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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 06:51 PM
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Poll question: Al Gore Opinion Poll
What is your view of Al Gore?

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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 06:53 PM
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1. He had Willy's back!
Edited on Mon Sep-12-05 06:56 PM by usregimechange


But also had much more to stand for:

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Amy6627 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 06:55 PM
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3. If Gore were President, 9-11, the Iraq War, and the levees breaking in NO
would not have happened!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 07:00 PM
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10. I concur 100%. Gore would have immediately read and implemented the
urgent proposals in the Hart-Rudman Report on Global Terror if it was handed to him on Jan 30, 2001.

Bush refused to read it.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 10:41 PM
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46. Exactly!
And poverty wouldn't be this way.
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Sarojin Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 11:01 PM
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52. And the US would have signed Kyoto, secured loose nukes
and heavily funded alternative energy sources.

One can dream anyway...
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Blue Topaz Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 11:04 PM
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53. Yes!
I regularly have to smack down repukes who crow about how thankful they are Smirk was President on 9/11. (although after Katrina I think that bubble has finally burst)

I really do believe there is an excellent chance that 9/11 would never have happened under a President Gore. Bush has so much freaking blood on his hands. Every so often I allow myself to daydream about how much better off this country would be, how many people would be alive if SCOTUS hadn't handed Smirk the Presidency. He is without question one of the worst disasters to befall this country. :cry:
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 12:08 AM
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61. Even if all the disasters happened...
...there would have at least been an intelligent response to them.

Obviously we wouldn't have gone into Iraq. Very likely we would still be in Afghanistan, but hopefully it would have happened with more troops and a plan to rebuild the country and get rid of Al Qaeda.

It's all Monday morning quarterbacking. We'll never know because Bush's henchmen stole the goddamned election. Thanks for everything, you bastards.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 12:29 PM
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85. 9-11 wouldn't have happened
he never would have dismantled the terrorism task force Clinton had set up.

We wouldn't be in Iraq, and its not likely we would have needed troops in Afghanistan, either. He would have been able to pursue fighting Bin Laden with our Allies - not needing a full scale ground invasion.

The economy would be in good shape.

NO wouldn't have been hurt as badly - he and Clinton were big advocates of funding improvements in our infrastructure.

And FEMA would be better able to respond.

It would be a very different world indeed.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 06:56 PM
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As much as I love both Al Gore and Bill Clinton, your comment made
my mind go to the gutter for a second. I won't say anything about who had his front. I'm sorry. I just thought the fact that the repukes impeached him for a BJ was beyond silly.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 10:54 AM
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103. I believe the real reason for the witchhunt against Clinton
was a back door strategy to keep Al from coming to power.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 04:27 PM
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107. You are probably right. They knew he liked women before he ever
took office. And they knew Al Gore could dance circles around Bush in the debates, even if he was blindfolded and had one hand tied behind his back.
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INdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 07:04 PM
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13. Run the same type of poll question
Only ask what is your opinion of John Kerry ?
there again..No 9/11 or if there was OSB would have been captured and no Iraq war which of course would mean no Innocent lives lost either
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Spangle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 11:13 PM
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57. No he didn't!
btw, I voted "God I love him."

But he did not have his back. He blamed Clinton for not keeping his zipper zipped. This is before the blue dress. Gore has "high morals" and played the straight and narrow his whole life. Because of this, he couldn't see past that.. to see what the media & the Republicans were doing to Bill was wrong.

The lies, the false hoods, the nit picking, etc.

When the 2000 election was happing and the media & the republicans were doing the same thing to him.... He might FINALY got a feel of what it was like in Clinton's shoes.

But even tho he wasn't happy with Clinton, he still made one of the best V. President. He was one of the first to actuly do more then Photo Ops. Clinton actualy let him have "hands on." A real new idea for V.P. Until Cheney. Of course, Cheney HAD to, cause Jr couldn't. LOL!
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 02:35 AM
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66. Gore had a right to be upset
with Clinton's actions. Personally I couldn't give any less of a shit about the BJ Clinton had.

But for those that did defend Clinton, only to later find that he had lied to them, I think there was an understandable feeling of disappointment and some need perhaps to distance himself from Clinton personally.

Granted, I thought then and still think Lieberman is a sanctimonious blowhard, considering he was so quick to condemn a BJ but is pretty damn quiet on what this admin does (and at times actually defends them).

That was definetely Gore's fault and biggest mistake though - deciding to pander to those that likely weren't going to vote for him anyways. Lieberman was a clear example of that.

