For those Politicians who support the War! Six more troops died today!

[trumad]

What do you have to say about that.?.. Do you still support the War!? What if say uhhhh 25 died today, would you still support the War? What if 100 died in the next week, would you still support the War?!

Or what if 50,000 die in say... 10 years, whould you still say it was a good idea to support this fucking War! How many lives must be lost before you reconsider your support for this illegal war?

BTW: Fuck the Economy, Fuck Medicade, and Fuck the Environment...THIS War is the single most important issue in this Country...PERIOD!

[wtmusic]

1. Very true, true-mad...

How many have to die. Sheesh, 6 in one day. This is horrible.

Sure glad they caught Saddam. :eyes:

[killbotfactory]

2. No WMD. No links to Al-Qaeda.

They died for no fucking reason.

[cavebat2000]

3. You are saying that with a lieberman pic?

Wow.

[killbotfactory]

10. The pic is a joke

The war is not.

[sangh0]

4. "THIS War is the single most important issue in this Country"????

Why is that? If it's because of all the dead people, then I wonder why the Americans who die from a lack of health care (or the death penalty, or drugs, etc) are not as important as the Iraqis who die from being bombed by our military?

6. equally important

It's just as important.
Yet, I think there is one difference. The deaths in Iraq are more along the lines of a sin of Commission, the deaths in the US are more along the lines of a sin of Omission.

[trumad]

7. Well said....

[sangh0]

8. Omission vs. Commission --- How so?

Both are the result of decisions we make here at home.

Americans die from a lack of health care because we have deliberately and intentionally decided to NOT supply it.

[trumad]

9. Hey I agree...

Buy the way..you support the war don't you?

[sangh0]

12. No, I don't but

I don't obsess over it on a daily basis.

[trumad]

18. Well Damn..Ya must not be a VET

I am...and when I see 6 more troops get get, 3 from my old unit the 82nd...I tend to be a bit obsessed with it! What, Martha Stewart got your attention instead?

[sangh0]

20. Gee, would it be fair if I said

that "Ya must not be a human"??? I think not.

I work for a charity that helps poor people get the services they need to live. Because of that, I tend to be somewhat more sympathetic to their plight than the avg citizen, but I would never accuse someone of not caring simply because their priorities were different than mine.

[trumad]

23. You outta be obssesed with this war

because it's taking billions away from our country...Money that could be well spent Poor People and all your favorite charities!

[wtmusic]

25. exactly

it's not only killing soldiers--the money could save lives here.

[sangh0]

27. No, I don't have to be obssesed with any war

The lack of universal health care costs us billions. Our criminal justice system wastes billions incarcerating non-violent felons.

War is wrong, but there's no special category of wrong reserved for war. When people die from causes other than war, they are just as dead as the victims of war.

[sangh0]

28. BTW trumad, many vets support a candidate who voted for IWR

Many vets are supporting Kerry, who voted for IWR, so the implication that vets must be against someone who voted for IWR is obviously untrue.

21. I don't exactly disagree with you here

Granted, I'm drawing kind of a fine line between the two. What I was trying to get at is that with the Iraqi dispute there is a direct, unambiguous cause and effect between the action and the result. With issues regarding lack of health care it's not as direct. I think that it's harder to argue that with health care that deliberate intention is at work, at least in the sense of deliberately causing death.
That's why I phrased it how I did -- one is more along the lines of commission than the other.

[sangh0]

26. I didn't think you did

In fact, I think most people would agree with me that dead is dead.

And I think you would agree with me that there is a direct, unambigous cause and effect between not providing health care, and the patient dying.

And if you want to talk about deliberately causing death, I could tell you about some death penalty cases where the prosecutor deliberately witheld exculpatory evidence. My employer works on those also.

And so yes, I understand why you made the distinction. However, I don't think it's an appropriate and reasonable distinction. I think it seems to make sense due to the emotionality of war.

Dead is dead.

30. thanks for helping me to refine my thinking on this subject

The difference for me revolves around political versus moral issues.
I think that politicians can be called on their support for war on the level of saying "yes your actions intentionally have caused death."
& I think that prosecutors can be called out for not releasing exculpatory evidence.
But I think that calling politicians out regarding deliberately causing death by not supporting health care is kind of a dicey proposition.
In a legal sense, I doubt in any of the three cases they would be held accountable, but I think a stronger case could be made in the first two.
As far as personally holding all three cases accountable, I would and I can see why you would not view it as being appropriate to make the distinction. The reason I think it is appropriate to make the distinction is because to go with the absolutist position (even if it is correct) runs the risk of having one's views discounted for not being "realistic". The truth of the position does not necessarily mean that it will fly in the political realm.

[For PaisAn]

5. Yes

Their IWR vote was inexcusable, period. That's why they are at the bottom of my list. Shame on them. They'll never be able to spin a justification that means a damn thing to me.

[janx]

14. Same here. I cringe just thinking about that.

:-(

[AP]

11. For those who don't, two-thirds of Americans think Democrats are weaker on

national security than Democrats.

How do you plan on winning a general election if you're willing to jeopardize the votes of about 30% of all Democrats, and every single Republican, including moderate swing voters?

[trumad]

19. Fine with that

but how many think this war in Iraq is going swell... Did you see that poll the other day... Less than 50 percent think it's great. So>>>> When is enough enough....?

[LiberalBushFan]

22. So how is someone who "voted for the war"

and now and is now complaining about it going to change that opinion? If you're concerned about that issue, the only good choice is Clark.

[HFishbine]

24. How do we win? Oohh, oohh. I know!

Sacrifice our principles, right?

[janx]

29. That seems to be the concensus of the entrenched govt., yes.

It must be very comfortable feeling that way, eh?

[lastknowngood]

13. email the iwr voters and let them know that their

cowardly votes helped kill these kids and ruining lives of their family members. It's not just the 520 or so dead it's their wives, children, brothers, sisters, mothers and fathers and even other extended family members whose lives are forever changed and diminished.

[sangh0]

16. Most of those family members

support the war and support the IWR vote.

[bigtree]

17. Sign it

High Horse

[annagull]

15. I really think our candidate must be anti war to have the moral

authority to call it all a big lie. I think if we have a candidate who voted for the IWR, he is going to be pinned by that vote. They will say, "well Senator so and so saw the intelligence and came to the same conclusion as * so why is he flip-flopping now that it's going rough in Iraq"...you get the picture.

[fishnfla]

31. Yeah right, Fuck medicaid

sick children volunteered for their plight in life, discount them. let them suffer and die. they aint old enough to vote anyway, why should any politician give 2 fucks for them?

[mandyky]

32. 2 Iraqi CNN employees were also killed

And one American CNN cameraman was wounded. The opposition attacked a CNN caravan.

33. This isn't a war issue. It's the occupation issue.

We can thank people like Dean for supporting this. He should apologize to the families. Kucinich, Edwards and Kerry voted against the occupation. We need someone who can make tough decisions, someone like these three, in office.