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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 10:17 PM
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Who Needs To Introduce Articles Of IMPEACHMENT???
congress? senate?

where does the process begin?

because now is the time to begin.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 10:18 PM
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1. house of representatives
it will never happen, no guts
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 12:51 AM
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15. Not enough
Democrats.
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jalynn Donating Member (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 10:19 PM
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2. Congress
I believe congress
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 10:19 PM
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Good question. And agreed. The House, I believe.
But I expect the Dems couldn't do much, at present, without a Republican getting on board.

Regardless, I think the Articles ought to be written -- and ready for submission in 2007.
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Don Claybrook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 10:19 PM
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3. House of Representatives
And if I'm not mistaken, it needs to start in the Judiciary Committee.
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philarq Donating Member (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 10:20 PM
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4. Any member of congress may introduce
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 10:22 PM
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5. okay--then now is the time for us to start finding the
republican with enough conscience, ethics, and guts to do it.

any suggestions?

an email campaign to the house of reps? "Had Enough?"
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 12:45 AM
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14. A Southern Republican from a flooded area.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 01:52 AM
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23. bachus from alabama is as close as i can get to flooded
know anything about him/her?
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dave502d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 10:24 PM
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6. Congress in 2006.n/t
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 10:24 PM
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7. An impeachment FAQ, at...
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 10:39 PM
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8. The House or Representatives has the sole power of impeachment
The House Judiciary Committee does the drafting of the articles of impeachment. Once they approve them, they are voted on by the House. Each article agreed to by the entire House becomes a charge that the President must defend himself in a trial in the Senate with the Chief Justice of SCOTUS acting as judge. If the Senate (by 2/3 vote) approves any of the articles the President is removed from office.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 10:54 PM
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9. okey dokey--who's on the house judiciary? n/t
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 11:32 PM
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10. Judiciary membership
Senselessbrenner (R) Wisconsin, 5th, chairman :evilfrown:
Conyers (D) Michigan, 14th, Ranking member O8)

Democrats:
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Berman (D) California, 28th
Boucher (D) Virginia, 9th
Nadler (D) New York, 8th
Scott (D) Virginia, 3rd
Watt (D) North Carolina, 12th
Lofgren (D) California, 16th
Jackson Lee (D) Texas, 18th
Waters (D) California, 35th
Meehan (D) Massachusetts, 5th
Delahunt (D) Massachusetts, 10th
Wexler (D) Florida, 19th
Weiner (D) New York, 9th
Schiff (D) California, 29th
Sánchez (D) California, 39th
Van Hollen (D) Maryland, 8th
Wasserman Schultz (D) Florida, 20th

Repugs:
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Hyde (R) Illinois, 6th
Coble (R) North Carolina, 6th
Smith (R) Texas, 21st
Gallegy (R) California, 24th
Goodlatte (R) Virginia, 6th
Chabot (R) Ohio, 1st
Lungren (R) California, 3rd
Jenkins (R) Tennessee, 1st
Cannon (R) Utah, 3rd
Bachus (R) Alabama, 6th
Inglis (R) South Carolina, 4th
Hostettler (R) Indiana, 8th
Green (R) Wisconsin, 8th
Keller (R) Florida, 8th
Issa (R) California, 49th
Flake (R) Arizona, 6th
Pence (R) Indiana, 6th
Forbes (R) Virginia, 4th
King (R) Iowa, 5th
Feeney (R) Florida, 24th
Franks (R) Arizona, 2nd
Gohmert (R) Texas, 1st

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renaissanceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 12:34 AM
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11. Anyone have connections to Cindy Sheehan?
She needs to meet with these folks!
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 12:35 AM
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12. thank you!
my monitor is fried and it's very hard for me to see a lot of web sites.

now...to compose letters....get their emails....and begin the campaign.

hummmm.....now which one of these republicans will have enough soul/morals/ethics/conscience to write up those articles of impeachment.
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 01:13 AM
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19. Well,
On the Dem side, we know that we'd probably get all of them. Conyers is ranking member and Waters andJackson Lee (also from the Black Caucus) would be very helpful. For the Repugs, Hyde, Feeney, and the illustrious chair Senselessbrenner are hopeless. I am unfamiliar with any of the others.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 01:50 AM
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22. "Hyde, Feeney, and the illustrious chair Senselessbrenner are hopeless"
i don't know feeney but i know hyde has not ethics and sensenbrenner is a major dick. maybe i'll google around on the others.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 12:41 AM
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13. I think Henry Waxman has had the A of I ready to go since 2003, but
He needs a ReThuglican co-sponsor.

