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SeaNap05 Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 07:02 PM
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Will Edwards message resonate.......
Edited on Sun Sep-25-05 07:12 PM by SeaNap05
with the country. I'm wondering if anyone thinks Edwards poverty message will make an impact on the country. The importance of him taking up the issue of poverty is to shake some of the social conservatives up a little and show them that poverty is a problem.

I believe the message is perfect for him to speak on and his position at the UNC Chapel Hill Poverty Center think tank will show how deep rooted the problem is in America. The fact that 1 million new people entered into poverty last year shows that this is becoming an epidemic and not about class differences, but of economic disparities and social plight.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 07:07 PM
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1. it's a great message, but...
so many people believe the Reagan era mantra that people are poor because they are lazy that it will be tough to resonate with the population at large.
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BamaLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 07:10 PM
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2. Exactly
Sadly... you're right on.

Still preach it though.
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AmericanDream Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 07:18 PM
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3. That is not true...
According to the recent poll, 60% of Americans believe that those who live in poverty are the ones who work. So, that is a clear majority of Americans opining against the Reagan belief. And, this was taken before Katrina. Now, Katrina has shown that normal families with kids and parents who no way look like some lazy bums.... and this is a perfect time to look through this window of opportunity.
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SeaNap05 Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 07:21 PM
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4. Katrina open the door
Katrina opened the door for a more frank discussion on this issue. However, the door may not open like this again, so the road will be a tough one for Edwards.
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 08:22 PM
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7. Also, look at the way people donated to Katrina victims.
Edited on Sun Sep-25-05 08:22 PM by 1932
Nobody looked poorer than Katrina victims and Americans proved that they believe that when Americans are suffering, you lend a helping hand.

My church collected incredible amounts of money for Katrina victims three weekends in a row now. One Sunday the priest said that the raised more money than they've ever raised before (just under $20,000). The next weekend, someone gave a $3,000 check making that weekend the record.

None of these people would have a problem if the government were also helping to alleviate suffering.

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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 08:52 PM
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8. yes, but
anywhere from 2/3 to 3/4 of Americans believe we should have univeral health care - even if we have to pay higher taxes for it. Yet, we don't have it and how many advocates of universal health care are on TV regularly advocating it?

While it is great that John Edwards is bringing attention to it, unless you are up over 80 or 85% of Americans believing that most poor people are not lazy, but are trying their best to get a better life, then it is not going to happen.

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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 07:28 PM
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5. Hey, If WE Believe It... It's OUR Duty To Keep It Going!
He's been at this for much longer than BEFORE Katrina. That's why I, even as a Liberal CAN support him, and will if he runs!!

He has a LOT of pluses that many are overlooking! He hit the road right after the election on his poverty work and stumping for poverty, the less fortunate and the middle guy. I have lots of respect for him. He hasn't been hiding out waiting for time to run, he just kept trying to do what he always was about.

And Elizabeth is SUCH a wonderful, talented ane gracious lady. First Lady!!



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SeaNap05 Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 07:34 PM
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6. I agree
I'm a North Carolinian and followed his journey from the start. He needs to get a groove and go with it. He needs to have an issue that is his and be able to speak on it. When the media wants to discuss this Poverty or the Middle Class John should be the person.
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DemDogs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 10:51 PM
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9. A movement starts with a cause
This is a cause that could really rally people throughout the country because doing something about it makes us stronger and makes us feel good about America again.

Most of the poor ARE working. Did you hear how he talked about the working poor at the Harkin Steak Fry (back on CSpan at 12:30 eastern)? He didn't just talk about the poor, he talked about waiting for paychecks and waiting for work. If anyone can get this idea translated to a national movement, he can, and if he does, there will be a political tidal wave.
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win_in_06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 10:57 PM
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10. The "Two Americas" were certainly evident in Katrina's wake
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SeaNap05 Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:28 PM
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11. Part of his message goes beyond poverty
His message indeed is about viewing poverty different and focusing on a solution. However, his message rings with the Middle Class as well. A part of the country he has championed during his bid for president in 03'.
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:33 PM
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12. John Edwards is not a "Johnny-come-lately" to the poverty cause...
The American Heritage Dictionary defines Johnny-come-lately as:
A newcomer or latecomer, especially a recent adherent to a cause or trend.
His presidential campaign was about two Americas, one for the rich and one for everybody else.
He has not been idle in this arena after the election, either.
http://www.oneamericacommittee.com/

He is right on target!
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 11:51 AM
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14. I Get His Mail All The Time...
and also from Elizabeth. I think we need to give him much more scrutiny and take a very good look at him. I think his message is the correct one for us to get behind. I have such respect for the both of them. They have been working tirelessly for "ordinary" Americans and haven't stopped.

All I hear is Hillary, Hillary, Hillary and HER message IS NOT my message. Edwards has many pluses if we only would give him more focus.

While in D.C. this past week-end I talked to many many people about him and for the most part they were in agreement. However many said they hadn't looked at him that way. If more people would actually take a hard look, I think they will find he has a lot to offer, besides his "good looks!" Here's a man who has devoted so much time and energy to the regular Joe Blow and those less fortunate!

I've said this many many times here, but as a Liberal I CAN do JOHN EDWARDS in '08!!!!
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nvliberal Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 01:09 AM
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13. It isn't just poverty,
it's the relentless class war in this country against anybody who is not in the top 1 percent.

You can't just talk about the poor; you have to talk about those who are in the middle class who are rapidly sinking into serfdom.

