My fellow lefties: forget I even brought it up.

[bee]

edited to remove my original post.

Fuck it. I didnt realize that greens were considered enemies of democrats... or that supporting their views would have me, for the most part, verbally lynched. I guess I need to take a serious look at whether I belong here at DU at all.

[aquart]

1. Buh bye.

[mike_c]

2. see my avatar....

'nuff said. I joined the Green Party in 2004. Now I support progressive dems only, and have party loyalty to a liberal organization that is proud of being labeled "liberal." I like that a lot.

[bowens43]

3. Yes, that worked well for us in florida in 2000.

Bush is in office because of the greens.

[Q]

20. Bush is in office because...

...thousands of Blacks were disenfranchised in Florida and other places, because of an illegal Supreme Court decision stopping legal recounts and because of election fraud by Bush operatives on many levels.

It's sad to see that some Democrats still can't get it right and continue to blame Greens and Nader for the crime of participating in Democracy.

[marbuc]

43. The Supreme Court would not have come into play

If Nader voters in Florida (and other places) voted for Gore. Why do you think Republicans were working so hard to get Nader on the ballot in '04? Yes, the Supreme Court stole the election, but it should never have been close enough to warrant a recount.

[Totally Committed]

4. A third Party cannot win unless the Electoral College is abolished...

And, until then, will only draw votes from one Party or another. While this is true, I will continue to try and fix this Party so it CAN win. On its own. Outright.

We used to stand for all the best things, and now, with all this Corporatist/DLC bullshit, we are running DINOs. That needs to change, not the Party affiliation, bee. Sincerely, think about it.

TC

[bear425]

5. See ya. Oh, and btw...enjoy the next Republican president. n/t

[rhett o rick]

7. Voting blue didn't do any good last election or the one before, what's

changed??? The Demo's are selling out anyway.

[bear425]

14. What Q said here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2084227&mesg_id=2084273

[marbuc]

6. Sorry, but a vote for greens

is a vote for Republicans. Didn't we learn from 2000? This may be controversial, but how I feel.

[bee]

10. wait a second everyone....

Im not saying NO voting for dems. And Jeebus.. why all the negativity? While TC is correct about the antiquated electoral college... is everyone saying there is no point in working to build a third party and reform politics as usual? I dunno... I think thats sad.

[bear425]

22. I'm sorry, but you can't seriously believe your OP wouldn't draw fire

from members of Democratic Underground. I don't believe there is no point in working to build a third party. I just believe more that rebuilding the once great Democratic party is much more beneficial.

I'm currently working locally to get effective Democratic leaders elected. Concurrently, we must reform our election process. I understand your frustration, but trying to split up the dems is not the answer.

[bee]

28. oy. Trying to split up the dems? Isnt that whats already happening?

maybe if the dems were a little more dem-ish it wouldnt occur to people to leave.

[mike_c]

38. now THAT'S democracy....

You can vote for whomever best represents your interests. As long as it's either a democrat or a republican. So much for America's experiment with government "of the people, for the people, by the people."

[fedupinBushcountry]

8. Byebye

don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[blossomstar]

9. oh yes, what a brilliant idea! GREENS caused Bush to win...

Florida? Ohio? Are you thinking clearly??? That would really give them a "slam dunk".

[bee]

11. thats funny... I thought it was the fixed election that caused * to win.

my bad.

[andyhappy]

12. suggestion for the green party

first of all, I have been a registered green since b4 2000 and yes, I voted for nader...I still kick myself for that one.

Anyway...I think the green party should change their name. Right now, it just sounds like the dope smoking tree hugger party (not that there is anything bad about that) but a new name sure would help to draw people.

but wait! They have spent years building up their name. So what. A name change will generate a million articles and interest. People will want to know why they changed their name and the more they learn about this great party, the more impressed they will be.

In the run up to 2004 I was so behind kerry I almost registered as a democrat, but I am glad I stayed green.

The democrats just do not represent this country anymore than the neocons do.

[mike_c]

19. don't feel bad-- I voted for Gore...

...and I still kick myself for that one. Nader was right. It just took me a couple of more years to see it. The 2004 dem campaign was the last straw.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

26. I think there is some merit

to the suggestion, BUT it is an enormous gamble that is likely to elect another Republican.

Maybe the time just wasn't right in 2000; maybe it was Nader..for whatever reason, folks didn't get on board.

But remember a lot of Republicans donated to his war chest for very good reason.

But yet there is something so wonderful about the concept of a healhty, viable and powerful green party. One of these days?

[Q]

13. No thanks...I plan on working to restore the Democratic party...

...to its former glory as the 'party of the people'. This can't be done from the outside.

I don't think in terms of 'Green' or 'Blue'.

Our first goal is to get rid of the sellout politicians of the DLC. Only then can we begin to once again represent the millions of Americans left behind by King George II.

[bee]

16. I use to feel that way too

but the fact is that many dems embrace that organization. And I really dont see that changing. :shrug:

[Don1]

21. I Agree with your strategy.

But how long will you try? 1 year? 2 years? 4 years?

My personal strategy is to try it for 2.

If it doesn't work after 4 years would you admit that some things cannot be changed?

