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gcole Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 06:56 PM
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A guy beats his wife
every day for 4 1/2 years. Then one day he brings her flowers and says he takes responsibility for beating her. Is he still a wife beater or is he now Prince Charming?

We'll see what the polls say.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 06:57 PM
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1. He's choking on his flowers, that's what. nt
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 07:01 PM
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6. Good god, he choked on his words. He almost couldn't make...
Edited on Tue Sep-13-05 07:03 PM by Fridays Child
...himself say the words.

ETA: How much booze will he have to drink to say it, again, tomorrow night?
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 09:05 PM
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22. "Doesn't work for me, I gotta have more cowbell!"
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 10:25 PM
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25. That is one of my favorite SNL skits!! n/t
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 06:58 PM
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2. Any man
who beat me for four and a half years better not sleep in my presence or eat any food I prepare for him.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 06:58 PM
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3. Welcome to DU.
Good question!

I know what I'd say ...

IMPEACH THE BASTARD!!!!!
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 07:00 PM
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4. He's still a wife beater. Just
like a "reformed" alcoholic is still an alcoholic.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 07:01 PM
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5. Did he beat her the day before?
Is she still sore from what he did? Does she still have the bruises?

Does she think she deserves to be beat?

The problem I have with the analogy is that the person being abused is usually in denial and suffering her own mental issues such as thinking she deserves it or that he had a 'bad day' or is using other ways to justify what he does to her.

I don't think the United States is the wife being abused by her husband.
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gcole Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 07:05 PM
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8. I'd say if the polls go up
the analogy is sadly pretty accurate for the reasons you stated.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 07:06 PM
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9. Are you kidding?
If you don't call the last 4 1/2 years of this country making excuses for * 'denial', I don't know what you'd call it. This country re-elected him, or at least offered close enough a margin to make the election theft believable. Sounds like denial to me.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 07:11 PM
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13. I don't buy the analogy
Edited on Tue Sep-13-05 07:13 PM by cynatnite
I think it's a poor one. A woman who has been beaten by her husband for 4 1/2 doesn't thank him and she doesn't still consider him the end all and be all after every hit to the face or kick in the gut.

The woman still makes her own choice to remain with the abuser.

The American people did NOT make that choice in 2000. And the way I see 2004, they didn't make it then either.
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jedr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 07:07 PM
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10. Aussie Newspaper yesterday;
Edited on Tue Sep-13-05 07:10 PM by jedr
Open letter to the U.S. with a metaphor of Bush as a wife beater and the U.S. as the victom....sorry I don't have the link.was read on Lynn Cullen show today ( local Pittsburgh liberal talk... Wptt 1360 AM "the point"), maybe someone can help me with that.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 08:09 PM
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21. Malloy read this on his show as well sometime last week
It was a very good and emotional letter.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 07:03 PM
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7. Nah - it's not enough 'cuz we divorced him a long time ago, but he
keeps making our lives miserable and his face is always in front of us - just like some real marriages.

Entered into with deception.
Constant abuse.
Assumed forgiveness.
And now, at last, a kind of an apology.

But, in this case, the apology is full of it as someone pointed out in a thread earlier this afternoon.

The key phrase in his speech is 'to the extent'. If anyone thinks that they will investigate themselves and find wrongs - fugedboutit.

He and they are phoney liars, thieves, and deceivers and are out to make us tightly controlled slaves.

It is now obvious that the inattention and uninvolvement was by design. They killed more people. It is as clear as the sky after the hurricane passed.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 07:39 PM
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17. To the extent, indeed...
The emperor of Japan couldn't tailor a better non-apology.
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DIKB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 07:09 PM
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11. What about the wife ?
As far as I'm concerned she should have kicked him to the curb YEARS ago. Still, as I realized this weekend, there are idiot young repukes that SUPPORT him :wow: The "abusive husband" is a very legitimate comparison, but he can only do as much damage as he is allowed. I doubt repukes would stop him short of the complete eradication of life on earth, they're too stubborn, blind, and prideful.
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 07:10 PM
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12. unfortunately for me, this rings all too true
If you've ever been on the receiving end of the wonderful world of DV, you too know that Bu$h is an abusive personality (among other things).

“Okay, I’m sorry. What do you mean, I don’t seem like I’m sorry? I said it, didn’t I? Isn’t that what you wanted? It’s never enough with you! Forget it! That’s the last apology you’ll ever get out of me!”
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 07:21 PM
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16. You said it.
And the scary part, the violence often gets worse after the apology.
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CelticWinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 07:19 PM
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14. Who does this sound like?
Do you know this man-child?

Captain Hook: "Have you another name?"
PeterPan: "Ay, ay."
Hook (thirstily): "Vegetable?"
Peter: "No"
Hook: "Mineral?"
Peter: "No"
Hook: "Animal?"
Peter (after consultation with a friend): "Yes"
Hook: "Man?"
Peter (with scorn): "No"
Hook: "Boy?"
Peter: "Yes"
Hook: "Ordinary boy?"
Peter: "No!"
Hook: "Wonderful boy?"
Peter (to Wendy's distress): "Yes!"

Taken from The PeterPan Syndrome--Men who have never grown up

I thought it was kind of fitting.
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newswolf56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 07:19 PM
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15. Suspect Bush will soar in the polls. White America...
will do anything to maintain its denial that 80 percent of its people are racist pigs -- the "no racism in New Orleans" KKKhorus. By granting Bush pollster absolution, whites confirm their wanna-belief that what happened was the accidental ineptitude of one man (or of government in general), but had nothing to do with deliberately malicious policy -- policy that expresses both racism and the overall class-warfare strategy: not just Bush but everything he represents.

I hope I'm wrong -- that there will be some evidence of a Great American Awakening (in which case Bush's numbers will stay low). But I don't think so; I think Bush's approval rating may rise as much as 10 percent -- maybe even more.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 07:52 PM
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18. Hey, John Roberts would give him a metal of honor.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 07:58 PM
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19. "Assuming responsibility" is a play to the base.
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Or the one in front of it--he's playing to his fans backstage...
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 08:09 PM
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20. If that happened
I'd tell him to stuff the flowers up his butt.
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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 09:09 PM
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23. Great Analogy!
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MojoXN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 09:15 PM
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24. That might be the goddamn stupidest question I've ever heard...
Of COURSE he's Prince Charming, or a reasonable facsimile thereof.

:sarcasm:

MojoXN
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LiviaOlivia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 01:42 AM
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26. kick
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