Edwards means well, but I just don't have any faith the electoral system will be fair enough for him to win election or even the primaries in 2008.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 12:11 PM
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15. I Just Said... It's OUR Job To Get His Message Front & Center!
It's a Fantastic message, and one he has been talking about even BEFORE Katrina! And that's what makes it so much MORE important!

As I said, just take a long hard look and see what you come away with. If THEY won't look at him, then maybe WE can make THEM look at him. He's on the right path and he has soooooo many pluses to offer.

The least of which is LOCATION! This time around things have changed! He has a message that resonates, he has charisma, he has location, he has experience, he has ELIZABETH and he IS A HARD WORKER! We could do much much worse!!
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Hidden Stillness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 03:26 PM
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16. A Story Almost Everyone Can Relate To--And We Tell It
I think that as the economy gets worse and worse for more and more people, this message will start to have real meaning again, as millions of people who never thought about the issue before, will now suddenly be one step away from it themselves, and unable to get away. After all these years of corporate "government" and "culture," where there is no message--no life--other than "sell, sell," "buy, buy," eroding all our minds and souls, now finally, you can't deny reality anymore; and we owe it all to a couple of hurricanes. I liked your phrasing at the end there, about the rather alarming spread of poverty and near-poverty since the neo-cons came along, "that this is becoming an epidemic and not about class differences, but of economic disparities and social plight." I believe this will be key on how to approach it, to reflect newer realities.

This issue, I think, should be told with more than the usual, standard examples of poverty or economic hardship, so more people can find their own situations there, and identify with it as an issue, and a solution to their own problems. People become poor, or are already, so you have two situations already. There is institutionalized bigotry keeping people from jobs, bank loans to get cars, etc., and there is instant poverty because of medical bills, the loss of a job and lack of good available jobs, poverty because of drug addiction using up all the money, and the need for good, free addiction-recovery programs, and poverty from escaping a violent abuser in your own home, and now having nothing. Some people are poor because they are disabled, and can never hold a job, others are old, sick and alone, once had decent lives, but now can't afford to live. Soup kitchens and other charities report that over the past few years the types of people they see has changed, been added to. Now not only lone adult males, but whole, intact families with children, and old people, over 70, who formerly had been able to survive on their Social Security checks, now, because of price-gouging so common it is not even noticed as a political issue anymore, cannot anymore. Referring to all the types of people affected this way, rather than just one or two stock "poverty" examples, I think escapes the problem that usually happens,where you then have people just blaming the "one group that is always poor," and why don't "they" do anything, etc., and reveals it instead as a situation itself. The condition is the problem (not the people), the people are merely suffering it, not causing it. Next time, it could be you. The more different examples you can give as to how the economic suffering was caused, the more you have to realize that it is not the people causing it--they can't ALL be "lazy," "whining," "stupid," etc.--and that something is going on here, something systematic is wrong. After all, the Census itself reports that one-fourth of all people working full-time jobs at minimum wage are homeless--the problem doesn't get clearer than that.

This situation rips the mask off many things: the criminality of the Bush-Halliburton Administration, stealing tax dollars and funneling it all to their corporate friends, while our country sinks, actually getting rid of jobs in this country; the complete, fantasy-world incompetence of neo-cons running things, from Iraq to the "response" to the hurricane victims, on and on. It also rips the mask off of the corporate media, pretending to be middle class, "hip," and popular, and now you now clearly that they are all just rich capitalist mouthpieces and propagandists. The horrific contrast of (the pictures of) Bush strumming guitar and having cake with McCain at a party while people were actually drowning, dying, in the Gulf states after Katrina, should never be forgotten. It was another "Remember the Alamo" moment.

The emphasis should be on providing enough examples of different kinds of poverty and near-poverty, with detailed explanations of how hard daily life is, that it becomes a generality to people, and the framework expands from this godawful, commercial "personalized" approach, with one or two people as an example, to instead the grand scale, and you realize again our whole country. This is a huge problem--multiple and complex, but still coherently one issue--and it is all of us, together, one Nation. We have to shift the emphasis to the deregulated capitalism and tax cuts, the culture of corporate greed and arch-conservative anti-Americanism that has brought us here, and keep the focus on the enemy and the problem.

Equally, we have to return to the once commonsense attitude that had a great love for our system of laws and protections, that made us a great democracy; a love of government, not greedy capitalism. An example I like to use is that of Affirmative Action laws. When Republicans pretend that Affirmative Action is "racial quotas," they do that for a reason, and it is to turn opinion against black people as some kind of a "drain" on the system, and against Affirmative Action laws, as some kind of undeserved privilege (which also makes you forget rich non-tax-paying people's undeserved privilege). Most people who file discrimination lawsuits under Affirmative Action are white women. Affirmative Action also covers disabled people, the elderly, even Viet Nam veterans (1967), and many other groups. If you realize how many people benefit from these laws, you change the focus, and instead it just becomes a region of law that covers and protects us all. You can love these things as an "infrastructure of civilization," no less than the infrastructure of streets and highways, plumbing and electricity, schools and police and fire departments, that we love and need as a first-rate society. These things are "our friends," and life would be a lot more grim for us all if we didn't have these laws.

A point should be made, especially now, that this economy, even this world, should not just be for the throat-slashing, stock-owning capitalist for whom the greed for money is the only thing driving them, and the rest of us who have our jobs in proportion cannot make it. The issue is not limited and overlaps with many other issues. It should be kept focused, but enough kinds of examples given, that the majority of Americans will eventually recognize themselves, and agree. The corporate era is over; we can't take it any more.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 06:37 PM
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17. Edwards message resonates with the working poor...
Keyword: working. His website better explains the minimum wage initiatives too:

http://www.oneamericacommittee.com/

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