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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 10:11 AM
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US Poverty figure at 12.7 Percent! We're #1!
Edited on Mon Sep-12-05 10:17 AM by mcscajun
All the quotes are from this week's NEWSWEEK story "The Other America"
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9287641/

An Enduring Shame: Katrina reminded us, but the problem is not new. Why a rising tide of people live in poverty, who they are—and what we can do about it.

"...it's the highest in the developed world and more than twice as high as in most other industrialized countries."

We excel at being the worst of something...Ugh.

"In 1965, CEOs made 24 times as much as the average worker; by 2003, they earned 185 times as much."

185 times as much? Is there anyone in this world who is sane and believes that there is anyone in the working world that's 185 times better than average?
:wtf:

"Who are the poor? With whites making up 72 percent of the population, the United States contains more poor whites than poor blacks or Hispanics. In fact, the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities reports that the increase in white poverty in non-urban areas accounts for most of the recent uptick in the poverty rate. But only a little more than 8 percent of American whites are poor, compared with 22 percent of Hispanics and nearly a quarter of all African-Americans (in a country that is 12 percent black). This represents a significant advance for blacks in recent decades, thanks to the growth of the black middle class, but it's still a shamefully high number. By contrast, immigration has sent poverty among Hispanics up, though it has not been as intractable for them across generations."

Anyway you slice it, "the powers that be" have got it WRONG! Gee, what ELSE is new?

They'd tell you we are the richest country in the world and that we take care of our own. WRONG!

They'd say that CEOs are fairly compensated in line with market realities. That capitalism is good, that a rising tide lifts all boats. That 'trickle-down economics' works. WRONG!

They'd tell you that poverty is a black problem, an urban problem. WRONG! Well, it is, but it is not just a black problem. We have more whites who are poor in this country, simply because we have more whites in this country to begin with. Percentage-wise, we have more black poor and Hispanic poor than white. But we've known for a long time that poverty strikes the black and Hispanics disproportionately. It's better for powers that be, though, to frame it as a black problem, or a "minority" problem and ignore the poor white population in order to make it solely a racial issue and slam an entire group with the charge. They concentrate on the urban poverty because recognizing non-urban poverty would reveal a) the structural underpinnings of poverty, and b) the spread of poverty. They need to deny both.

But remember folks: USA! USA! We're #1! (fuck off)

It's forty years since "The War on Poverty" began and now we have THIRTY-SEVEN MILLION POOR IN THE U.S?
I think I've got to :puke: now.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 10:18 AM
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1. 431 to 1: Ratio of CEO pay to average worker pay in 2004.
BY THE NUMBERS
September 11, 2005 GAW0911
http://www.startribune.com/stories/1519/5606302.html

301 to 1: Ratio of the pay of a chief executive officer of a leading U.S. corporation to the pay of the average worker in 2003.

431 to 1: Ratio of CEO pay to average worker pay in 2004.

21: From 1990 to 2004, percent decline in the number of Americans employed in manufacturing.

58: From 1990 to 2004, percent increase in the output of manufacturing industries in the United States.

102: From the day Martha Stewart entered federal prison to the day she was released from home confinement, percentage increase in the value of Martha Stewart Living Omnimedia stock.

62: Percent increase in the price of gas in Minnesota in the last 12 months.

11: Percent of the price of a gallon of gasoline in the beginning of September 2004 that was accounted for by the state gas tax.

7: Percent that is now accounted for by the state gas tax.

6: Minimum number of states considering a reduction in state gas taxes in response to the price spikes.

2: As of Wednesday, minimum number of states that have filed lawsuits against individuals accusing them of fraud related to Hurricane Katrina.

2,300: As of Wednesday, minimum number of websites claiming to deal in Katrina information and relief, including katrinafamilies.com, which has ties to a white supremacist group.

Compiled by Jonathan Gaw. He can be reached at thenumbers@gaw.net.


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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 10:22 AM
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2. Back when Lenin was writing in London, the numbers were similar
the top elites were actually petrified that the "underclass" would sweep them away.

At some point, the top elites in the US will feel the same way, if these trends continue. There is no alternative - like a pendulum, things will get worse, much worse, before they get better.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 11:43 AM
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4. I seriously think we've nudged that line--think of Barbara Bush's
comments concerning the flood victim's moving to Texas last week. the pendulum swung quite a bit harder after that, I believe.

A "Let them eat cake" moment, indeed.
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 10:48 AM
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3. 153.63 %-- Gallon of gas increase over Sept 2000 amount in Wichita....
Edited on Mon Sep-12-05 10:50 AM by OneTwentyoNine
Last week before prices starting dropping back the numer was at 172.64%.


In 1998 and in 99 a gallon of unleaded gas got down in the .80-.90 range here in Wichita. Thats when the Oil Barron's decided to start systematically shutting down and TEARING down refineries--all the while blaming it on environmental issues and Liberal tree huggers.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 11:46 AM
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5. That's an issue and a statistic the working AMerican can understand.
And is also intensely affected by.

Yesterday, even my rightie daily printed an article about how home prices were far outpacing wages in my area.

