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Timmy5835 Donating Member (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 01:55 PM
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Prediction...GOP may impeach Bush
Think about it. The GOP may lose big in the next election and they need some one to blame and cover their asses. With Bush looking TOTALLY clueless and his numbers going down the GOP goes into survival mode. Seeing no other option, they attack Bush. Let's face it, if the Dems win the House, and this seems very likely now, impeachment will start regardless. The GOP needs an issue and this may be it.
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 01:55 PM
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1. Either than, Or they go down as a party: PICK YOUR POISON GOP
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 01:56 PM
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2. Or, they start a war against their own people and create their theocracy.
That's what's happening in New Orleans.
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 01:58 PM
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4. They either do that or go down as a party...
The numerous scandals were probably already enough to put the party out of existence if democratic processes were allowed to stand.
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 01:57 PM
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3. It could be electoral failure
They are the ruling party and their leadership is highly ineffective.
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Options Remain Donating Member (475 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 01:58 PM
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5. actually you may be right
using this issue to impeach allows them to sidestep the other issues that implicate the whole party leadership. If they go this route they will do so for damage control and to remain in power.

O.R.
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 01:59 PM
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6. If it gets even more out of control a more likely senario:
Members of congress defecting from both parties to form a block or Third Party to gain control of the Senate and House with purpose of removing him from office.
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 02:23 PM
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12. That sounds interesting
We'll have to wait and see.
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BrutalEntropy Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:40 PM
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35. they could call themselves...
the impeachment party :)
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:58 PM
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42. Ha! Impeachment Party!
Edited on Sat Sep-03-05 10:00 PM by Independent_Liberal
I have a feeling I'll be throwing an impeachment party very soon. You're all invited!

:D
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 12:21 AM
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48. Hey, I've heard of far worse things. That actually sounds good! Welcome
to DU! Glad you're here.

Now get comfy here, and get busy out there.

Visualize IMPEACHMENT!!!!!!!!!!!
Then go DO something about it.
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BlueStateBlue Donating Member (470 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:44 PM
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40. That would be a good thing! n/t
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 02:02 PM
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7. As pleasant a dream as it may be, it's still a dream.
They have all drank the Kool-Aide.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 02:05 PM
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8. This next election is the Dem's to lose
Oh, maybe Mary Landreaux and compliment Bush, and Durban will apologize, and Clinton will call for more war. Winning takes leadership, and Dr. Dean is still silent.
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Mr Rabble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 02:09 PM
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10. He released a statement yesterday. Give them rope, I guess.
He promised a full fledged attack AFTER the rescue is over.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 03:02 PM
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18. Just like the last one was - and they didn't disappoint us - they lost.
I know, diebold, yadda yadda yadda.

The result is - they LOST - no matter the hidden reasons.
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Shipwack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 02:08 PM
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9. I wish, but I doubt it...
The GOP knows that the mid term elections are still fairly far away. They'll be plenty of lost blond women to distract the public between now and then.

Besides, would it really matter? That would leave Cheney in charge. Nothing would be done differently.
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kcass1954 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 02:20 PM
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11. From your mouth to God's ears! n/t
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 02:27 PM
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13. Bush becomes "political leper" Rethugs drop him like a hot, hot
potato!

Really, all it takes is for some people to change their minds...

some politicians who happen to be Rethugs could, upon seeing Bush as a political leper, decide he's not worth their own ass and turn on him...really that's it. People change their minds all the time; especially political people who don't want to go down with the ship. It's really not that far fetched. It's really not much of a stretch now to imagine impeachment. Plus, in my opinion, it would be karma and poetic justice to all those sanctimonious hypocrites who participated in the constant witch hunts with the Clinton Administration. Remember, NOONE DIED WHEN CLINTON LIED! Also, remember, what Albert Einstein said, "imagination is more important than intellect." Stranger things have happened in this world and especially in this political world. We must stop believing that these evil people are above the law...THEY AREN'T! The sooner we accept this, the sooner we really believe it, the sooner they will be gone. Thanks to all those who dare to imagine and believe
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 12:37 AM
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50. Yep. That's what happened with Nixon. His own party finally did the
Edited on Sun Sep-04-05 12:42 AM by calimary
take-down. It was only when party elder Barry Goldwater and another one or two senior Republicans went to Nixon after the smoking gun and other straws that were just too much for the camel's back anymore, and told him he'd better resign or he WOULD be impeached. He bailed to save face, preferring to jump before he was pushed.

