere else.

I am sure you could find business characteristics in any major religion.
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 12:15 AM
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21. You know, seriously, jess, I don't ever buy what I see 100%.
And I'm also sure that, for instance, the Catholic church has the largest collection of pornography in the world. For research, of course. Suspects. Always looking for suspects. (That was another one--Murder by Death)
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marbuc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:32 PM
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11. The mormons run
the second largest private welfare system in the country. At least back up the smack with some scratch.
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jessicazi Donating Member (458 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:23 PM
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3. No, he is screwed.
I am Mormon and he stands no chance. Most "Christians" despise Mormons.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:23 PM
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4. Is romney "popular in his own state"? Or
is this article fulla Shite?
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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:26 PM
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5. "full of shite" . . . VERY!! Mitt is most UNpopular! . . . and the
Edited on Fri Sep-02-05 11:35 PM by TaleWgnDg
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 04:48 PM
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31. THANK YOU!
:)
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:28 PM
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6. "Popular in his home state" -- NOT!
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JABBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:57 PM
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14. He won in 2002
... which was quite an accomplishment.
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jackbourassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 04:19 AM
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28. He has a 35% approval now though.
Will he even run in 2006?

It's not unusual for Massachusettes to elect Republican governors. The last 4 governors have been Republican.
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JABBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:05 AM
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29. there's every indication
A slew of stories over the past couple of months, including ones referenced in the article above, indicate he's taking the appropriate steps for a 2008 run.
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marbuc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:30 PM
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9. I'd vote for a mormon
I don't discriminate based on religion alone.
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porkrind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 12:41 AM
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23. LOL!
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:31 PM
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10. Isn't it interesting that Romney could get elected in a liberal state....
but would not be supported by other Right-wing Conservative Christians
because he is not the exact right kind of Christian.
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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:56 PM
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13. Hey. As a born and bred Bay-Stater (Massachusetts) . . .
.
Hey. As a born and bred Bay-Stater (Massachusetts) . . . we allow our politicians their own religion, period. After all, this is the state that had a Republican Governor who asked the state Attorney General to file a criminal complaint against a bunch of (Christian) ruffians who bashed a woman and child of Wiccan faith. We want to Separate Church and State, and do. When another Governor who was Roman Catholic (Republican) received a letter from Cardinal Bernard Law on official Archdiocese letterhead attempting to persuade the governor as a Roman Catholic not to nominate a certain anti-abortion female to the highest court in Massachusetts, that governor went public in anger about it. And, yes, she sits as our Chief Justice on our highest court. We are secular as to our politics, period. And damn proud of it.

However, Mitt Romney lied to us. In our faces. He said that he would not allow his personal beliefs (i.e., religion) interfere with the execution of our laws as Governor. He lied. It has. Over and over and over and over again, it has. Not just abortion issues. Nope. But about "the day after pill" which is a contraceptive issue. And, stem cell research issues. We, here in the Bay State, lead the world in bio-medicine and bio-tech but Mitt refused to sign legislation into law allowing state approved stem cell research. (His veto was over-ridden by the state legislature.)

And the list goes on w/ Mitt. Frankly, as the New England's highest leader in his faith (he was a Bishop in the Mormon faith too), I find his lies abhorrent. Wouldn't you?

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"He's been a pro-life Mormon faking it as a pro-choice friendly," Governor Mitt Romney (R, MA) adviser Michael Murphy told the National Review (a prominent conservative magazine) in a cover story hitting newsstands on June 3, 2005, entitled "Matinée Mitt." -- http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/06/03/adviser_says_governor_faked_stance_on_abortion (Headlines, page A-1, Adviser says Governor Faked Stance on Abortion, Boston Globe, Friday, June 3, 2005)

"He has decided that life begins not at conception, not at birth, but when you decide to run for president." - Jon Stewart, on Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney's changing views on abortion