These are the issues we need to hammer on.
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 11:47 AM
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6. It's been 40 years since the War on Poverty, but 25 years ago
Reagan came in and started gutting all those programs. So there were only about 15 years in the actual war, then Repukes stopped it and got busy making the rich richer.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 12:21 PM
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7. I'm not making light of the impact of the Reagan years...
Edited on Mon Sep-12-05 12:21 PM by mcscajun
...I know when the lights were turned off. It just keeps getting darker, somehow.

:(
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 02:10 PM
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9. Yeah, I know.
Sometimes it seems like the French Revolution will never come.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 01:47 PM
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8. What poor? We're all middle class! Just ask the dem party!
or, maybe there are 37 million without political representation...
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 02:12 PM
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10. 21.5% of all children grow up in poverty-- people w/kids are more likely
Edited on Mon Sep-12-05 02:13 PM by Nikki Stone 1
to be poor than people without them if the total percentage is 12.1%.
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Hidden Stillness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 06:36 PM
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11. Yes, It is Actually All of Us
Thank you for this perceptive thread. I have been getting increasingly angry at the "Poverty is All Racial and If You Don't Agree With Me I am Going to Attack You and You are Not a Liberal" threads here on DU since the hurricane struck. From the tone of them, it seems to me that they are almost all by rich white people playing a game, whether they know it or not, that I call, briefly, "I'm One of the Good Ones--I 'Get It'--(So Don't Expect a Donation)." Over the past several years, I have learned what poverty and lack is; I grew up middle class, used to be middle class, and now lower middle class and by yearly income, am actually poor. I never thought it would happen, but since Bush, I live here permanently now, in poverty. I am a white woman. I do not start off the discussion with an abstract approach that charts the effects of segregation, and lead to the foregone conclusion I wanted to reach anyway; I begin my awareness of poverty and the pressure of not having enough money, by waking up each day.

I loved your closing comments about how this is likely a deliberate attempt to paint it as a racial issue, exactly to cause divisiveness and pin it all on black people; this is actually my opinion, too. Which is the largest single group on welfare/General Assistance? White women (with children). Which is the largest single group filing Affirmative Action discrimination claims? White women. I believe the pretense that Affirmative Action is a "racial" "quota" is maintained exactly so that people will not realize (and research) how America itself has been helped by the myriad of laws and regulations that make up Affirmative Action. The Americans With Disabilities Act, giving wheelchair-access, is after all an Affirmative Action law (Civil Rights Act of 1991).

Most poor people are white, and I have read studies that claim that the per capita poorest people in this country are not black at all, but are the totally cut-off, dirt-poor whites of Appalachia, who do not register on most statistics, because they do not apply for government programs, either because they are so poor they don't know about these programs, because of shame, or because of lack of access. Apparently DU is unaware of them because they were not hit by a hurricane recently; that's what it takes. When the media coverage of Hurricane Katrina shows New Orleans exclusively, as if this were a local event, and not the mainly poor white crowds of the devastated in Mississippi and more rural Louisiana, then you know it is a manipulated narrowing-down of the same type they did with Sept. 11th, which suddenly "only" happened to New York City. Also, recent Census data proved that college-educated white women are paid less than not only black males, but black women. Black women are paid more than Asian women. Not a blip on DU. Lots of "Who Gives a Fuck About the Dead, Raped White Woman?" though, which no group of males stopped or even complained about. So much for "being against bigotry" and "facing the truth."

Threads about poverty and economic fear on this site, which I have posted on, drop with almost no posts or interest, but the "I am Fighting for the Negro" parlor game gets lots of posts. They actually ask, "If they had been white, would the response have been different?" then answer "OF COURSE," like assholes, and I want to ask these people, "Are you on Rush Limbaugh's illegal drugs? When has the Bush Administration ever, even once, done anything to help any of the American people? When have they done a domestic thing?"

Poverty is getting worse for all of the American people, it is spreading, the jobs are gone, they are not there anymore (I live in the Midwest, badly hurt by this corporate trend), and as Barbara Ehrenreich was just explaining on C-SPAN2, talking to some creepy asshole from the Wall Street Journal, now poverty is reaching to the employed population, who regularly work for poverty wages now. I remember reading a Census statistic from Molly Ivins some years ago, that one-fourth of those who work full-time, 40 hours a week at minimum wage jobs, are homeless. Also, the poverty statistics are fake, the number of poor is actually much higher, as they are always changing the official poverty line, lowering it to ridiculous levels. I know that I am now reaching a stage where my money does not extend and pay everything as before--and I never buy anything! It is all bills--utilities, insurance, up and up--and I know what it is to go day after day with only one meal a day, have not been to a dentist for many years, I know the fear of anything in the house or car going wrong, because it will not get fixed.

I'm sick of reading these phonies for whom poverty, (besides being a boring, "not fun" topic), is a total abstract, a "test" they have devised for your "liberal quotient," when for those of us who suffer it, it is a neverending stress and pressure and increasing misery. You claim people don't face the facts by not calling it racial, I tell you, you face nothing, it is all abstract reading material to you, and I pray that all of us middle class and poor people will unite as one, and face the far harder reality to face, and that is that they have now made it a global corporate system with its own "government" (NAFTA/GATT), located wherever, and it has never been harder to fight. I don't know where it will end, or how.
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