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RONSTOO Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 10:42 PM
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Holy shit Batman...is this true?
I read this from Americablog....is this true ????

Does anyone refute it?


http://www.haloscan.com/comments/katsiva/112662776565788147/?a=21839




Creepiness Factors Surrounding the Bush Clan or Tricky Dick Was Bush-League Compared to Chimpy

I am sure it will offend some, just one interpretation of history. Lets just look at the “creepiness factors” here.

The Bush family fortune did not come from oil -- it came from financing the Nazis in WW I. There was an investigation (official record) and I believe some assets were frozen and even seized.

In fact, some say the Prescotts and other powerful elites were actually behind Hitler's rise to power in Germany. Think about this – it is a fact that the propaganda techniques had their roots in America. Was Hitler an evil genius or a stupid puppet -- anyone else see some scary possibilities here.

George’s grandfather, Prescott is responsible for bringing Richard Nixon into politics, set him up, and provided direction and support.

George I was involved with the CIA many years before being its director under Gerald Ford. He was involved with the Bay of Pigs. Some believe he has connections, direct or indirect, with JFK assassination. If you do not accept the Warren Commission, and most Americans don’t, then the murder of an elected president was nothing less than a coup d’etat. It is a verified fact, that the rest of the world accepts though it was never given the press it deserved, that chimpy did not win in 2000 – another coup d’tat?




is this this just a bunch of bull or does anyone know better?

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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 10:45 PM
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1. nazis did not exist in WW I - better correct that :-) nt
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freeplessinseattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 10:46 PM
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2. It's true, but I believe was during WWII n/t
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 10:46 PM
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3. Old!
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 10:46 PM
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4. Also add the attempted Reagan assassination
http://www.voxfux.com/articles(closed)/00000013.htm

I found the actual 1981 AP article and I posted it here a few weeks ago.
With search down--this is the best I can do.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 11:01 PM
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17. They got their dates wrong
With Prescott it was WWII. Here's some more: http://www.tarpley.net/bush2.htm

It's very well known that the Reagan's and Bush's didn't like each other but the GOP officials wanted Poppy.
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 10:47 PM
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Old news really. And it was actually WW1.
You could pick up shell casings on either side and if it was still legible it might say Samuel P. Bush at your service.
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 10:53 PM
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13. NO-Prescott Bush and WW2...check your facts...N/T
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Lifelong Protester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 10:47 PM
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5. More than likely all true
and as I have said so many times here I am going to patent the phrase, Bush will out- Nixon Nixon.

I am part way through Kitty Kelly's book "The Family" and from what I have read they are like the mafia. Most people had to talk to her anonymously.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 11:02 PM
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20. I think they are worst then the mafia
At least with the mafia they have some type of respect and things like that. The Bush gang only lies, cheats and steals. I haven't read her book yet. I'll have to try to find it.
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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 11:20 PM
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27. WAY worse nt
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 10:47 PM
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6. That's not from John Aravosis and Americablog —
here's the link for that site:

http://americablog.blogspot.com/

What you have there is some posting on a discussion site (it looks like). Some small bits of truth, but mostly conjecture and lots of hyperbole.
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RONSTOO Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 10:57 PM
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15. I know thnere's hyperbole
thats why Imasking how much is truth or is everything pure conjecture?



sorry for the bad link.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 11:07 PM
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23. Prescott Bush did business with the Nazis (as the poster below points
out), but also did business with our side as well. Whether the Bushes were "behind Hitler's rise to power" is conjecture. Their money does come largely from oil, though.

I don't know the bit about Nixon, but the Bush-Kennedy assassination stuff is pure conjecture. BTW, Joe Kennedy did some stuff that would give Prescott Bush a run for his money in terms of creepiness.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 10:48 PM
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7. This is has been widely discussed here. There may even be a forum on it.
NGU.


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RONSTOO Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 10:58 PM
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16. excuse me Im new here
doh!
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 10:48 PM
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8. I think war in this country is a racket, I think they are key players.
Could this be all true, scary version yep.

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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 10:48 PM
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9. You have some interesting angles, but most are close to accurate
Prescott Bush financed the Nazi war machine through the Union Bank and Trust, which was shut down by the Fed under the Trading With The Enemies Act. For reasons I don't know, Bush and the other directors of the bank were each allowed to keep approximately $1.5 million of their ill-gotten gains. Prescott gave his share to George Herbert Walker Bush who used it to finance his run for the Connecticut legislature.

I never heard of any connection between Prescott Bush and Nixon. But that doesn't mean there wasn't one.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 10:53 PM
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12. they were allowed to keep it because they had politicians in their pockets
Edited on Tue Sep-13-05 10:53 PM by LSK
Money talked in Washington in the 40s just like it does today. Read about the 1944 Democratic Convention in Chicago. Learn how Wallace should have been the VP and eventually the President after Roosevelt died. But the powers that be were worried that Wallace would expose them and felt Truman was someone who they could control more easily and henceforth the switch of him to VP in 1944.

