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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 12:38 PM
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Help Mongo understand
The Wha.....?

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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 12:41 PM
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1. His teeth are missing
Well, on one side, anyway.

I just posted that "Republican Jew" is an oxymoron I'll never understand.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 12:45 PM
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3. You beat me to it. I was going to post "Isn't that an oxymoron?
No, not him, the text."
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 12:46 PM
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5. Remember the origins of the Neo Cons
A very good read and yes it is okay to be THAT frightened by this-regardless of religions involved.

The Men From JINSA and CSP

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20020902/vest

Just as the right-wing defense intellectuals made CPD a cornerstone of a shadow defense establishment during the Carter Administration, so, too, did the right during the Clinton years, in part through two organizations: the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA) and the Center for Security Policy (CSP). And just as was the case two decades ago, dozens of their members have ascended to powerful government posts, where their advocacy in support of the same agenda continues, abetted by the out-of-government adjuncts from which they came. Industrious and persistent, they've managed to weave a number of issues--support for national missile defense, opposition to arms control treaties, championing of wasteful weapons systems, arms aid to Turkey and American unilateralism in general--into a hard line, with support for the Israeli right at its core.

On no issue is the JINSA/CSP hard line more evident than in its relentless campaign for war--not just with Iraq, but "total war," as Michael Ledeen, one of the most influential JINSAns in Washington, put it last year. For this crew, "regime change" by any means necessary in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia and the Palestinian Authority is an urgent imperative. Anyone who dissents--be it Colin Powell's State Department, the CIA or career military officers--is committing heresy against articles of faith that effectively hold there is no difference between US and Israeli national security interests, and that the only way to assure continued safety and prosperity for both countries is through hegemony in the Middle East--a hegemony achieved with the traditional cold war recipe of feints, force, clientism and covert action.


For example, the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board--chaired by JINSA/CSP adviser and former Reagan Administration Defense Department official Richard Perle, and stacked with advisers from both groups--recently made news by listening to a briefing that cast Saudi Arabia as an enemy to be brought to heel through a number of potential mechanisms, many of which mirror JINSA's recommendations, and which reflect the JINSA/CSP crowd's preoccupation with Egypt. (The final slide of the Defense Policy Board presentation proposed that "Grand Strategy for the Middle East" should concentrate on "Iraq as the tactical pivot, Saudi Arabia as the strategic pivot Egypt as the prize.")
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 12:49 PM
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8. He forgot to replace his dentures...
after "conferring" with Turd Blossom.

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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 12:41 PM
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2. No candy for Mongo today.
Mongo - remember Ariel Sharon and all those who support him and that should make that photo more clear.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 12:45 PM
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4. well you know there are several issues here
I would guess first and foremost is unconditional support of Israeli PAC and lobby support for pro-Israeli policy (not a bad thing except where it intersects human rights issues), and the administration's willingness to overlook human rights issues if they were being caused by Israeli public policy.

Other issues that some non-reform groups took issue with were same-sex marriage and "moral values", and

perception perception perception. Israeli public policy is much more aligned with what we would consider the hard far right here as a general statement, and some people of the Jewish faith are inextricably and unquestionably bound by cultural identity to the idea of Israel. That makes them easy targets for simple campaigns that prey on their fears of lack of support and their willingness to go with whomever is "stronger", not whomever is "best".

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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 12:47 PM
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6. IN NO WAY did I mean this against any faith
see my post above though
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 12:48 PM
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7. neither did I - I was talking about Israel public policy
hope there was no confusion -
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 12:56 PM
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9. No I just wanted to get that on a subject line
:hi:
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