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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 09:50 PM
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I think the Roberts confirmation may be the end for me
I have been thinking of leaving the country anyway. I still give money to the local, state, and national Dems, but I don't really think I am going to any more. They're letting an ultra-right wing, unqualified, unresponsive partisan through without even a cursory challenge. I know, you know, and everyone who reads any sort of news source knows that if FL2000 comes up again next year or in 2008, this loser will again vote to overthrow the people's will. And yet "our representatives" won't say one word against this guy. And whoever is nominated to take Sandra's place will be just as extreme and partisan, and again will be waved through.

We have NOLAGate, Plamegate, 9/11, Operation Flight Suit, and Roberts all ongoing, and what does our 2004 candidate come up with? Oil prices! :wtf:

So I'm saving my money and lying low until I get a job in Canada or Europe. I'll probably walk to the polling place to vote for Durbin and Obama and whoever's running against Judy Biggert, but the party is of no use to me or anyone else at this point.
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OrangeCountyDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 09:52 PM
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1. Yup...Don't Think Things Will Recover For At Least 10 Years...Perhaps More
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 09:55 PM
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2. Smirk's poll numbers put him just ahead of Satan
and yet the Dems in DC still go along with everything he does. Either they're too limp/clueless to do anything, or they're in on the decimation of the country. Either way, it's a good time to make tracks.
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nankerphelge Donating Member (995 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 09:59 PM
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3. Amen...
Thank the maker I have the resources and education to do so. Sorry all the rest of you suckers-I'm outta here. Maybe you can educate the rest of these idiots before it's too late, but I don't have any faith in humanity anymore. Your average American is simply too stupid to undertand why his/her lifetstyle is not viable. "It's gots to be these gay marryin', flag burnin LIEberals that have caused my situation to be so turrible."
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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 10:29 PM
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4. I also find this Roberts debacle
personally disturbing. Very disturbing. For me, the Roberts hearing represents the psychosis of this nation.

First, nobody really cares. That alone is painful. Then, the Dems are in a no-win situation. Roberts will be confirmed by numerical certainty unless they filibuster. Why would they do that? They can't really win in the end and they will be smeared in the meantime.

However, it would serve the country well if they DID filibuster in order to take the time and try to educate the public about what is at stake.

Unfortunately, the "media" treats this very important episode as a "game." Who's up, who's down. It's truly sickening. It's truly destructive of our democracy.

These are very destructive and lethal times.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 10:35 PM
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5. It would serve the Dems well to walk out in unison and say exactly why
they are doing it to the American People. This can't go on. Senator Byrd was correct on the Iraq Resolution Vote when he said we gave all our power that is Congresses to the President with this vote: "We Democrats may as well hang a sign out on the Congress saying 'GONE FISHING.' He knew we would never get power back and it's gone downhill since then.

Folks get so excited about Biden standing up against Roberts...yet Biden gave us Clarence Thomas...He gave us a person who helped Scalia and Renquist throw 2000 to Bush. And Biden manipulated the hearings so that Anita Hill's witness who would verify all her information was kept from testifying. He called the hearings closed while this woman waited all day and night until 2:00 a.m. to testify.

We have many Democrats who need to be thrown out but they won't be because they are powerful enough to help their states bring in the bacon.

That's why we lose ...over and over.
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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 11:16 PM
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11. Anita Hill was a major test of my personal
tolerance to view "politics." It was hard, but after that, I thought I was "steeled" to continue.

However, NOTHING could prepare me for what we are facing today.

I KNEW Bush was going to be bad, but he is busting my mind. Isn't that the point?
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 11:38 PM
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14. Anita Hill was my first wakeup call as to what might be coming.
It stands out in my mind as when a light turned on that something was very wrong. The campaign to push Thomas on us was in full swing...now I realize how the Repugs work.

If only everyone could have seen then what we wee going to be in for. And the compliance of our Dems began then, imho. I just never ever thought things would get THIS bad... I believed in our government that there were honest and decent folks who really cared about "checks and balances."

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 11:40 PM
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16. Why don't we pressure them to do that?
Everybody should Email and call or whatever you can do and demand that they just close everything down. They can't do anything and our country is going down the drain. *sigh*
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 10:59 PM
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8. I haven't been watching it. Makes no diff
Edited on Wed Sep-14-05 11:12 PM by barb162
because the Democrats can't really stop it. Even if asked tough questions, he will evade and evade and evade and he will get a pass anyway. The country is screwed.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 10:51 PM
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6. It disturbs me that there has been no questioning about
the treatment of alleged "terrorists." The question I would want to ask Roberts above all is whether being accused of "terrorism" overrides a U.S. citizen's Constitutional rights. Is it legal or ethical or moral to treat an accused "terrorist" worse than acknowledged serial killers? (I'm thinking specifically of the Jose Padilla case.)

If Roberts thinks that it's just fine to hold a U.S. citizen without formal charges and incommunicado indefinitely, simply because someone thinks he's a "terrorist," that worries me as much as anything. If Padilla is a terrorist, let the government prove it in an open and fair trial, such as was granted to Ted Bundy and Jeffery Dahmer.

Frankly, I would also ask Roberts what the real story is about his children. Were they adopted from South America, as one version has it, or from Ireland, as another version has it? Why are there two stories?

For those who say that it is not fair to bring up his family, may I remind you that one of Clinton's candidates for attorney general was rejected because she hadn't paid Social Security for her maid.

Someone who aspires to be the highest legal authority in the land should not be prone to taking illegal shortcuts, and usually, when people can't get their story straight, it means that they're lying.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 10:55 PM
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7. Hey TOJ
I am in Biggert's district too. She 's a real case, isn't she?
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 11:23 PM
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12. Who the fuck knows?
Does she ever do anything? Once in awhile I get a form letter telling me how she "supports the Resident" - braying proudly about disasters like Operation I'm A War Resident, No Child Left Standing, and so on. I don't think she's come up with one fucking idea in the 8 years she's been cashing her $156K/year checks. When the wingers bitch about freeloading congressmen, she's who they're talking about.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 11:35 PM
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13. She and her staffers never answer my letters
Edited on Wed Sep-14-05 11:36 PM by barb162
Last time I wrote to her was when Delay was on the hotseat for ethics violations a few months ago. I wrote this letter telling her I wanted her to vote against that unethical criminal SOB.

She votes however Delay tells her to vote. As far as I am concerned she is just as bad as he is.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 11:08 PM
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9. i love how Dean has been on the job for less than a year
And people are not even giving him a chance. Can we at least wait until 2006 before we throw in the towel. I recall one tiny election under Deans DNC control and we almost won a very red state.

Why do we want to give up on the new management before even 1 game is played?
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 11:12 PM
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10. K'. Bye.
Don't forget to write. We'll write back when we can. We'll be busy though, since we'll be staying.

BTW, that's just what he's come up with TODAY. He's been a busy boy overall, having just come back from Iraq, and Louisiana and all. If you think he hasn't addressed those other things as well, then you haven't been paying attention. Yesterday's quote was a doozy, re: Bush's expression of responsibility.

He's also been trying to get legislation passed for Louisiana's small business folk, among other things.

But no matter. See ya. :hi:

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 11:38 PM
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15. Earlier this week
I was watching the hearings for a few minutes and just wanted to cry. *sigh*
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