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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 06:55 PM
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2. Nothing better than god I love him?
That's fine, actually. :) And true, by the way. I can think of no finer, more dedicated public servant.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 06:59 PM
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8. Statesman is thrown around too much with the crap excuses for politicians
that we have for the most part, but Al Gore is a statesman, a true fine public servant. We are lucky he gave us hope in 2000. He was the last hope we had, sadly.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 06:56 PM
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4. No, I really, really, really love him. Alot.
It took me a long time to recover from 2000. I would quit my job and work for his campaign should he decide to run in 2008. I think he deserves to take the office he rightfully won, and I think he would do a brilliant job.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 06:57 PM
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5. We agree. He's a great president even though Bush and his cronies
beat him up figuratively and went to live in the WH instead.
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 07:03 PM
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11. I feel the same way ...
I need help taking a critical look at him because I do feel so passionately about him.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 07:04 PM
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12. My Article on Bartcop After the Election 2000

http://www.bartcop.com/0908.htm

Scroll down to "Political Assassination: JFK To Al Gore"
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 07:12 PM
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15. Oh, that was excellent! n/t
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 07:15 PM
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16. thanks.
I REALLY hope he runs again.
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 07:17 PM
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18. An Al Gore and John Edwards ticket ...
...would be Nirvana to me.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 07:21 PM
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20. I could see that ...
or Gore/Clark or even Gore/Dean.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 10:42 PM
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47. Even though Dean would be great
Edited on Mon Sep-12-05 10:43 PM by FreedomAngel82
he said he wouldn't run in 2008 if he got the DNC chair. :( I would really like Gore with Edwards or Feingold.
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 10:01 PM
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39. Me. too!!
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 10:44 PM
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48. The Daily Howler has some good stuff from 2000 as well
that totally debunks and explains the character assassination that happened back then. They opened my eyes.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 10:49 PM
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49. I'm listening to Malloy now and the guys hosting for him
talked briefly about Gore. And one guy said how he saw Gore at a global warming speech and he was really surprised at how passionate Gore is, how funny and how nice a guy he is in person. The guy also said how Gore is different and more free now then in 2000. Gore is definitley different then 2000 and I think he has changed a lot with his public speaking and has more experience with that and it really shows. I think if Gore ran in 2008 he would really be a different person that we all knew in 2000. While Gore has more then likely always stayed the same personality wise I'm sure he's learned a lot about how to really show that to the public. I just love Gore and he's such a brilliant guy and I just hope he does run.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 10:58 PM
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51. It has been said of both Gore and Kerry
that close friends wish they could show the person THEY see to the world. They also wish that presidential elections didn't include campaigning, as neither is that adept at showing themselves when they campaign.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 11:07 PM
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55. Yes
In the 2000 election convention there was a video of Gore and a "behind the scenes" sort of thing where this guy was following Gore around and interviewing him and his family and one of the question's that was asked about him running for president and he asked what he didn't like about it and Gore said campaigning. For those who take the time to get to know both Gore and Kerry they would know what great people they are.
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drummo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 08:27 AM
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73. I haven't heard about this.
Who was that guy?
What else was asked from him?
Where did you see that video?
Is it online somewhere?
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 06:21 AM
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96. The heck with all that personality crap. Gore had the very best..
Edited on Wed Sep-14-05 06:24 AM by Kahuna
resume and experience for the job. Still today, he is the most experienced. He is an expert on government. The stupid people in 2000 let themselves be talked into, "Gore is stiff. Gore isn't likable. Dubya is like us," by the whore media. It's the saddest moment in our history how we let the media control the outcome of that election with their bias, obfuscations and LIES!!

For the record. His "personality" was fine in 2000. It just took a more than shallow assessment for people to see the sincerity and strength of Gore, vs. the glibness and bullshit of bush and nader. What the hell does "personality" have to do with choosing a president? :grr:
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 07:26 PM
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21. Thanks
:kick:
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 06:59 PM
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6. "God, I love him"
I do and have for some time. I will be curious to what those that have less favorable impressions of him have to say ...
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 06:59 PM
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7. I've had a picture of him on my desk at work for years
5 years, to be exact.
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unfrigginreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 07:00 PM
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9. I wonder if it's still the Naderites that don't like him
That would figure, about 9% to spoil the pot.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 09:07 PM
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34. STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP
Please stop this right-wing inspired bullshit line.

Gore was robbed by the repukes dirty tricks and the supremes NOT by those of us who voted for Nader in '00.

Look, if you want to blame someone, blame Monica!