I think it's Waxman, but it could be one of the other Dems though, I'll have to search for it.
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 01:14 AM
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20. Waxman's not on Judiciary.
n/t
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 03:34 PM
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32. Any member can introduce Articles of Impeachment
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ISUGRADIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 01:14 AM
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21. Anyone in the House can introduce Articles of Impeachment
no Repub is needed. It was done against Reagan in the 1980s.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 12:54 AM
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16. This group of repukes will NEVER do it.
Think Democrat House and Senate in '06!

That's the ONLY way. And won't it be FUN TO WATCH!!!
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 01:01 AM
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17. Update. We only NEED the House of Representatives
Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 01:01 AM by ProudDad
There's no way that the Dems will be able to get 67 Senators elected with the courage and integrity to convict * even if we could get articles of impeachment passed in the House.

BUT...

Nixon resigned before his impeachment trial could commence in the Senate and I think the current coward in chief would be forced by his handlers to do the same.

We ONLY need the House of Representatives next year. Let's go GET IT!


(Edited for grammer)
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ISUGRADIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 01:13 AM
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18. Nixon resigned because he was down to 10 voted in the Senate
according to Goldwater. He would have been removed if the Senate trial had occured.

Unless Bush thought he would be convicted he would not resign.
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nickinSTL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:33 AM
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30. don't bet on it
I doubt Bush would resign...even if his 'handlers' pushed him to.

That would require something akin to an admission of having been wrong, of responsibility. Which we all know Bush is incapable of.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 03:56 AM
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24. Here's a link to one of the 2003 A of I drafts
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 04:00 AM
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25. Here's a Draft from 2004
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 04:04 AM
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26. OR! We need less that 1/2 Million more "Citizen Co-sponsors" here
<http://www.votetoimpeach.org/>

Let's Make It a Million!

553,468:

the number of people who have already voted
in the referendum to Impeach Bush!

CAST YOUR VOTE -> <http://www.votetoimpeach.org/>
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ReadTomPaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 04:26 AM
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27. It will take a national strike and shutdown, at the very least.
Bush won't be impeached, he will have to be forcibly removed from office. He will never leave willingly, even after his term is over in a few years.

It's going to take some sort of federal or internationally sanctioned body to have him ejected. The best we can do now is shut down the country with a national strike and by this action lead others in his party or the military to remove him via appropriate channels. I don't hold high hopes.

Whatever happens, don't expect the Dem establishment to be involved. I expect the party leadership will fight any such moves to oust Bush to preserve the beltway status quo to which they have become accustomed. Sad to say, only other republicans (ie. Fitz) and LE/military have the power to stop Bush's political machine now.

Thank goodness for Dems like Conyers, they are the only reason I keep the faith.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:19 AM
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28. Bush will leave when his term ends
and his replacement is elected. Just like all the other presidents. (except Nixon)
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ReadTomPaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 03:06 PM
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31. Bush won't leave except for another Bush or a proxy. Mark my words.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:27 AM
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29. Here's a recent email from Ramsey Clark from impeachbush.org
Hurricane Katrina, Another Impeachable Crime