" 'It is very conceivable that scientific advances will allow an embryo to be grown for a substantial period of time outside the uterus,' Romney said in an interview with the Globe. 'To say that it is not life at one month or two months or four months or full term, just because it had never been in a uterus, would be absurd.' "
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2005/05/12/romney_urges_changes_to_stem_cell_bill (Boston Globe, Romney urges changes to stem cell bill, Adds amendment to prohibit cloning, by Scott Greenberger, Globe Staff, May 12, 2005. Romney later leaves his vacation home in New Hampshire to veto the entire newly passed Massachusetts stem cell research bill. Romney's veto was subsequently over-ridden by the state legislature.)
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:51 PM
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12. My dad's family are FORMER Mormons .........................
my g-g-g-grandfather was Chief of the Danites, the "enforcement" arm of the early Mormon church. He was first Joe Smith's bodyguard, and then Brigham Young's. He "took care of" problem members, like those who objected to Brigham stealing their wives for his own harem, or who wanted to leave the church. He was richly rewarded for his services. He had a lot of blood on his hands.

I am eternally skeptical of anything and everything Mormon. Especially when they are politicians.

We lived in Utah when I was a teenager, and I will NEVER forget how we non-mormon kids were treated like complete pariahs in school. And the rare Jews and Blacks were treated even worse.

The legislature tried to pass a "Sunday Closing Law" in the early 1970s. They truly expected all businesses to close because that was the day EVERYBODY who was anybody was in church. They didn't take into account Jews, Muslims, or Seventh-Day Adventists. Fortunately the law was found unconstitutional.

Do NOT trust Mitt Romney. As a BYU valedictorian, he is a true believer.
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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 12:01 AM
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15. We don't trust him in Massachusetts; see my post in this thread. And
thanks for the insight.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 12:08 AM
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18. If he was Joe Smith's bodyguard.....
...how did he ever get another bodyguard job after that? I'd have to guess Joe's security wasn't very good, if they were able to frame the guy as a horse thief and kill him.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 12:53 AM
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24. He was in jail. The mob lynched him. They didn't allow his Danite thugs
to protect him while in jail. Duh.
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jessicazi Donating Member (458 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 12:14 AM
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20. I am sorry for the treatment you endured.
I am disgusted when I hear stories such as yours. Just understand that when any religion dominates the population, those in the minority are often marginalized and treated like garbage. I should know, I was a Mormon in a Seattle suburb.
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jessicazi Donating Member (458 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 12:18 AM
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22. Information on the Danites:
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 01:01 AM
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25. A brief scan shows a claim that there were no Danites in Utah - ROFLMAO
Seems like a very wordy whitewash??

BTW, the Danites were involved in the infamous Mountain Meadows Massacre, and I recently uncovered circumstantial evidence that my g-g-g-grandfather, William Adams Hickman, went with a group of Danites who followed the wagon train involved, and returned north a few days after the massacre in possession of wagon train folks' personal possessions.

He eventually turned on the Mormons and spent the rest of his life a hunted man (by them). He knew way too much.
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jessicazi Donating Member (458 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 01:30 AM
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26. It is not claiming there were no "danites" in Utah.
It said, "Though no Danite organization was known in Nauvoo or in Utah, the stereotype persisted, becoming a part of national discussion about Utah and the Latter-day Saints...."

Perhaps, to many, the Danites were unknown in Utah, or changed their name, or....who knows.

Now the Mountain Meadows Massacre is another story, and I fear that a group of Mormons are to blame.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:13 AM
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30. I read a recent book on the MMM last year, wish I could recall the
title for you..............Mormons were "involved:, you might say, hehehehe. They did the job (and tried to make it look like Ute indians did it). A sad day in Utah history, but that was then, this is now.

I know many fine people who happen to be LDS, BTW. Some of them are family. I just have no respect for the church itself, or its policies.
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atre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 03:11 AM
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27. Do this
Edited on Sat Sep-03-05 03:18 AM by atre
Ask a Mormon what is the "mark" branded upon Cain after slaying Abel. You might be surprised by the response. In many ways, Mormons are no different than the "Christian Identity" groups out there.
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