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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:36 AM
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Congnitive Dissonance
I have my own idea of what congnitive dissonance means...However, can someone please expalin to me how it is being used in context to the Right...

Thanks...

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mirandaod Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:41 AM
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1. The right wing's opinions
are so firmly fixed in their heads that, no matter how obvious and strong the evidence is to the contrary, they still cling to their opinions.

That's how I see it, anyway.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:41 AM
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2. best recent example: Brown claiming to not know about the conv. center
until days after it had been plastered to our television screens.

Essentially, he's admitting his incompetence, but doesn't see that. he sees it instead as postive spin absolviing him of accountability.

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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 01:58 PM
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11. The right know if they say something that their supporters will buy it
even if there is glaring proof that the exact opposite is true.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:44 AM
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3. Having two contradictory ideas in your head at the same time
It's supposed to hurt. You're supposed to do something about it.

Freepers don't or can't.

Here's an example.

Premise 1: My boss is a good man.
Premise 2: My boss cut my pay for no good reason.

Conclusion: There's something wrong with one of my premises.

Freeper example:

Premise 1: Preacher Smith is a good man.
Premise 2: Preacher Smith is stealing from the poor fund and spending it on hookers.

Conclusion: Do nothing.
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:51 AM
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5. Good explanation: those 2 contradictory ideas will either lead to
Edited on Thu Sep-08-05 10:53 AM by Wordie
action...as one revises one's ideas to fit the new information.

...or denial and a total filtering out of any information that doesn't fit the idea the person chooses to go with.
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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 11:02 AM
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7. So....
It is sort of it's own "Rule fo Inference" - not Modus Tolens or Modus Ponens. Sort of a syllogism that is based in denial.

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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 01:57 PM
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10. The 'dissonance' part is having 2 ideas that contradict
People resolve dissonance either by changing one of the opinions to agree with the other, or (occasionally) by 'logic tight' thinking, which requires that the person not examine the contradiction at all.

So in the example of the boss gratuitously cutting the person's pay,
it can be resolved by re-structuring one of the perceptions:
-- my boss is NOT a nice guy, he's really a creep for cutting my pay
-- I must be a loser if such a nice guy would do that to me
or by denying there's a contradiction
-- sure, he cut my pay unfairly, but he's really a fine guy.
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:49 AM
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4. The layman's term is "Stupid". n/t
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:57 AM
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6. The examples given are good... here's a link that might help
define it a bit for some (I posted it when I used the term here yesterday referring to Bush if I remember right): http://tip.psychology.org/festinge.html">Cognitive Dissonance.

Bush's comment to Nancy Pelosi imo would be symptomatic of what seems to be his ever increasing cognitive dissonance. Although I'm not an expert I believe it would be fairly consistent with the belief of some that he is a sociopath.

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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 11:03 AM
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8. Link Doesn't Come Up
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 12:12 PM
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9. Sorry about that... here...
Cog Diss

I had not only forgotten to take out the "http" I somehow ended up with an extra as well.
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