This MAY happen here, too. If these people see him as a liability to their own political lives, they'll dump him like a load of uncleanable underwear. He doesn't need to worry about getting reelected, but they do. And they can recognize handwriting on the wall when they need to. Especially when it's increasingly unavoidable.

Visualize IMPEACHMENT.

Visualize IMPEACHMENT AND REMOVAL FROM OFFICE.

Visualize LEG IRONS.

Visualize ORANGE JUMP SUITS.

Visualize FROG MARCHES.

Visualize INDICTMENTS.

Visualize PROSECUTIONS.

Visualize CONVICTIONS.

SEE, in your mind's eye, the teary-eyed, pathetic exit statements, or the tantrums they throw as they're dragged away. See, in your mind's eye, the details of the insides of their prison cells. See them in there. Try to imagine what's on the walls, on the cot, who they're sharing their cells with, what the food is like. Even if it's one of those "Club Fed" type things. Imagine them wearing those Martha Stewart ankle bracelets. Details!

Picture the screaming headlines on the front pages, and the disconsolate expressions on the faces of people like britt hume and o'leilly and that-guy-whose-name-rhymes-with-vanity, and of peggy noonan and pat buchanan and joe scarborough and bill schneider and frank luntz and ken mehlman and the other bastards who've been so cruel and such enablers of all this horror. DO IT.

Visualize the pages in the history books that talk about what turns out to be the most evil, destructive, and criminal family to impact the American landscape outside the mafiosi.

Visualize doing little "impromptu polls" among your friends and colleagues, and finding NO ONE willing to admit they EVER supported bush, no less vote for him. It HAPPENED to Nixon. Suddenly, you couldn't pay somebody to admit they'd voted for Nixon. Suddenly, magically, it became Richard WHO? Never heard of him.

Visualize!

Get creative!

Get specific - specific mental pictures that are easy for your subconscious to sink its teeth into, and then work toward manifesting for you in the outer world. That's what all the mental exercising for success is about. The more detailed the better!

Visualize!

Thoughts are THINGS.

Oh yeah, and BTW (Sorry this is so longwinded...) don't worry too much about a bush IMPEACHMENT meaning we're stuck with cheney. cheney's a sick man. Yeah, I know, I know. But I wouldn't have that ticker for all the ice cream in Baskin-Robbins. He's old, he's already on a pace maker, and it's not like he's in a low-stress job, no matter how coddled he is. Besides - as things turn against these guys, shits like him start gobbling the Maalox by the fist-full. His blood pressure and his heart won't stand it for long. And it'll be poetic justice while he lasts. The ONE thing dick cheney hates more than anything is the spotlight shining on him. He prefers to operate behind closed doors, in the shadows, behind the curtains, in the dark, where nobody can see the sneaky, dastardly stuff he's up to. Otherwise, it'd be all out in the open, in the fresh air and sunshine all the time. He operates that way because he thinks what he's up to is none of your business, and he knows instinctively that you'd oppose it if you knew about it, since it never benefits you and yours, only him and his (and THOSE interests are diametrically opposed to anything you'd favor, or that would be beneficial to you). It would be the most miserable time of his life, and there'd be hounds baying at his heels ALL THE TIME. He does not enjoy the popularity or the aw-shucks good-ol'-boy nice-guy image that many numbskulls believe bush has. He wouldn't last in that job, and probably would NOT want to run for another term of his own. And his wife would be making lots of loud noises about how she wants him home spending time with the family because his health isn't good anymore.

VISUALIZE.

VISUALIZE IMPEACHMENT.

VISUALIZE THESE GUYS ON THE ROPES, AND THEIR GROUND SOWN WITH SALT SO NOTHING WILL GROW AND THRIVE FOR A GENERATION OR MORE.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 02:28 PM
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14. Visualize Impeachment! I believe that Bush will be impeached.
I'll say it again. It's like a mantra.