It was said that Wallace wanted to befriend the Soviet Union. Imagine the world if the cold war was never fought.
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 10:55 PM
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14. Here you go


Senator Prescott Bush, representing Connecticut, known then as the Hat State, adjusts a straw Panama he gave to Vice President Richard Nixon on May 6, 1953, after a weekly lunch of freshman Republicans in the U.S. Senate. Bush, who favored jaunty brown-and-white spectator shoes and plaid double-breasted blazers, was known as one of the best-dressed men in the Senate. - http://www.randomhouse.com/doubleday/thefamily/photo.php?i=8
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RONSTOO Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 11:01 PM
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18. he looks like a snake oil salesman
devious looking
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 11:18 PM
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26. Yeah, if the snake oil were laced with poison
They don't call it the BFEE for nothing...
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 12:38 AM
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29. Bush's main money came from the Walkers.
Edited on Wed Sep-14-05 12:49 AM by Zen Democrat
Prescott married Dorothy Walker, daughter of George Herbert Walker. Walker headed up Union Bank and started doing business with the German Nazis in 1924. Walker put son-in-law Prescott in at Brown Brothers Harriman -- and through these connections made money from selling to the Nazi Machine into the 40's when they were shut down for violating the "Trading With The Enemy Act."

Prescott financed his own bid for the Senate in Connecticut and lost badly on his first run -- but was swept into office with the Eisenhower tide of '52.

The Bush money sources have always been nebulous. GHWB was in the "oil bidness" but was never a insider and had some offshore companies that provided cover for his CIA activities in Central and South America in the 50's and early 60's. He entered politics in 1964 with an unsuccessful run for the Senate from Texas. He settled for a congressional seat, but gave it up in '70 for an another unsuccessful bid for the Senate. Should have gone back to the oil business, but Richard Nixon saved him from oblivion. It probably helped that Prescott Bush had been behind Nixon rise to power.

Isn't it strange that our "free press" hasn't reported the fact that our "with us or against us" president had a grandfather convicted of trading with the enemy in 1942.

And this stuff isn't legend or tin foil -- it's in the National Archives.

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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 10:51 PM
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10. True
The B*** family has had many sticky fingers in many messy pies. Don't forget that papa was in Dallas on the day of though he can't account for his where-a-bouts. And while we're talking nazis, I believe KKK Rove's grandfather, one Herr Roverer, had connections to the people who made the zyclon B gas.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 10:52 PM
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11. True, all true
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dhinojosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 11:02 PM
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19. Oh man it gets weirder than even that.....
Edited on Tue Sep-13-05 11:02 PM by dhinojosa
It could be argued that Prescott Bush's motivations with regard to the Nazis were strictly financial and not philosophical in nature. There have been accusations that Prescott Bush was a eugenicist, dating back to a political attack leveled against him during his sons' 1980 campaign. Bush was an acquaintance of Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood and herself an avowed eugenicist. Margaret Sanger is on record favoring infanticide, compulsory sterilization, and (arguably) genocide <2>. These accusations have been denounced by the Bush family, who indicate that Prescott Bush's aquaintance with Sanger were a result of his pro-choice beliefs. In fact, Prescott Bush served as Treasurer for Planned Parenthood's first national fund raising campaign in 1947.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 11:05 PM
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22. I didn't know that
Isn't it true that Poppy Bush was originally pro-choice as well? I saw the documentary "Spin" and according to this documentary Poppy Bush was pro-choice but he changed for his party since the GOP officials wanted Poppy as VP and Gore was pro-life and changed his views.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 11:04 PM
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21. Don't know how central Prescott was to rise of Nazis, but...
I did find the original articles on his conviction doing business with the enemy, the guy who wrote a book called I WAS HITLER'S BANKER.

Papa Bush's CIA tenure is not verified, but seems likely.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 11:14 PM
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24. Some hyperbole in there. Press Bush was not a central figure
Also, most of his money did NOT come from Nazi investments. Yes, however, a lot of American capitalists put money into Germany when it seemed, in the 30s, that Hitler had saved the once-and-future industrial giant from the threat of communism--an ever present threat in that decade. Of course it turns out that Hitler "saved" Germany only to the extent that it wasn't the commies who were the ones to destroy that nation. But no one knew how things would end in the 30s when Presscot Bush was a minor investor among hundreds of American capitalists dropping development dollars over there.

Also worth noting was that P Bush was a bit slow pulling his money out of Germany in the 40s. He was among several investors who got fined in '42 or '43 for having investments in German enterprises. But there's no doubt that he was a loyal, patriotic American in war time. He did let his 18 year old son George enlist in the Army Air Corps to fight fascism on a fairly hazardous duty--something a true Nazi would not have done.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 11:16 PM
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25. download this
http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm

zip file at the bottom of link to download and read offline.

dp
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 11:29 PM
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28. Nazi propaganda techniques owed more to French influence . . .
than anything else. I'd be interested in seeing whatever evidence you may have for an American influence on the NSDAP's propaganda techniques.

The question of Hitler being an evil genius or a stupid puppet was debunked more than 60 years ago, but please, carry on. Again, I'd be interested in whatever newly developed academic research you can bring to bear upon this discussion.
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 05:44 AM
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30. Remember, it's George 'Walker' Bush.
If this is all new to you, you need to read Kevin Phillips' well researched book, 'American Dynasty'.
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