Monica G. Moorehead of the Workers World Party that is!

She got 1,815 votes that would have put Gore over the top even in the James Baker/John Bolton/John Roberts shortened vote count. That makes just as much sense as blaming Ralph Nader.


PS: Gore really won:

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/feb2001/flor-f05.shtml
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 07:09 PM
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14. Sigh
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 07:16 PM
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17. In a pinch (and god are we in one!) he'd do. n/t
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 07:20 PM
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19. A straight ass that's cool, Smart, innovative and a hard worker, Hmmmmm
Guess thats why the Fascist assholes that helped Diebold, Halliburton and Poppies Good Old Boy network, and all the other misinformed, deserve the " Narcissistic Fibrosis " that was a better choice than Al.
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unfrigginreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 07:30 PM
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22. God wouldn't it be nice to hear from the 'not favorable' crowd
You notice that none of them have the courage to show themselves. I just wonder how many well read DU'ers are in that bunch.
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Liberaler Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 07:31 PM
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23. He is no better suited for the job than
Bush is. Just because he happens to be a Dem doesn't make him a new Jesus. Get him down from the pedestal. What I saw from him in 2000and later has not exactly made me go fafa over him. Probably the worst candidate the Dems have at the moment. please, please don't nominate him for 2008. he is awkward the same way Bush is and he is NOT a statesman. He would, I'm sorry to say, continue to chaos ledt behind by Bush.

What this country need is a strong charsimatic candidate who shines through as a leader, Gore is no leader, in fact he could not lead a squad of scouts. He is, IMHO, a Democratic Bush.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 07:33 PM
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unfrigginreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 07:37 PM
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25. Jesus Christ you say that with Kerry as a candidate
give me a fucking break.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 05:39 PM
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109. Kerry was an excellent candidate
backed by a mediocre party with the deck stacked against him. How many minutes of his rallies did you see?

I don't think the earlier comment was fair to Gore because there were many worse candidates - including McGovern (and I STILL have my button), Dukakis, Mondale, even Humphrey. I did see both (Kerry only this last weekend - without the fanfare of a Presidential campaign or the intoxicating spirit of a possible win that showed even on CSPAN) Kerry was far more charismatic and very quick witted. That, however, is judgemental - so I will agree to disagree with you.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 07:44 PM
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26. That's absurd. Gore is actually brilliant. His ONLY awkwardness stemmed
from the occasional and quite common stagefright. That's it.

Bush's awkwardness comes from a LACK OF REAL KNOWLEDGE.

Gore would have read the Hart-Rudman Report on Global Terror the same day it was handed to him.

Bush was given it on Jan 30, 2001 and REFUSED TO READ IT.

Now, please tell us how there is no difference between them.
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 12:07 AM
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60. Another Democrat downed by his handlers
When will we learn?
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 07:57 PM
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27. "Please, please, please don't nominate him"? Hmmmm.
I have a question: will you or will you not be part of that decision? If you will be, why the odd choice of phrasing?

If you won't be part of that decision, I'll be sure not to follow your advice. If Gore gets nominated, he'll likely win. A Clark/Gore ticket is the way to go, IMO.
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 08:33 PM
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30. Clark/Gore or Gore/Clark? Gore/Clark my choice
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 08:35 PM
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31. I don't know...I personally like Gore/Clark but think maybe
Clark/Gore might go over better. But then again, Gore WAS elected the first time, so...

I think they'd make a great, highly electable pair AND do a really great job. =)