The stunning human tragedy of Katrina makes the impeachment of President Bush more urgent. His priority is not poor people, but militarism to exploit the poor at home and abroad.
President Bush sent National Guard units to Iraq from Alabama, Louisiana and Mississippi in a criminal war of aggression and military occupation. They were thus unavailable to provide emergency services in their own states, or protect their own families. He refused to return them from Iraq to save and serve their own people, instead only authorizing the return of some Air National Guard personnel to protect and repair equipment at an Air Force Base. These forces and the resources that they command should be used to meet people's needs, not for violence.
His tax cuts for the rich, huge increases in military spending and deliberate slashes in social programs, including those funds specifically requested for flood control and to strengthen dikes in New Orleans and the surrounding areas, and his complete failure to even consider emergency transportation for the known poor in the path of a level-5 hurricane, followed by days of failure to send federal emergency relief personnel to seek and save the many thousands whose lives were known to be threatened, who were pleading for help on television and who faced death, was criminal negligence at best, and a failure to faithfully perform his duties as President.
George W. Bush will never recognize the rights or human dignity of the immense and growing population of Americans - overwhelmingly African American and other minorities and elderly - living in Third World conditions here at home. They were the principal victims of Katrina, as they are of his failure to assure equal protection of the laws to all. Their plight and peril will worsen while President Bush remains President.
The only act that can stop President Bush from continuing his criminal war of aggression against Iraq and his arrogant criminal acts and threats against Cuba, Haiti, Iran, Korea, Syria, Venezuela and any country in his path is impeachment. Impeachment is an act already two years past due. The cost of delay is staggering: two thousand U.S. military deaths, ten thousand and more wounded, many thousands more disabled, more than 100,000 Iraqi deaths, several hundred thousand injured, nearly $200,000,000 in federal funds, and even greater damage to Iraq in shattered lives and smashed cities and infrastructure. The cost of delay, already staggering, is greater every day.
While proclaiming freedom his credo, George W. Bush has done more to destroy freedom and the human dignity which it nourishes than all other Presidents in our history. Who would have dreamed of Abu Ghraib, scores of prisoners murdered, assassinations and summary executions, Guantanamo, thousands imprisoned in the U.S. without Constitutional protections, or sent to be tortured in client states with impunity, all for a President and those acting for him? What prior President has proclaimed himself above the law, coerced more than 100 countries into bilateral treaties promising never to surrender a U.S. citizen to the International Criminal Court?
The world watches and wonders why, if the American people are free, they fail to resist the criminal violence of their President.
The only act that can redeem the United States in the hearts and minds of those still capable of forgiving and believing our government can change its violent ways is the impeachment of George W. Bush and the responsible officials of his administration before it is too late.
The time to begin a final drive for impeachment is now. Together, we are not helpless. Power is in the people united for peace. Perseverance through the midterm Congressional elections in November 2006 can force incumbent members of the House of Representatives to impeach President Bush or face defeat. Failing that, it can restore integrity and honor to the President's oath to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
The Constitution, written with the abuses of King George III painfully in mind, is unequivocal in the action required for criminal conduct of civil officers of the United States:
"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors." Article II, Section 4.
The Nuremberg Judgment proclaimed war of aggression "the Supreme international crime." World War II was comprised of wars of aggression. President Bush boasted assassination and summary executions in his 2003 State of the Union message.
We need your help. Vote to Impeach. Persuade others to vote to impeach now.
The impeachment campaign will be achieving its largest ever street visibility by organizing a huge contingent on September 24th, at what will be the largest peace demonstration in Washington D.C. since the war of aggression against Iraq began in March 2003. The demonstration will call loud and clear for impeachment, withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq and Afghanistan, and full reparations to the victims of U.S. violence.
We are organizing buses from many cities on September 24th. Ticket prices are being kept low so that everyone who wants to come can attend. Printing banners, signs, posters add to the expenses. We are also preparing to publish another round of full page ads in the New York Times and other newspapers so that the message of impeachment resonates not only on September 24, but in the critical weeks and months ahead.
We need money now to help promote and transport people who want peace to Washington on September 24, for the next round of newspaper ads, and for the acceleration and continuation of the impeachment drive into the Congressional elections next year. Please take a moment to make a much needed donation, by clicking here.
Sincerely,
Ramsey Clark

http://impeachbush.org/
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