I believe that I will see him impeached. It's like in Lord of the Rings, I think it was the second one, when Gandolf and the crew were in the cave running from the monster dragon thing and Gandolf turned to face the dragon at the bridge and with all of his might and sheer force of his will said, "YOU SHALL NOT PASS." That's how I feel. Bush shall not succeed in ruining America with his selfishness, greed and stupidity. I will not allow it. I will believe in something other than disaster for this country. In my mind's eye I will believe that Bush is being impeached. I will dream of it and maybe others will dream of it too. What's your vision? "...Without vision, the people perish..." I am not sure what book or verse to quote, but it's from the good book. The one that the Rethugs don't own. So, I will choose to believe, right now, that this madness stops here! That EVIL Bush shall not pass!
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 04:47 PM
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25. I visualize truth prevailing over the lies.
Whatever consequences come from that is bonus.
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:05 PM
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43. Right! Visualize it!
Visualize it people! Goddamn you! Visualize it!

:)
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Wabbajack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 02:30 PM
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15. Please
there are barley any Democrats in congress calling for impeachment. If you asked Harry Reid about it he'd probably give you a puzzled look and or laugh.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 12:50 AM
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51. Perhaps so. BEFORE Katrina.
I'd venture to say that's all gonna change as of next Tuesday. And just imagine what you might be able to do between now and then, with your fellow civilians - to encourage this and help bring it about...

REALLY! I think we've got a leg up now. I really am starting to believe that.

If for no other reason, do it for the Americans who've died for a lie in Iraq. Do it for Casey Sheehan. Do it for Cindy Sheehan (oh yes. Make no mistake. She hasn't gone away, either). DO IT FOR ALL THE VICTIMS OF HURRICANE KATRINA, who died because bush sat on his ass, or cut funds, and had to be dragged out of his vacation - AGAIN.

If for NO OTHER REASON, do it so that these victims of his - whether it's his idiocy, his utter incompetence, his indifference, his laziness, his lack of empathy, his vindictiveness, his manipulativeness and croneyism, or his lust for power and oil and mammon and world conquest - will not have died in vain.

It's THE way to make sure their deaths have some meaning.
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 02:35 PM
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16. So then what?
Impeachment without removal is meaningless. Impeachment with removal, we get Cheney.

No thanks. Unless the whole administration is removed, I would prefer that Smirk stay right where he is until his term is over.
The rest of his initiatives are pretty much done for. I like to see the chimp and the rest of them squirming.


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LiviaOlivia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 02:35 PM
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17. nice dream
They haven't finished looting the country yet. And they are the REAL looters. I predict the GOP will continue to fellate Bush but become more two-faced. That is they will "kinda" criticize him to save their seats/asses in Congress but still go on to steal and proselytize their obscene form of supply-side un-Christianity.

Result: the dark ages have come to America.
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globol@comcast.net Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:34 PM
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37. agreed
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JackDragna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 03:13 PM
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19. Never.
The Bushes run the Republican party. Nothing will happen to the man. Nothing ever happens to him. When will we learn that Republicans never have accountability?
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 03:41 PM
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20. I get tired of hearing it too, JD
for God's sake the man ATTACKED A COUNTRY BASED ON A PACK OF LIES and he still not has been held accountable......IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN
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gemlake Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 04:51 PM
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26. Exactly
I don't know why anyone thinks bush would ever be held accountable for anything.

Focus groups are likely being used right now to devise talking points the whole country will be repeating in the near future.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:41 PM
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39. Hey look everybody, the quitters started their own mini-thread!
:rofl:

NGU.


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Timmy5835 Donating Member (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 03:42 PM
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21. Oh, I almost forgot...
What if the Fitzgerald Grand Jury hands down some indictments next month? The man is toast.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 03:44 PM
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22. there are thousands more neocon bastards to take bush's place
we still have to put up with these assholes for quite some time
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Timmy5835 Donating Member (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 03:46 PM
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23. until......
....November 2006 it seems.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 04:31 PM
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24. they've been stealing elections
it is their trump card
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inthebrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 04:57 PM
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28. By throwing blacks off the voter rolls
THe racist wing of the Republican party is in control now.

