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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 06:59 PM
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Should impeachment talk wait until NOLA is on its way back?
I would sooner dedicate ALL available resources to the Katrina victims until a plan has been devised and its implementation begun. Then turn ALL attention to 5 years of crimes and misdemeanors.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 07:09 PM
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1. NO
the NeoCons have no plan, but to coverup, coverbutt, and continue raping the world.

remove them AND continue helping to the best of our abilities. We can multi-task.

dp
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sepia_steel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 07:09 PM
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2. I'm with you, dweller. eom
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 07:11 PM
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3. Call for impeachment now!
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 07:16 PM
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4. Hell, no! You gotta strike while the iron is hot.
You hit 'em now when they're vulnerable.

You Don't Wait for Passions to Cool.

We can keep the heat on both issues simultaneously; they are, after all, intimately linked.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 07:19 PM
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5. It's a crying shame that a Democrat hasn't brought up impeachment
charges as of yet. It's perfectly legal for any member of the House to do so, majority or no majority.

If we keep waiting, a Republican will finally do it, and then we'll look more foolish than ever for having waited by the sidelines doing nothing.

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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 07:40 PM
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6. SAve N.O.--- impeach BUSH
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 07:43 PM
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7. Two different skill sets...one group helps NOLA victims, one group
sends these dumbfucks to jail.

We're a big tent, remember? We got all kinds of campers that can do all kinds of stuff. :thumbsup:
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:00 PM
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8. If you were from NO, with a few dead and lost, what would you want? nt
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kbm8795 Donating Member (337 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:13 PM
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9. I get so incensed when I hear people questioning whether
we can afford to rebuild New Orleans while doing all this infinite war on terrah. . .and you know what? It doesn't matter - we must always choose to rebuild American FIRST. We need to make them understand that there is no discussion about that point, just as there is no discussion about how the American people expect our government to protect the lives of our citizens as the FIRST priority.

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Talismom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:27 PM
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10. No way! Then the line will be that we gotta get it behind us--move on! n/t
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erpowers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:37 PM
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11. Control Congress
I contend that the talk of impeachment should be held off until Democrats have control of Congress. I do not say this in that I feel that it would hurt the Democrats chances to win Congress. I say this becuase there is no chance that Bush will be impeached if Democrats are not in charge of Congress. The Democrats should try to win back control of Congress and then put forward the case for impeachment.
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 09:04 PM
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12. Don't wait! Talk about it now!
Impeach, indict and imprison!

:)
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John_R_Kelly Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 09:11 PM
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13. No NO and NO - and here's a suggestion for an impeachment letter
Articles of Impeachment must come from the House Judiciary Committee. If you are in agreement that Bush, Cheney and his misadministration should be removed from office, would you please send this letter to both Democrats and REPUBLICANS on the Committee and ALL in Congress, so they can know just how serious we are. Fax is best, and e mail is next best. Snail mail is held up for weeks. And to all groups or mailing lists you have?

Membership of Judiciary Committee http://judiciary.house.gov/CommitteeMembership.aspx

Most complete list of e mail/fax addresses of Congress:
http://www.conservativeusa.org/mega-cong.htm

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Dear Congressman/Senator _____________________

It's time.

Now the entire country is witness to Bush’s Impeachable offenses and Misdemeanors of :

Dereliction of Duty, Abuse of Office, Violation of Public Trust.

We have listed the proof of Bush's dereliction of duty and violations of Public Trust at the URL here:

"NOW IS THE TIME - LIST HERE BUSH's DERELICTION OF DUTY - FOR IMPEACHMENT "
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2061707


Congress must level charges at both Bush and Cheney of Abuse of Office, Dereliction of Duty, and Violation of Public Trust.


1)Abuse of Office: Bush & Cheney. On Wednesday August 31 the announcement came, days before the people in New Orleans were rescued, given water or MRE's, that Halliburton had been awarded the contract for rebuilding in New Orleans. Without bid. and to a company who had been caught overcharging the U.S. taxpayer $100 million in Iraq.