I'm dreaming of 2008...:patriot:
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 10:52 AM
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83. If Gore will be himself and not use handlers, he will win.
Gore is actually very personable. Clark less so. I like Clark, think the military experience is a huge plus but Gore is, in my mind, a much greater intellect.
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VADem11 Donating Member (783 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 09:22 PM
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37. I like Gore/Clark
Gore doesn't need to be VP and it's time he became president. Clark would be a great vp.
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 10:06 PM
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42. I could never get past thinking Clark was an opportunist..
when he jumped into the race in 2004. I tried to like him and have heard some stuff from him that impressed me, but my first impression was not...great and I have had a hard time moving forward from that.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 08:35 PM
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 09:08 PM
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35. Who would you suggest?
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 07:59 AM
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71. Gore threads seem to bring out the GOP lurkers
Interesting, those who can't hide their anger at the person who really won the 2000 election, particularly now that Bush is such an obvious failure.
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drummo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 09:51 AM
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77. Bullshit.
Do you always need someone to lead you? What are you, sheep?
Can't you decide on your own what direction to follow?
Why the fuck do you need a politician to tell you your opinion? Why don't you use your own brain?
And what is charisma good for? It's cheap theater for manipulating intellectually weak people like you.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 10:02 AM
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79. Please dont throw that Dem in that there Briar Patch?You a Gore supporter?
Edited on Tue Sep-13-05 10:04 AM by McCamy Taylor
Wow, I am having visions of Dems posing as Freepers posing as Dems. LOLs. Im getting too paranoid,
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 06:58 AM
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97. "Charismatic?" That's the shallow mindset that got us into this
present predicament. The media swoon over how charismatic dubya was compared to the stiff, "Mr. know-it-all Al Gore." :eyes: If after the last five years you still cannot see how shallow and idiotic that line of thinking is, I don't know what more it will take for you to see. Gore was/is an expert on government. God forbid we should have a guy who actually knows how government works. Let's get the "charismatic" guy. And for the record, what's "charismatic" for some people, is hokey and phone to other people. So be careful what you ask for.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 07:59 AM
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100. Adolph Hitler was charismatic.
Somehow, I think that many of the people who HATE the idea Gore might run again are Republicans.

After all, he already won once.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 11:08 AM
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104. After you finish trashing Al
you might take a minute to thank him for empowering you to post your opinion for the masses to see. The corpwhorate owned MSM slandered, demeaned, obfuscated and ignored him, even to this day because he thought you should be empowered with the same information that the rich and powerful have. The corpwhorate MSM committed treason against the people with the enabling of Bush coming to power, I am amazed that only one of them is in jail.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 05:27 PM
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108. This is outrageous
Gore is a decent human being who clearly cares for others, he is intelligent, well read and has taken the time and effort to become knowledgable about many issues. Could even Bush apologists, other than the extreme right, say any of these things about Bus?

His policies would be infinitely better than Bush's

On the basis of his concession speech alone, he is shown to be a statesman.

Although I far prefer another candidate, your comments are beyond nasty and are flamebait.

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Sperk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 08:19 PM
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28. "I'm the number one fan of the man from Tennesseeeeee."
I think I'll write him a letter and beg him to run again......I'm sure that will do it. :-)

"Mr. President, please if you must be a recovering politician, so be it, we need a Hell of a lot more than another politician. We need a HERO! SOSOSOSOSOSOSOSOSOSOSOSOSOSOSOSOSOSOSOSOSOSOSOSOSOSOS! :scared:

Come on, are you really gonna deny Tipper her rightful place as First Lady? :evilgrin:

We need a "super genius" and someone who will go directly to the people and make sure DIABOLICAL DIEBOLD doesn't steal another one.

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease!

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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 08:30 PM
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29. I couldn't answer the poll question.
My feelings about Gore are too complicated.

1) I appreciate his desire to protect the environment.
2) I admire the fact that he thinks about whether he is leaving the world a better place for his children.
3) I hate his wife's support of parental advisory labels on music.
4) I hate that he rejected Clinton in his 2000 election campaign. I think Bill could have made the difference.
5) I hate his ties to the DLC.
6) I like the fact that he fought for us longer after the election of 2000 was stolen than Kerry did in 2004 when that election was stolen.
7) I hate that he gave up when the SCOTUS ruled against him.
8) Of course, I'd rather have him running the country than bush, but I could say the same about a rotten banana peel.

Like I said ... very mixed feelings.

:dilemma:

-Laelth
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 09:10 PM
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36. I agree with all of the above but #8
I think he's definitely a step above a rotten banana peel.

He's a GIANT step better than the chimp...
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 10:57 PM
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50. Gore has ties to the DLC?
Please show me the proof of that. And here's my comments to your other stuff.

1) If nobody else cares about the enviornment who will?

2) We all want that for our future families and present families.

3) If parents are going to buy music for their children they should know what is on it to help guide their children if they are young. It's a parental sticker. My God. I guess you oppose tv raitings and movie ratings too. :eyes: What a lame excuse not to like someone. Give me a break.

4) People should vote for a canidate because they like them. Not because of who campaigns for them. Just the same with any celebrity. You're not voting for Bill Clinton, are you? Another lame excuse.

5) Please show me the ties to the DLC. If he did have ties why did he support Howard Dean and not Joe Liberman?

6) Uh what??? That's just nonsense.

7) Uh wait a minute. You just flipped flopped. One minute you say you didn't like him battling so long and then you say you don't like he didn't fight the SCOTUS? MAKE UP YOUR FUCKING MIND!