They've wanted this for the last 40 years and now they have it. THe only failures Republicans see in this is that the poor balcks are going to survive.



Lovely synapses of Bush's response.
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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 04:57 PM
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27. If they lose big enough in 06, we won't need very many GOPers
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Timmy5835 Donating Member (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 05:08 PM
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29. Remember......
EVERYTHING runs in cycles. Remember McCarthy and the Un-American activities commitee and the Hollywood witch hunts? Remember, we made it through that. It seems we'll make it through this.
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 05:19 PM
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30. All those bastard pubs need to do is ask for his resignation,
there is no way in hell that they would go through a longgggg impeachment process. The bad PR would decimate them!!! They are a bunch of cowards.

It's time for dems to grow a fricking spine, and kick them while they are down.

Taking back the house should be their greatest priority now!!! And then they can IMPEACH BUSH FOR INCOMPETENCY!!!

Till then....it is only a dream....
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 05:39 PM
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33. I think it's 29 seats in the House in order for Dems to regain control
The Senate is close too, but they try to 'work together' there and aren't as much the bombthrowers the R's are in the nut-House.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 05:34 PM
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31. Hmmm. Interesting. Now is their chance to do it
without confronting any more of their own complicity in the destruction of the past four years. If they had done it over another issue--Iraq, lies about Iraq, failure to prevent 9/11, failure to warn public about 9/11, inept response after 9/11, Rove's machinations, or even election fraud, they would have had to expose too many of the same bloodstains on their own hands.
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:06 PM
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44. If you visualize it, it will happen.
:)
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 12:37 AM
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49. That's what I say! Mr. Hastert...get on it...
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 05:39 PM
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32. The GOP would never impeach Bush.
Bush's devout followers comprise a huge percentage of the GOP base. These people would turn viciously and virulently on any republican in Congress who even suggested impeachment. And even the remainder of the republican base would refuse to support impeachment.

People do not become part of the republican base or devout followers of Bush by seeking accurate information, examining conflicting evidence, questioning what they are told to believe, and then reaching intelligent decisions or informed moral judgments. Such things are anathema to all of Bush's devout followers and to most of the other indivduals who make up the republican base.

The RNC is already instructing the base that the fault for the tragedy following hurricane Katrina lies with the Governor of Louisiana and the Mayor of New Orleans. Unless they are instructed otherwise by the RNC, the GOP base will believe this regardless of any amount of evidence to the contrary. This is even more true for Bush's devout followers.

Bush could intentionally attack a major American city with WMD killing millions of Americans and then laugh and joke about it on live television and the GOP would not even consider impeaching him.
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:47 PM
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34. Yeah sorry to say you are right , no need to get dreamy. These
Edited on Sat Sep-03-05 06:48 PM by Prodemsouth
people "the base" are just as you say they are- I got a few in my family. Even though they are smart they are just brainwashed. Thanks, I need a good hard cold glass of water thrown in the face every now and then.
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babyk Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:46 PM
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36. Bush isnt even the problem
If you have cancer, you don't just treat the symptoms.
Get rid of Bush and the cancer is still there.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:41 PM
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38. De Lay's "dance with them what paid for your re-election"
thing is about to fall apart.
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:53 PM
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41. Interesting...
Now that I think about it, it doesn't sound that farfetched.
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are_we_united_yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 11:02 PM
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45. Sorry. It won't happen
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MidnightWind Donating Member (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 11:06 PM
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46. Nah-we only impeach people over sex not gross incompetence
Although I really thought he and Haley Barbour were totally going to do one another the other day on that photo-op tour in the Gulf States. I had high hopes we were about to have grounds for impeachment there for a minute.
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ISUGRADIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 12:12 AM
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47. They stuck with Nixon, they will with Bush
Bush people control the party machinery, Bush helped many of these people get elected, GOP margains have went up with Bush in the House and Senate, they are no going to abandon him. Nixon didn't really give a rat's ass about party building while Bush does. The true believers will not abandon him and there are a lot of them in Congress.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 12:53 AM
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52. Welcome to DU!
From your mouth to God's ears!
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jackbourassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 01:22 AM
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53. Be realistic
The GOP will never impeach Bush.

We need a Democratic Congress, and then impeachment will be possible.
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