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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 01:04 AM
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The Huffington Post on Diebold
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brad-friedman/a-diebold-insider-speaks-_b_7539.html

It doesn't matter about 2006 or 2008 because our election process is broken. Until we fix the problems within our electoral process we don't need to bother voting.

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Elections in 2006 and 2008 are just around the corner and you Democrats are making big plans. Good for you. You probably think you're in a terrific place to regain your majority in Congress and perhaps even re-take the White House. You probably are. Or at least you might have been...

Because here's the bad news: Unless you follow Phillips' advice and pay attention now to what has happened to your Electoral System in America -- to what is happening even as you read this every single day in every single Board of Elections in every single county in every single state in America -- you will be in for an even bigger surprise in '06 and '08 than you found yourselves waking up to on the morning of November 3rd, 2004.

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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 01:08 AM
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1. Go, Brad! This is great, Arianna's blog putting this out there. n/t
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 01:15 AM
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2. but, but, when I said exactly this two days ago
it was pulled, why? the system is broken and we need to think of other means...

It is way past demonstrations

It is way past a national strike

It is way past... and when people realize that... then we may see the rise of an angry people
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 01:24 AM
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3. You mean the moderaters removed the thread?
really? That's scary. I think it is the most important message, because they are going to steal it again, if the current system stays in place.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 01:29 AM
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4. Yep they did
there are days I think unil they appear at Huff or any other "respectable blog" the lets rock the boat mentality is not allowed in....

But we need to start thinking of new ways of doign this, for the elections are gonna be a sham.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:10 AM
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17. Democracy is dead
Unless we do something about those machines. I'm surprised they would delete your comments. I would imagine most of us agree with what you wrote.
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drfresh Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 02:47 AM
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5. recommended
its all about the voting systems (well, a lot of it)
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 08:01 AM
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6.  Recommended..This is the MOST important issue in the U. S. , imho.....
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:25 AM
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7. yes, so long as voting is rigged, there is no point in voting
nt
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:57 PM
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13. Absolutely NOT TRUE! Never, never, never give up your right to vote!
Never!

While there is still even the remotest outside chance that we can get our votes counted, that we can monitor and challenge suspicious results (see USCountVotes.org), or change election officials' minds and get them to back away from this corruption (see VotersUnite.org), or overwhelm the election fraud with masses of new voters, we MUST REMAIN ENGAGED.

This is our MECHANISM OF POWER--our ONLY mechanism of power. This IS our democracy, and giving up on it is a HUGE DECISION, that most of us here are NOT PREPARED to make. We see hope in PEOPLE, who want good government. We see hope in the progressive MAJORITY that we know exists--there are amazing polling statistics that back that up--but which has no voice in the war profiteering corporate news monopolies, and has been disempowered and DISENFRANCHISED, while the minority rightwing has been given a big trumpet way out of proportion to their numbers.

There is also the scenario of overwhelming them with our numbers--which we did, successfully, in '04, but not enough (and there was little consciousness of what they were doing; now there is!). We needed a 15% to 20% margin, not the 5% to 10% that Kerry actually got. There is only so far they can go with electronic vote theft without risking exposure, and losing this valuable and lucrative election theft tool. They have to make it look SORT OF right--in some cases anyway.

You will notice that, in 2004, they HAD the capability of producing a phony Bush blowout, and they DID NOT DO SO. The win they manufactured was a modest one, compared to what they could, theoretically, have pulled out of their magic hat--a 3% margin over Kerry (the exact opposite of the exit polls, which Kerry won by 3%--the Bush margin derived by using Diebold's and ES&S's secret, proprietary vote tabulation code, and the Kerry win of the exit polls being more reliable due to the pollsters' relative independence). (Note: This does not count suppressed votes, purged black voters, etc. which would have bumped Kerry's margin up several points. He likely won by at least 5%.)

Anyway, you see what I mean. In an election where Republicans have a safe parameter of say, 3%, that they can steal without much fear of detection, YOUR VOTE COULD BE VITAL. They DO have to have people GO to the polls in order to steal an election!--and if you were to bring two or three new voters to the polls with you, and others did the same, you COULD STILL BEAT THEM.