8) Bush and Gore are two different people all together. Comparing Gore to Bush is an insult.
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Spangle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 11:04 PM
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54. Agree and Disagree....
Glad we are Democrats and it's ok to disagree. Not have to toe a party line.

3) His wife's support of the parental advisory labels on music is right up there in line with the Democratic agenda. It's about CHOICE. The radical right would rather out law certain forms of music. Labels are a compromise. The radical right can no longer complain about it. ;)

4) I agree. Also hate that he didn't really have his back during the Clinton Presidentcy. He didn't bitch slap him or anything. But he wasn't a happy camper. Because of it, I believe Gore actualy got what was coming to him from the MEDIA and republicans. He was put in Clinton's shoes for awhile. Painful!

8) He would have been much, much better. I'm not saying 9/11 wouldn't happen. But he wouldn't have trashed the terroist report. He would have made it a priority. Gore's whole Presidentcy would have had a much different focus. He would have been "hands on", not just a photo op President.

Also, he wouldn't have ended FEMA. Something that as we see this week.. Is still rather important to have around. I'm sure many of us miss it. Even as short lived as it was.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 11:13 PM
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58. Exactly on number three
Edited on Mon Sep-12-05 11:14 PM by FreedomAngel82
It shows parents what music their kids are listening to. While I was a young person and not an adult I went by my parents rules. If they said no MTV and no music with a parental sticker that would be it since my parents were paying for everything. It lets parents know what their childern are listening to especially with young pre-teens.

4) I don't know much about that since I was growing up in the Clinton administration (thank God). You still shouldn't vote for someone just because a former president or a cleberity campaigns for you. You're voting for the person running and that is the person who will be making the decisions and running the country. Not those campaigning. Doy.

8) We know that 9/11 wouldn't have happened with Gore. Gore and Clinton have been working on BinLaden and Al-Quida since they were in office. Gore wouldn't have ignored that memo. He would've put more security on the ports and the airports and not ignored anything. If you think 9/11 would've happened under Gore you haven't done enough research of 9/11.

With Gore and FEMA he would've put someone in there who has experience. Possibly the person Clinton had. I may not like the guy but Scarborough was on Maher this past week and he was talking about how when Clinton was president he (Scarborough) went around a couple of times with the guy Clinton put in for FEMA and Scarborough was saying how the guy with Clinton was a great person in FEMA and put someone who knew what they were doing. Bush cares more about loyality and saving his own ass instead of putting someone in that position who knows the job and cares about what the job is and what needs to be done.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 07:11 AM
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69. Hehe
Edited on Tue Sep-13-05 07:12 AM by Laelth
I'm glad to see that Mr. Gore has strong supporters. Here, among friends, I am willing to share my misgivings about him. My intent was not to hit a sensitive nerve.

I note that he has severed his ties to the DLC. That's a good sign. I admit to being unaware that he had done so.

No doubt, Gore would have been a much better President than shrub. As I said, I'd prefer a rotten banana peel to shrub, and Gore is much better than a rotten banana peel.

It's really too early to commit to a favorite to run in 2008. I am wary, however, of nominating William Jennings Bryan again, and while I honestly believe that Gore won the election in 2000, I am afraid that the history books will say he didn't.

:toast:

-Laelth


Edit:Laelth--clarity/word choice.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 09:59 AM
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78. when there is a party line ...
... i'll tow it, however grudgingly. i was under the impression that there was no party line on this question at the moment.

:dem:

-Laelth
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 11:28 AM
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105. I thought he did have Clinton's back when it counted.
Edited on Wed Sep-14-05 11:34 AM by Uncle Joe
Prior to and up through the impeachment proceedings Al stood with Bill. I think Al was disappointed in Bill's conduct but he felt it was not grounds for impeachment especially after the witch hunt that had taken place since Clinton/Gore came to power. The question I have is why did Clinton not have Al's back? When Clinton first selected Al as his running mate he stated that Al, in his opinion was the best qualified person to be President, and yet he put all of that at risk with his affair in the oval office.

P.S. Clinton did not have Al's back when he took what seemed like 15 minutes to walk down a hall way during the 2000 convention that would nominate Al for the presidency.
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drummo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 11:13 PM
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113. I'm glad someone noticed that surreal episode.
What the hell was Clinton doing?
It was his "Mission Accomplished" moment. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry while watching it. It was ridiculous self-aggrandizement without a spoken word.

Can anyone mention a single occasion when Gore was using visual manipulation like that to make himself look bigger than he actually was?

