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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 04:53 AM
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Is This the Big "Irons in the Fire" Kerry Fans Kept Telling Us About
that he wanted the ohio lawsuit dismissed?

and it was finally thrown out august 29th?

"Judge dismisses lawsuit filed over long election lines

JOHN McCARTHY
Associated Press

COLUMBUS, Ohio - A federal judge has dismissed an Election Day lawsuit filed by the Ohio Democratic Party that sought paper ballots for people waiting in long lines at polling places Nov. 2.

The party wanted the lawsuit to be thrown out once it became clear President Bush won re-election, but Republican state leaders kept the lawsuit alive to try to get the judge to rule the election did not violate voters' constitutional rights.

Democrats wanted the extra ballots so that everyone who wanted to vote could do so. They feared frustrated voters would not endure the long wait.

While the Democrats dropped the lawsuit, an activist lawyer said he's considering filing his own lawsuit alleging discrimination.

Lawyer Cliff Arnebeck believes that a shortage of voting machines in predominantly Democratic precincts and vote-switching at boards of elections in GOP-dominated counties could have deprived Democrat John Kerry of enough votes to cost him the election. Bush won Ohio by about 118,000 votes.

Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell, a Republican and Ohio's chief elections official, has long denied any wrongdoing at the state or county level.

U.S. District Judge Algenon Marbley's ruling Friday said the election results and the Democrats' desire to drop the case made the matter moot. The state has not decided if it will appeal Marbley's ruling, said Kim Norris, a spokeswoman for Attorney General Jim Petro.

Petro wanted the court to ensure that blacks and other minorities, whose precincts had a good share of the long lines, were not subjected to discrimination.

The Ohio Republican Party took Petro's side in the case but will not seek an appeal, GOP lawyer William Todd said. "It was not a case we had any long term issues in," he said.

The state still faces a challenge to the recount of the election filed by the candidates of the Green and Libertarian parties that is pending in U.S. District Court in Toledo.

Some voters had to wait in line more than seven hours to vote, particularly at a polling place at Kenyon College in Knox County. Waits of three hours or more were typical at some precincts in Columbus in Franklin County. Those two counties were the targets of the Democrats' lawsuit.

Blackwell refused to allow people waiting in lines to mark their choices on a paper ballot for elections workers to enter into electronic voting machines later. Such ballots are illegal, he said.

After the election in Ohio, whose 20 electoral votes gave Republican Bush an insurmountable nationwide lead over Kerry, the Democratic Party asked the judge to dismiss the lawsuit. However, Attorney General Jim Petro asked for the chance to argue the election was conducted fairly.

Blackwell, the defendant in the case, did not support Petro's plan. Marbley said he did not agree to Petro's request to consider the election's fairness because Petro was not representing the defendant's wishes.

Gabrielle Williamson, spokeswoman for the Ohio Democratic Party, said the party was happy to see the case dropped but hoped the long lines taught election officials a lesson.

"We'll be watching because we're not going to have a repeat of Election Day 2004," Williamson said. "

http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/12506799.htm

oooh yeah, we'll be watching....with a blanket over our heads and hands over our eyes:scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 05:15 AM
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1. "The party wanted...thrown out"
Edited on Tue Sep-06-05 05:16 AM by MH1
I don't see Kerry's name there.

BTW, read this paragraph again:

The party wanted the lawsuit to be thrown out once it became clear President Bush won re-election, but Republican state leaders kept the lawsuit alive to try to get the judge to rule the election did not violate voters' constitutional rights.


The Republicans wanted the suit to go forward. WHY? Because they can see past the nose on their face and they see an opportunity to set a "precedent" that will make it harder to prevent voter suppression in the future.

On edit: please note in context, "the party" is "the Democratic party", and I believe in this case, the OHIO Democratic Party.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 05:18 AM
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2. i thought we weren't going to have a repeat of 2000
"We'll be watching because we're not going to have a repeat of Election Day 2004," Williamson said. "

who exactly is on my side as a voter -- except people who don't work for the system?

it's rhetorical, ok?
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 06:44 AM
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4. With all the wild conspiracy theories ..
... that run around here - there is one that I'm starting to believe in more and more.

Our party has been infiltrated with Repugs that torpedoe any efforts to hold election officials to account.

"Won't repeat 2004?" We already have. This person is either a fool of the highest order or an infiltrator.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 06:18 AM
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3. What does this have to do with Kerry - Ohio Democratic Party.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 09:12 PM
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5. i don't know. does it have anything to do with Kerry?
i thought it was the dem party that was suing and not kerry personally.

maybe i'm wrong. i'm just trying to figure this article out.
:shrug: :shrug: :shrug:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 03:57 PM
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8. Kerry is still in 3 court cases.
But, as far as I can tell, Kerry and Dean are taking another route to expose the machines.

Dean is pursuing smart, savvy candidates for Sec of State races all over the country. Cam Kerry is likely running in Mass. That tells me that they intend to get access to the machines through fully legal means, and also can grill those who program and operate the machines.

I believe once they have that access they can prove to the public how easily the machines can be rigged and erased of all evidence.
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PeacePal Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 02:55 PM
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6. Ohio discrepancies may have swung electrion results - see
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 03:03 PM
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7. but hoped the long lines taught election officials a lesson
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
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