Who In The *Co Admin Said - We Create Our Own Reality?

[global1]

I remember that a quote was attributed to an administration official that said something to the effect that they create their own reality.

We all watched on TV for the last week the 'humanity of it all'. We all saw the neglect and negligence on the part of this administration.

Now they are telling us that we didn't see that.

Just check *'s comment back to Pelosi.

They are doing it to us again.

[ToolTex]

1. "a high administration official in a recent interview with Ron Suskind"

Recipe For Change - by Robert Wrubel

In this gloomy condition, the question we must pose is what can a progressive do? Is there any point in being a Democrat? Is there any future for labor? What are the root issues we should work on -- electoral reform, media reform, health care for all, curbing the military? For writers and intellectuals, there is the further issue raised by the remarkable statement attributed to a high administration official in a recent interview with Ron Suskind: "We are an empire now; we determine reality. You (intellectuals and journalists) can study it all you want, we just make new realities before you're finished." (I take this to mean, while we slowly realized that "compassionate conservative" meant just the opposite of what it sounded, they had already moved on to "healthy forests" and "No Child Left Behind"; or while we argued about WMD, they had already shifted to "regime change," "spreading democracy," etc.)

In this situation, many of the issues that occupy us -- judicial appointments, confidentiality for journalists, presidential elections themselves -- may be just phantoms, red-herrings tossed out to keep progressives busy and away from the deeper issues that confront us.

http://swans.com/library/art11/wrubel01.html

[bleever]

4. That's the correct cite. I've always guessed either Rove or Cheney.

Rove's modus operandi and purview, but Cheney's diction.

[TomClash]

2. Some Unidentified Bushnik Aide

It sounds a lot like this though: "It is the absolute right of the state to supervise the formation of public opinion."

Or this: "All propaganda must be so popular and on such an intellectual level, that even the most stupid of those toward whom it is directed will understand it... Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way around, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise."

The first quote is from Josef Goebbels.
The second quote is from Adolph Hitler.

[arewenotdemo]

11. Really incredible quotes...and great point!

[TomClash]

18. Thank you

and try getting some more dems elected in that State, will ya? ;)

[Mz Pip]

3. Why Bush is still popular

IF you don't pay attention, who would you rather believe? THe folks from BushCo who continually tell everyone how well things are going, from Iraq to NOLA or those nasty negative Dems who paint such a bleak and sorry picture of our country and the world?

Herein lies the problem. Reality sucks but people just dont want to hear that. They would rather hear the pretty lies than the ugly truth. PRetty soon that ugly truth is going to bite nearly everyone on their complacent little asses. By then I fear it will be too late to do much to make things better.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[ToolTex]

7. But they made a Faustian bargain and got ripper off.

They traded privacy and freedom for *'s promise to keep them safe. And when the chips were down he didn't come through. Now what can the pitiful freeper bastards do? Bet ya he won't give em their Liberty back!

[mcscajun]

5. Here's the full quote from the original Ron Suskind article

in the NYT Magazine:

The aide said that guys like me were ''in what we call the reality-based community,'' which he defined as people who ''believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.'' I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. ''That's not the way the world really works anymore,'' he continued. ''We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.''

[Kagemusha]

6. I'm studying what they're doing in abject horror

It's a sick feeling.

[mcscajun]

8. Ain't it the truth?

We're all pretty sick this week/month/year/(P)residential term...and there doesn't seem to be an effective "physic" to cure this illness.

[ToolTex]

9. I think there is not a cure by political means, any longer.

Remember the "early" Shrub Doctrine? That the USA is the only superpower, and that they, (* & co), will not allow any other to ever develop enough strength to challenge us. (Makes me wonder what they intend to do about China).

[bobbieinok]

10. is there a web link with entire article??

[mcscajun]

12. Here's the link...

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F30F1EF93A5F0C748DDDA90994DC404482

[applegrove]

13. A total sociopathic grandiose statement. Having no soul - sociopaths

always require "and audience" when they describe their own feats of greatness.

They will say "oh people are going to be really jealous of me" and I did this.

Or "my classmates think" I am good at this.

In the quote you mention, someone was going to be making up reality and then changing it, and the press were going to be there taking notes on how great the person was.

[NVMojo]

14. I remember an article about that ...thought it was Rove???

[applegrove]

15. I think most people think it is.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

16. I think it was Mark McKinnon.

[The Sleeper]

17. That's why we don't matter to them.

We are not part of their reality, and they will do ANYTHING to keep it that way.