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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 12:12 AM
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62. You have to understand that Gore's "DLC ties" were WAY over when
Edited on Tue Sep-13-05 12:12 AM by BullGooseLoony
he endorsed Dean in the 2004 race.

WAY, WAY gone.

He's already broken away from them, ideologically, to make the endorsement. Well before.
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Z_I_Peevey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 08:54 PM
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33. I respect him
and I'd be a willing foot soldier in any effort he makes to save this country.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 09:55 PM
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38. The DLC CEO Al From hates Gore
That makes Gore OK to me.

Gore also chartered a jet to New Orleans and flew 200 evacuees to Tennessee. He did it without fanfare, and he did it a week before Kerry thought about doing the same.

Gore in 2008!

PS: His speech to The Sierra Club rocks!
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 10:24 PM
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44. Nice of you to throw in a cheap shot at Kerry, there.
Oh, except, it wasn't nice. It was cheap.

Wow, I guess if Gore did it "first," that makes the contributions of people like Kerry somehow less valid. C-H-E-A-P.

I like Gore and I think what he's done for this country since being elected its President is wonderful. That comment is beneath the kind of selfless support he gives our citizens, and other Gore supporters.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 08:43 AM
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74. Gore acted on pure instinct, Kerry acted out of a calculation
Edited on Tue Sep-13-05 08:43 AM by IndianaGreen
like al things Kerry.

I'll take someone like Gore that is not phony!
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 05:52 PM
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112. Kerry is most definately not a phony
If you look at his career there are many potentially career ending things he did because they were the right thing to do. Who else would have gone against his entire party to continue fighting to eliminate a terrorist infiltrated bank that had essentially bought off high officals and moneymen in both parties?

Look at his list of things that needed to be investigated written when his committee was ended. The first thing was whether Khan, who had used BCCI money to finance Pakistan's nucleur bomb, was selling technologies or materials. Neither the Bush or Clinton administrations followed up on this.
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drummo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 11:41 PM
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114. I agree. Kerry is not a phoney.
He is just not a particularly original mind and he
doesn't have the wide-ranging resume as Gore has.
Nor is he an out-of-the-box-ahead-of-the-curve thinker like Gore.

And most of all, WHY DID HE VOTE FOR THAT DAMN WAR when Gore said to him and his fellow Hill Dems DON'T DO IT???
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 05:44 PM
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111. Also, Kerry's first unpublicized effort to help
was in the same time frame as Gore's, in spite of Kerry being in Iraq. Then the PR obsessed Kerry told no one - it is known because Senator Lott thanked Kerry in a Senate speech and on TV.

Both did what they could using what they could.
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funflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 10:03 PM
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40. President Gore is a fine man. If only he was in the White House.
:patriot:
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 10:03 PM
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41. Yup. I was right.
Told yall.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 10:21 PM
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43. There's an old Chinese curse: "May you live in interesting times."
God, I wish I was bored right now.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 10:40 PM
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45. I just love him!
:loveya:
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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 11:12 PM
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56. For a glimpse at how farsighted this man is...
just read "Earth in the Balance". It's amazing how each year, that book sounds more and more relevant. It's hard to overestimate how much we lost when we lost Gore as president.
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 12:03 AM
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59. favorable - because he has been talking about environmental
realities for some time
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baron j Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 12:39 AM
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63. Favorable, though his wife's involvement with the PMRC is
irritating.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 02:58 AM
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93. After the nightmare this country's been in for the last 5 years....
...I think I can live with "Parental Advisory" stickers on CD's.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 12:44 AM
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64. I only marked favorable--but I think he might be the strongest candidate
in 2008. In principle, I try to avoid loving politicians. With few exceptions, its a bit like thinking of a salesman as your best friend or falling in love with a poster-girl or poster-boy.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 01:05 AM
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65. I like him a lot!
I KNOW Gore was elected, whereas I strongly suspect Kerry was elected. Gore didn't run the best campaign, but I thought he hit his stride with his populist tone. So Gore did his part better. I like him more than Kerry personally (though I also like Kerry,) and I think he deserves another chance a lot more than Kerry does.
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ladylibertee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 05:17 AM
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67. Politics aside...does'nt he look like a cross between Edwards...
and Roberts?
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 07:09 AM
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68. I voted "God, I love Him" Gore is a better person than Clinton
I always respected Gore for his competence in government work and his moral authority. I read his book "Earth in the Balance" and yes, Gore is a prophet for these Times. He's also a pro-feminist man and unlike the Repukes, he sees feminism improving his masculinity by making him a more moral being. His chapter called "Dysfunctional Civilization" should be a label for the Bush II era.