The Dems had a blowout success (mostly due to grass roots fervor) in new voter registration in 2004, nearly 60/40. Obviously, we've got to make that 70/30 or better, to overcome the fraud.

Just like women and racial minorities, Dems are going to have to work harder, much harder, to win--because they begin with a handicap of X% of the votes that Repubs are going to manufacture or steal, or suppress.

And there are many strategies and projects being worked on to restore transparency in our elections, and to closely monitor the next elections, and challenge them.

Don't give up, donsu! Never give up! Join these efforts! We're fighting for our democracy, and yours. It's yours to fight for, or lose. Or, if you've decided to give up, please give us a better explanation than depression, or the size of the mountain we have to climb.

Yes, the voting is rigged--in a more difficult way to overcome than has ever been the case before--but elections over the last several decades have also been rigged in various ways, chief among them by money (large donors being able to buy elections). We have THAT to solve, too--but first we have to solve this more fundamental and more recent problem: EASILY riggable, non-transparent elections.

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Good web sites for information and action:

USCountVotes.org: They have a plan to monitor the 2006 elections, and be ready with statistical info to help challenge any questionable results. They need donations!

VotersUnite.org: (Note: .org NOT .com). They publish an excellent pamphlet called "Myth Breakers," which simply and clearly explains the problems with electronic voting, and how to fix them. They urge you to send this pamphlet to all election officials and other reps.

Freepress.org, Bradblog.com and Solarbus.org are also excellent sites for election information.

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We need...

Paper ballots hand-counted at the precinct level (--Canada does it in one day, although speed should not even be a consideration, just accuracy and verifiability)

or, at the least...

Paper ballot (not "paper trail") backup of all electronic voting, a 10% automatic recount, very strict security, and NO SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code! (...jeez!).

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IT'S NOT OVER YET! Think of the years and years and years that black citizen had to struggle for full citizenship. Think of the 30 years Nelson Mandela spent in jail in South Africa, before he emerged from jail to become its first black president! We may have a long way to go, but we have some golden examples of courage and endurance to inspire us.



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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 01:05 PM
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14. i plan to absentee vote on a paper ballot. is that a bad idea? eom
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tgnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:26 AM
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8. Recommended. Also recommend this related book:
www.intelligencesquad.com/id22.html
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:40 AM
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9. Recommend and thus the reason why I urge all of you to support ...
.... a call for Congressman Conyers to announce his candidacy for President of the United States of America -- NOW.

See:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=106x23663#23702

He is the one person best qualified and he is the one person who, by announcing his candidacy for President now, can bring intense pressure on every precinct, every county and every State to ensure that each eligible voter has equivalent access to vote, that the vote using 'voter verified paper ballots' and that NO SECRET COUNTING OF BALLOTS IS ALLOWED.

Thank you.


Peace.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:55 AM
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10. Important read
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:24 PM
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11. Until we have a paper trail
And it is the public that count the votes, We need separate polling places.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:41 PM
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12. Assuming that "paper trail" means paper BALLOTS
A mere paper trail -- printed receipts that parrot back what the voter entered -- are meaningless if all elections officials are going to do anyway is query the machine for the results. There is NO way to verify that count unless there is a paper, voter verified BALLOT than can be referenced and used in a recount, if a recount is needed.

Case in point: the fiasco that was the 2004 Washington State governor's race. Query the machines once, and it reports that Dino Rossi won. The margin is within the 0.5% that mandates a recount, so the machines are queried again. Rossi still wins, and with the exact same numbers as before. The Democrats smell something rotten, and ask that the ballots be validated. Oops! Sorry, there are no ballots. You will just have to take our word for it that Gregoire lost, and that the Republicans now have exclusive control of both houses of the state legislature and, in fact, every single elected office in the state. Amazing, isn't it, just how quickly Washingtonians threw away the Demoracts, simply amazing.
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passy Donating Member (780 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:43 AM
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15. Here is my take on the problem, and it involves terrorists.
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 07:44 AM
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16. bump
Yup.
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