2)Abuse of Office & Dereliction of Duty: A transcript of Tim Russert's Meet The Press has Republican governor Barbour stating he had national guard, food, fuel, water and all that he needed on MONDAY, while President Broussard of Jefferson Parrish Louisiana broke down in tears on national tv at the death of his citizens stating that even as of that day, Sunday Sept 4, seven (7) days after the hurricane, he did not have food, water, fuel, Red Cross or national guard and as a matter of fact such items had been sent to him by private parties and FEMA refused to let these desperately needed items through: that FEMA even had cut the lines of his emergency communications.

The text of his interview with Russert is here:transcript: <http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9179790 /


3) Abuse Of Office & Dereliction of Duty: When Republican Governor Barbour of Mississippi who was interviewed after Mr. Broussard on Russert said "I don;t know what went on in Louisiana but I had guard, food , water and everything I needed on Monday (August 29)- I understood. The world understood.

Mr. Bush is known to be a vindictive person. It is obvious that FEMA on orders did not service the Democratic governor's constituents , never mind that it would cause their deaths, while taking excellent care of the Republican’s constituents. I as we all are, am horrified at what Bush has done.

The food, water, buses, private aid, life saving boats, guard, volunteers and help of any kind were kept outside of New Orleans and not allowed in for a full five days, as we all saw recorded for posterity on television.

I have numerous instances with links in the URL above as proof of this. Many who rushed to New Orleans with supplies, boats, medicine, doctors, sheriffs, aid and transport called by the Mayor of New Orleans and Governor of Louisiana were rebuffed and sent away by FEMA and the National Guard on Thursday and before. FEMA & the Guard under orders, essentially blockaded New Orleans and the Parishes causing dehydration of thousands and allowing drowning resulting in deaths.

It's beyond comprehension that any President of the United States would sacrifice thousands of American lives to play politics to bestow favoritism on Republican governors and ignore the desperate pleas of American citizens living in Democratic Governors’ areas , however without doubt it is the conclusion after Tim Russert interviewed (R) Gov Haley Barbour of Mississippi who said he had everything he needed on Monday 8/29 but didn't know what went on in Louisiana, (as did the republican governor of Alabama) while County Manager (D)Aaron Broussard of Jefferson Parrish in Louisiana broke down and cried on national television on Sunday 9/4 that his people were dying and he still didn't have guard, food, water, gas, Red Cross or any life saving assistance 7 days after the hurricane, despite promises every day from FEMA and President Bush "that the calvary was coming". In fact, while Broussard’s people were dying, FEMA was turning away gas, water, and food trucks from New Orleans and Broussard's area, even those sent by private organizations such as Walmart.

The importance of the Russert interview of the two men is primary to understant what George Bush was doing.

Payback.

Originally it was thought Bush’s intention was genocide of the minority population. But after hearing (R)Haley Barbour and (D)President Broussard on the same program experiencing the absolute opposite result in life saving assistance, it could be understood this was Payback against Democrat voting Louisiana by a vindictive George Bush.

Did Bush realize the deaths his vindictive actions would cause? .

If so , what he has done is criminal homicide of American citizens;

At the very least, his dereliction of duty and abuse of power is manslaughter,

Either way, what he has done is criminal, impeachable and it's time for him to go.


a)The Chicago Tribune reports that the U.S.S. Bataan, equipped with six operating rooms, hundreds of hospital beds and the ability to produce 100,000 gallons of fresh water a day, has been sitting off the Gulf Coast since last Monday 8/29- waiting for orders from the President, which never came.


b)The BBC interviewed Lieutenant Sean Kelly of Northcom who stated over radio they had been prepared for rescue three days before the hurricane hit and were awaiting orders from the President, which did not come. (Transcipt of interview in above URL)


c)Bush has stated " No one knew this could happen"

Dr. Max Mayfield, director of the National Hurricane Center, told the Times-Picayune Sunday afternoon that officials with the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the Department of Homeland Security, including FEMA Director Mike Brown and Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, listened in on electronic briefings given by his staff in advance of Hurricane Katrina slamming Louisiana and Mississippi--and were advised of the storm’s potential deadly effects.

"Mayfield said the strength of the storm and the potential disaster it could bring were made clear during both the briefings and in formal advisories, which warned of a storm surge capable of overtopping levees in New Orleans and winds strong enough to blow out windows of high-rise buildings," the paper reported. "He said the briefings included information on expected wind speed, storm surge, rainfall and the potential for tornados to accompany the storm as it came ashore. "We were briefing them way before landfall," Mayfield said. "It’s not like this was a surprise. We had in the advisories that the levee could be topped."