Clinton is a camera hog and more concerned about his legacy now than doing what is right for America. I abhor Clinton for whoring with the Bush Crime Family.

Gore's speeches since 2000 have been fantastic and it shows that he cares about this country and not about himself.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 07:26 AM
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70. I was dissapointed..
.... in Gore over the 2000 debates. He was trying to be something he is not (when what he is is just fine) and it didn't work.

In the subsequent years, Al Gore has proven time and time again that he would make a stellar president.
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drummo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 09:47 AM
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75. " He was trying to be something he is not"
Such as what?

Please be precise.

But remember Gore cannot be other than himself. Nobody can be other then himself. It's a matter of physical law.
What you see is what you get. Always.
Or have you ever seen a person who was not real?
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 10:31 AM
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82. Did you see that freaking debate..
.... where Gore was pounding the podium and getting in Bush's face?

IMHO, that cost him the election. He was being FALSE, probably on the advice of his idiot handlers, and it looked forced, it looked like bad acting and it did not play well.

Did you *see* that debate?

This is merely my opinion. That debate was the ONLY public appearance by Al Gore that I did not see as positive.
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drummo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 11:25 PM
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88. Yes I did. And what you say is FALSE. Gore was not.
Edited on Tue Sep-13-05 11:26 PM by drummo
He was not "pounding the podium and getting in Bush's face".

That's an over the top exaggeration.
He was irritated by Bush's drivel and lies -- so was I and that's OK
and natural.
I had no problem with the debates because I knew I was not watching a Broadway performance but a presidental debate. I was paying attention to substance. And on that Gore beat the hell out of Bush.
I think you have become the victim of the post-Nixon-Kennedy TV dominated, superficial political culture.
The president is not a TV personality and behavior is irrelevant. Only governance matters.
As far as I'm concerned Bush could smirk all day and all night long if he actually knew how to govern in a reasonable way I would support him.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 07:45 AM
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98. Well....
.... it just goes to show that two people can see the same thing and see it differently.

I guess that's why 40% of Americans can watch Bush** and believe he is a sincere man with their interests at heart.

FYI - I'm not the only one who thought Gore was being stupid in that debate. He was responding to the ridiculous charges of being "stiff" and "aloof" - and it was a mistake on his part. And I have friends who basically threw in the towel on him at that point, although given the fact that I *really* admire Gore, that little mistake didn't change my overall opinion of him - I stand by my characterization - that was NOT AL GORE acting like that and it was blatantly obvious that he was putting on a show.

And Americans hate nothing more than a phoney. Sure, Bush** is a phoney, but lots of folks just haven't figured that out yet. When they do, if they do, look out below :)
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 11:40 AM
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106. The corpwhorate owned MSM turned a 180 overnight
over ruling their own focus groups as to who won the debates. Jeff Greenfield is a prime example, but there were many others.
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drummo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 01:33 AM
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116. Re:Well...
it was blatantly obvious that he was putting on a show.

Exactly at which point did that happen?
Here's the transcript:
http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2000a.html

Do you doubt that he was really angered by what Bush said?
If I am angry I behave as an angry man. I don't know why you think Gore does it differently.
Bush said so many irritating things in that deabte I wondered when Gore would just go and knock him out. Literally.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 08:06 AM
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72. he's my president
he would have been re-elected in a landslide, so he is still my president.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 09:50 AM
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76. He is so BEEEEUUUUUUTIFUL! Be still my heart!
Edited on Tue Sep-13-05 09:54 AM by McCamy Taylor
His soul is beautiful too. He is like Jimmy Carter, much too pure to be president. He needs to keep on being a private citizen philanthropist.

:loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:


John Edwards, another major cutie, is just right for president. He has that trial lawyer toughness that will keep him from being disillusioned or defeated by the nasty Right Wing Conspiracy.
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rabid_nerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 10:21 AM
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80. Gore on the Envronment
Edited on Tue Sep-13-05 10:35 AM by rabid_nerd



Gore Warns of 'Climate Emergency' While Promoting Disaster Film
By Marc Morano
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
May 12, 2004
(CNSNews.com) - Former Vice President Al Gore warned of a "climate emergency" on Tuesday as he joined forces with political activists from MoveOn.org to promote a Hollywood disaster film that shows global warming creating an ice age and causing massive destruction.

