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Meldread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 03:54 PM
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Hey Democrats, get a clue!!
Seriously, get a freakin' clue and a backbone! It is highly likely that Roberts will be nominated BECAUSE of Democratic enablers. Did any of those Democrats ask themselves what would happen if the situation was reversed? It isn't that hard to imagine, and it would be the correct strategy.

If the Democrats had simply said, "Hey, we can't vote for Roberts because we don't know anything about him. Since we don't know anything about him, we have to look at the Bush Administrations political appointment record. We see that the Bush Administration has had a long string of bad appointments, most recently Michael Brown and therefore we do not believe he should be allowed to appoint *anyone* to the Supreme Court!"

Just say that over and over and over. Focus on Michael Brown. Arabian Horse guy. Focus on other bad political appointments. Say Roberts is hiding something in his past which is why you can't vote for him. Spin, spin, spin, point the finger, delay, delay, spin, spin, stall, delay, stall... Keep saying you can't trust the Bush Administration to appoint anyone who is qualified to the Supreme Court. Point out past failures. Ask Americans if they want another Michael Brown?

That's what a Republican would have done if the tables were turned. Yet, Democrats roll over. Pathetic. Sad, pathetic and useless are the three words that come to my mind when thinking about the Democrats who keep enabling the Bush Administration.

Hell! A Democrat should even point out the fact that the BTK guy was able to hide who he really was from his family, friends and church! Draw that comparison! It's EXACTLY what a Republican would do!
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designforce Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 03:57 PM
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1. Agree 100%
So right, we do not want repuke lite.

Dems in power need to show some guts.....

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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 03:57 PM
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2. I've been saying that for 3 weeks.
I agree 100%- too many Democrats were on TV saying "Well, he is well qualified, and he does have an impressive resume..."

NO- he does not. He has an INCOMPLETE resume, just like freaking Brownie.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 03:58 PM
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3. . . .
:thumbsup:
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Tace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 04:01 PM
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4. You're So Right
The only reason Bushco is in such a hurry is purely political. They can see the window closing on their power.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 04:01 PM
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5. nader comes to mind
Edited on Fri Sep-23-05 04:04 PM by noiretblu
with his "no difference" rhetoric...that awful, lying, egomaniacal bastard :sarcasm:
there is a big difference, as you mention: republicans would fight a nomination to the death, even if they couldn't stop it.
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TwentyFive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 04:11 PM
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8. Don't forget their well funded right wing groups.
If any republican 'went off the range' they would be forced out in the next election by The Club for Growth, Christian Coalition, KKK, NRA or some other republican backed group.
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TwentyFive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 04:02 PM
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6. This is why the Democrats are in the minority.
Who can get excited about a team that, when the going gets tough...they fold. Roberts is a huge mistake for the SC. In fact, anybody that Bush appoints has to be, by definition, a mistake.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 04:05 PM
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7. excellent point
all bush's folks are foxes in the henhouse, just like "brownie."
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Meldread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 04:28 PM
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9. Exactly my point.
...and it should be the talking point of any Democrat with a brain and a spine.
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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 04:43 PM
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11. Hey, why can't I link to Betty Bowers? n/m
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TwentyFive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 05:20 PM
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17. I love the Ray cartoon....so funny
Thanks for posting this!
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 04:34 PM
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10. Ginsberg and Breyer got 95+ votes
Did the Republicans roll over in those cases?

Was it a sign of weak or ineffective leadership when they took over Congress a year later?

SCOTUS nominations are the consequences of presidential elections.

Either way, Democrats showing openess to Roberts allows us to present a united front against an extremist like Janice Rogers Brown.
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 04:46 PM
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12. Small difference: neither Ginsberg nor Breyer is a leftist ideologue.
Edited on Fri Sep-23-05 05:13 PM by Mairead
Roberts is a rightwing ideologue.

Why is it hard for you to see that?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 04:49 PM
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15. Did they hide major documents from congress?
If they did, then the parallel may be a tiny bit more valid.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 04:48 PM
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13. But that was before DEMs got burned on their War & the Patriot Act votes.
After those two votes, it's more reasonable now for to oppose Bush based on the fact that he burns you when you go along with him.

We cant vote "yes" to a liar anymore.

We cant give Bush the benefit of the doubt anymore and base it on parlimentary tradition.

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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 05:55 PM
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18. What makes you think Roberts is more moderate than Brown? He just more
circumspect whereas she's more candid. I've read quite a few of both judges' opinions, and I see no basis for your suggestion that Roberts is more moderate. Brown is a more forthright speaker, and her views are disgusting but they do not reflect very different views than those espoused by Roberts in his papers released from the Reagan library.
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 04:48 PM
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14. I'm in the UK, and I'm not very well-up on American political procedure.
If the Republicans decide that they're going to push Roberts through regardless of all opposition, how much could/can the Democrats do to stop them? Does it need a simply majority to get him in, or more than that?
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 05:12 PM
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16. It's a simple-majority decision.
Edited on Fri Sep-23-05 05:12 PM by Mairead
But the Dems could prevent it being brought to a vote by filibustering, which would require 60 or 66 votes, I can't recall which, to terminate. But then the GOP could change the rules to eliminate the right to filibuster, so the dance goes on.

It's a giant, useless game of 'pantomime chicken'.
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Meldread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 08:08 PM
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19. Kick
:kick:
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