D) An incomplete list of aid turned away by Bush and Fema to the Democratic areas of Louisiana:

- won't accept Amtrak's help in evacuations

- turns away experienced firefighters

- turns back Wal-Mart supply trucks filled with desperately needed water and food

- prevents Coast Guard from delivering diesel fuel

- won't let Red Cross deliver food or water to New Orleans or Louisiana parrishes

- bars morticians from entering New Orleans

- blocks 500-boat citizen flotilla from delivering aid and searching for survivors.

- tells volunteer air boat searchers they have to pay for their own gas: $500 to 700 a day.

-gives no orders to Navy ship Baataan awaiting to assist parked in Gulf with 600-bed hospital on board and

capability of supplying 100,000 gallons of water p/day.

-Chicago has a convoy of trucks loaded with aid. Told to send just one truck

-FEMA turns away generators

-Canadian Red Cross from Vancouver BC whose planes were blocked by FEMA from entering the U.S. to aid New Orleans

-Aid offered by every country in the world not accepted.

-FEMA: "First Responders Urged Not To Respond"( straight from FEMA's website.)

Dereliction of Duty by Bush & Cheney: No orders were given out in fact until the President returned from his cake eating, guitar strumming, fund raising jaunt to California on Thursday evening, 4 days after the hurricane hit.

I sincerely hope that the compilation of information will help you bring this to the Judiciary Committee and every member of congress for the impeachment of Bush and Cheney and the entire mis-administration .

Very truly yours,


P.S.
and this map should be included too, showing republican counties ordered protected and not democrat voting counties. Explain that.

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2005/9/8/62853/79591


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CascadeTide Donating Member (164 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 09:34 PM
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14. Everyday Joe in NOLA will be much better served w/o Bush
buth the problem is if he is impeached we get the Dick. I think it was no small mistake to put such a detestable man as 2nd in line for the presidency. They knew it would thwart any slight attempt to impeach a man they knew would be doing things that are impeachable.

The real question is can we impeach them both simultaneously?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 09:38 PM
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15. Nope, and maybe Fitzy has something up his sleeve and ready to go
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 01:07 AM
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16. No
Visualize Impeachment next year when the Dems take over the House again.

ain't gonna happen when the repukes are in control of the House.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 01:08 AM
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17. ABSOLUTELY NOT! . . .
every day that BushCo remains in office makes it that much harder to reverse, or at least stem, the damage they are doing -- it it's even possible . . .
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 01:11 AM
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18. NO! Here's why.
In my opinion, this is the 64 million dollar question? This Government of ours can try to impeach a President who has a great economy going, he’s keeping us safe, he’s working for the majority of the people, he IS competent and intelligent, fast on his feet in times of need, and can actually, as President, hold a conversation (including receiving questions from OPPONENTS and answering them) because of a personal matter like a sexual indiscretion? Oh, no wait, the deal was that Clinton lied. Hmm. NOONE DIED WHEN CLINTON LIED! However, when Bush fails us in such a colossal and public way (which is apparently obvious to everyone but Bush and those working for him) he is not to be removed from office? That said, if that turns out to be true, then our Federal Government has ceased to function. I mean some of us have doubted for some time that this administration was functional but it will be so incredibly, blatantly obvious to everyone that it is no longer working. I am outraged. I watched all last week as Bush failed not only to act like a President but to act like a human being. I saw him laughing, smiling, joking about drinking too much, patting people on the back for “doing a heck of a job.” WHAT? I DID NOT see was any sense of urgency in his actions; in fact, I saw no action. I saw no concern. I saw no “Compassion” from that “Conservative.” I saw no angst! I was more disturbed than the Bush was. Then, I hear that he asked Nancy Pelosi, “what didn’t go right?” That is shocking and frightening to me. I have a whole list of what didn’t go right. Nancy Pelosi is correct in saying that Bush is DANGEROUS.

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ladylibertee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 01:16 AM
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19. No , It shouldn't wait because....
Edited on Fri Sep-09-05 01:19 AM by ladylibertee
by the time NOLA does get back on it's feet, the King of the RETARDS will no longer be in office and can no longer be held accountable.Do it NOW NOW NOW
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