The Day After Tomorrow , a 20th Century Fox production set for release on Memorial Day, stars Jake Gyllenhaal and Dennis Quaid. The $125-million movie will offer "a rare opportunity to have a national conversation about what truly should be seen as a global climate emergency," Gore told reporters.
http://www.cnsnews.com/Nation/Archive/200405/NAT20040512a.html

GORE ON FAMILY

http://www.familyreunion.org/







And on PMRC? If anything, the threat of legislation (which brought around voluntary labels - which then happened to video games) EXPANDS the availability of each label's content.

Banned from WalMart? Uncensored and uncut? Those are now marketing buzzwords. Get over yourself if parents keep their kids from things marked "Explicit Lyrics" or "MA" or "NC-17", or tighter controls are put on the sale of them to minors. As long as you can get your hands on them and you're old enough, what do you care?
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 10:25 AM
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81. Hmmm... where's the "Damn Sexy" option?
I've had a political crush on Gore since I was 16 - and I'm 35 now.

I remember my first interview with him as a student reporter. My knees were weak, my heart was pounding, but he was the sweetest, kindest, funniest person.

:loveya: Gore!
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drummo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 01:42 PM
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86. Would you tell us more about that interview?
Ya know, when where why what.
Thanks.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 12:24 PM
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84. So right for the job, there's no one better
I've worked on a lot of campaigns and that loss hurt me more than any, the sense of despair and a huge opportunity missed.

I have the distinct feeling he could walk in the door on Inauguration Day and have the country back on track in 6 months - 1 year.

How can we draft him? Can Joel Hyatt, his daughter and others take over his current biz venture?

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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 03:09 PM
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87. Gore has been doing a great job recently
I admire his help for NOLA residents in the wake of Katrina. I wish I could say the same about our current "Commander and Chief."
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 11:39 PM
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89. my only reservation about Gore was DLC
But reading these posts I see some say he has cut his ties. And it makes sense because he endorsed Dean in the primaries.
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drummo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 11:44 PM
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115. The Dean endorsment was about Iraq not the DLC.
But anyway, the DLC Gore co-founded in the early 90s morphed into a gutless stupid group and Gore got fed up with them.
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 11:41 PM
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90. Saw him at a Dead show in DC back in `92
First time they'd played Casey Jones in 8 years. It was rockin!

Listen to the full show from 06/20/1992 - http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=13208

:)
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moviewhore Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 12:34 AM
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91. Please don't let Tipper near the MP3s though
I like my music just the way it is.
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divineorder Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 02:15 AM
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92. Tipper no longer is into music labels.
Her cause is now mental health. When Second Lady, she used to go out and talk to the mental patients around Lafayette Park.
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 06:12 AM
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94. Now do a poll on Hillary. Repug want us to run Hillary in the
worst way. I assume they know they can beat her. How do dems actually feel about her? I think this site is a collection of many types of dem voters so maybe it's time for another "who would you choose" poll.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 06:16 AM
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95. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII will always love Al woo oo IIIIIIIIIIIII
will always love Al! (to the tune of I will always love You) :loveya: :loveya:
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 07:50 AM
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99. Love AL, but I think Tipper is a closet Conservative.
HATE TIPPER.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 07:59 AM
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101. I have really come to like him since 2000 in terms of the speeches he
delivers. I wish we had seen that Al Gore during his campaign.

However, I am firmly in the camp that the election was stolen (twice) and that he could have given every potential voter a new car and still not won.

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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 09:15 AM
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102. My view of Al Gore
Is that scene in "Farenheidt 911" where he is banging down the gavel on the Black Congressional Caucus's fight in Florida. Can't shake it. Barbara Boxer has said she voted the way she did that day, because Al Gore especially asked her to, and that she's regretted it ever since. I hope Al Gore regrets it.
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drummo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 01:48 AM
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117. What?
Barbara Boxer wanted to support the petition and she changed her mind just because Gore asked her to? Come on. Any evidence for that story?
Why Barbara Boxer?

And the CBC fight did not take place in Florida but in the Congress. Which also meant that if no Senator supported the petition than Gore, the President of the Senate, had to "bang down the gavel".
That was the rule. And Gore had to play by the rules. Like it or not.

But let's say that what you heard about Boxer is true.
She supports the petition and then what? Gore becomes president? No way. Why? Because the House was in Rep hands and if the EC vote is disputed the House decides who would become president. And they would have voted for Bush.

So what's your problem with Gore?
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Racenut20 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 05:40 PM
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110. He sucks
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 01:54 AM
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118. But he doesn't swallow
??

Care to elaborate dude?
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