[Q]

29. There should be no time limit...

...you either believe in the Democratic party or you don't. It will take time to replace the DLC sellouts...but it can be done. All we have to do is keep in mind that the DLC represents a tiny minority of Democrats. They're nothing more than a 'think tank' that used Clinton to leech on to our party. They're financed by corporations looking to transform our party into the second, corporate friendly GOP.

2008 could be a great year for grassroots efforts to find, finance and support a progressive candidate. It's up to us to make it happen.

[Q]

32. Dupe post

...sorry.

[firefox]

15. I agree with you

The Greens are also part of an international movement.

[bvar22]

17. Go here instead.

There is a Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party that works FOR all the issues you mentioned.
They don't get much Media Attention because they are FOR dismantling the CorpoMedia.
You will be MORE effective supporting THESE Dems and withholding donations from DLC CorpoDems.

You can find the REAL Democrats Here:
http://www.pdamerica.org/


Notice all the GREEN on the site?

[RethugAssKicker]

18. The more I think of it..

The more I tend to agree with you. So far the Dems have sold us out! Big Time!... But I don't want to give my vote to the Repubs either... Its a difficult decision to make!

[Don1]

23. Reasonable Middle Ground

Vote against the most heinous offenders and fix the party. Showing them that there position is in jeopardy would get them to move left.

[bee]

25. I agree.

But I think that if ALL the people who are more inline with greens actually made the move... that the green party could become JUST as powerfull as the dems. Apparently many people here dont agree. Despite the fact that (I thought) their platform fit perfectly with most of ours it seems that most people would rather dismiss the idea of working for major political reform. I dont get it. Ill vote for dems until such time when a green can REALLY win. But until then I will do my part to make the green party stronger. Thats all Im saying.

[jokerman93]

24. I registered Green during the primaries

It's been increasingly obvious this country's politics run on a defacto one party system now.

Green is good, and would become a stronger and more sophisticated political force if folks took a fresh look at the real possibilities for change that exist here.

Thanks for this post.

[noonwitch]

27. I'll stick with blue, I'm not big on any party that nominated Nader.

The greens are a bit too radical for me, which means they are way to radical to win any national elections at this point in time.

[LoZoccolo]

30. Don't use our message board for this bullshit then, go away leech. n/t

[bee]

39. holy shit dude. congrats on posting the fist response to my post

that actually made me cry.

cleary Ive made a huge fucking mistake in bringing this up. I thought the board was for democracy.... not text-book-dems-ONLY. According to you, I guess I was wrong. I would expect this hatefull shit from freepers. Thanks for the eye-opener.

[Bridget Burke]

41. This board is for Democrats & friends of the Democratic Party.

Your message reads "So... just imagine if we all put our enthusiasm and support into a party that actually reflects our views." Then you amended it to say voting for Democrats was OK. For me, enthusiasm & support includes my vote.

[Zenlitened]

31. No more voting for Democrats for you, then?

Are you simply changing your party affiliation, or are you crossing Dems off the list from here on out?

[bee]

40. I edited my original post to reflect my feelings on this.

I did not say, nor did I mean to imply that I would no longer vote for a dem. Just that I would like to affiliate with a party that reflects my views on the issues. I would not do anything that would result in a repub being in power. And Im really shocked at how many people automatically assume thats the case.

[NYCGirl]

33. As Bugs Bunny used to say: "So long, Screwy. See you in St. Louie!"

Bye.

[stellanoir]

34. red + blue = purple

Though I love the policies of the Greens and their intense reverence towards nature, blue + yellow = green. Symbolically this could be why the progressive Dems are misperceived as more truthful but over intellectual and weak.

I'm going purple. I too think a two party system is bull, and at best, can only result in intractable gridlock. At worst, it has most unfortunately resulted in fascism and a totally disempowered and trivialized opposition party.

There are far more than two points of view in this land of what used to be comprised of lively discussions. Canada is said to have a bunch of parties. I heard that they even have a "sex party" and a "marijuana party. " Have no clue as to whether their platforms argue for more or less of either.

A true spirituality that is tolerant, truly compassionate, inclusive, attentive to those less fortunate, would perhaps attract the droves of disgruntled members of both traditional parties may be the only alternative to transcend our on going national divisiveness and derision.

May be time just about time for a Purple Tea Party indeed.

Purple has been long associated with spiritual transcendance.

"God loves spiritual fruits, not religious nuts."

[Mass]

35. May be you may want to consider the source of the document

This is a document by the Green Party. No surprise that it is so positive to the Greens and so negative to other parties. They are trying to get people to switch to them.

There are dems who agree with these positions. May be you may want to work for them to regain strength in the party rather than leaving the ship.

If not, good luck.

[emulatorloo]

36. Divisive BS. End Result? You feel cool, but Repuglicans are in Power

EOM

[Double T]

37. A third party is political suicide; this is the reason the NEOCONS.....

are running the show today; thank you ralph nader. Blueish Green or Greenish Blue makes a lot more sense, or we will continue to live under the NEOCON tyranny forever. Why the hell do you want to make it easy for them to always win?????

[democracyindanger]

42. Don't let the door hit ya where Ralph Nader split ya.

[Moderator]

44. I'm locking this thread

This thread crosses the line from constructive critism
of the Democratic Party to Actively working against
the Democratic party .