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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 10:12 PM
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With Frist's apostasy, I am Convinced that Romney will be next POTUS
Barring, of course, a dramatic decline in religiosity combined with a miraculous progressive/democratic coalition nearly as massive, unified, and powerful as the one that occurred in the build-up to the 2004 Election.

Short of those two very unlikely events, I think Romney will be our POTUS come 2008. Who knows what the world will be like then. Maybe he can use that vast Mormon infrastructure to distribute disaster relief to what is left of the United States.

However, I will get quite a kick out of seeing Evangelical Christians and Catholics support a Mormon. That will just about make it all worth it. You have to look for joy in the small things.

Now, thinking about that, I wonder if the specter of impending Theocracy will seem as delightful to Christians if it is not THEIR brand of Christianity that is heading up the adulterous Church/State monstrosity...possibly the prospect of having a "hell-bound (whatever) heretic" in charge of the Theocracy will frighten American Christians into a state of mutual suspicion, distrust and paranoia, and subsequently shatter the (so-far) undefeatable Religious Reich coalition.

Possibly there is some hope for the People of Reason and the future of our country.

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Thomas Paine's The Age of Reason - Online
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/thomas_paine/age_of_reason/index.shtml

Complete Works of Robert Ingersoll - Online
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 10:14 PM
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1. Romney is a dick.
He's more unelectable than GW and he doesn't have the fixers to overcome it.

McCain will be the candidate, and he'll swallow whatever pride/honor he has, and let the diebold gang steal the election for him.
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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:01 PM
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4. McCain - homo agenda, junk science, filibuster AND served in Vietnam
McCain does not have a prayer with the "People of Faith" - the Electoral Shock Troops of the Religious Reich. They did not like him before he "betrayed" them with the filibuster compromise. After that, the Radical Clerics of the Religious Reich vowed to destroy him. (The AP Article read, "McCain is Finished, Say Religious Right Leaders")

Besides that, he supporters the homosexual agenda, and believes in that junk science (aka "Global Warming").

Further, he ACTUALLY SERVED in Vietnam, which I believe, automatically disqualifies anyone from the office of POTUS.
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 07:30 AM
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16. Actually, he kind of danced around the issue . . .
Of public burnings of gay people. I think he can win back the "burn the faggots with faggots" crowd by finessing the issue.

While the no-opposable-thumb contingent of the wacko right thinks of him as a little to the left of beelzebub, their leaders see in him an opportunity to put up a candidate who can actually win, and then who would be so beholden to them that they'll be able to easily clip on the same electrodes they use on Georgie.

He can convert the global warming debate into "god's wrath for abortion." Not too hard to believe when your home and your beloved gramma have been swept out to sea by the latest megahurricane.

Filibuster lets him say -- "I tried to play nice with Demoncrats, and look what it got us: they still opposed our uber-Scalia, John Roberts."

The Vietnam thing is a problem. He'll just have to lie on that one, say he was really partying all that time. Hanoi Hilton, after all. The Hilton is a pretty fancy place to be, ya know?

"John McCain, willing tool of the power elite since 1968 . . ."



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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 10:17 PM
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2. The media won't select Romney
He's not sellable enough.

They want McCain and/or Guliani and Condi and Hillary. Any combination of those. But it won't be Romney. They're already setting us up to cram these jerk-offs down our throats, and if you still think We The People have an actual say in who gets nominated, you haven't been paying attention the last few years.
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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:12 PM
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6. The Faithful of the Religious Reich do not listen to the "liberal media"
They do not care which candidate the media selects.

They are sick of the media, and sick of the culture, and sick of the sinfulness, and they are not going to take it anymore. They have organized and have established the most powerful political coalition in the United States.

People of Reason should be very afraid. Just a few hundred years ago believers in this particular superstition - which has as it's centerpiece a vicious, bloody human sacrifice - were burning people alive for not believing the "right" way.

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Heretics And Heresies (1874)
Robert Green Ingersoll
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/robert_ingersoll/heretics_and_hericies.html

Give any orthodox church the power, and to-day they would punish heresy with whip, and chain, and fire. As long as a church deems a certain belief essential to salvation, just so long it will kill and burn if it has the power. Why should the church pity a man whom her God hates? Why should she show mercy to a kind and noble heretic whom her God will burn in eternal fire? Why should a Christian be better than his God? It is impossible for the imagination to conceive of a greater atrocity than has been perpetrated by the church. Every nerve in the human body capable of pain has been sought out and touched.

Let it be remembered that all churches have persecuted heretics to the fullest extent of their power. Toleration has increased only when and where the power of the church has diminished. From Augustine until now the spirit of the Christians has remained the same. There has been the same intolerance, the same undying hatred of all who think for themselves, and the same determination to crush out of the human brain all knowledge inconsistent with an ignorant creed...

According to the theologians, God, the Father of us all, wrote a letter to his children. The children have always differed somewhat as to the meaning of this letter. In consequence of these honest differences, these brothers began to cut out each other's hearts. In every land, where this letter from God has been read, the children to whom and for whom it was written have been filled with hatred and malice. They have imprisoned and murdered each other, and the wives and children of each other. In the name of God every possible crime has been committed, every conceivable outrage has been perpetrated. Brave men, tender and loving women, beautiful girls, and prattling babes have been exterminated in the name of Jesus Christ. For more than fifty generations the church has carried the black flag. Her vengeance has been measured only by her power. During all these years of infamy no heretic has ever been forgiven. With the heart of a fiend she has hated; with the clutch of avarice she has grasped; with the jaws of a dragon she has devoured; pitiless as famine, merciless as fire, with the conscience of a serpent: such is the history of the Church of God.

Men and women have been burned for thinking there is but one God; that there was none; that the Holy Ghost is younger than God; that God was somewhat older than his son; for insisting that good works will save a man without faith; that faith will do without good works; for declaring that a sweet babe will not be burned eternally, because its parents failed to have its head wet by a priest; for speaking of God as though he had a nose; for denying that Christ was his own father; for contending that three persons, rightly added together, make more than one; for believing in purgatory; for denying the reality of hell; for pretending that priests can forgive sins; for preaching that God is an essence; for denying that witches rode through the air on sticks; for doubting the total depravity of the human heart; for laughing at irresistible grace, predestination and particular redemption; for denying that good bread could be made of the body of a dead man; for pretending that the pope was not managing this world for God, and in the place of God; for disputing the efficacy of a vicarious atonement; for thinking the Virgin Mary was born like other people; for thinking that a man's rib was hardly sufficient to make a good- sized woman; for denying that God used his finger for a pen; for asserting that prayers are not answered, that diseases are not sent to punish unbelief; for denying the authority of the Bible; for having a Bible in their possession; for attending mass, and for refusing to attend; for wearing a surplice; for carrying a cross, and for refusing; for being a Catholic, and for being a Protestant; for being an Episcopalian, a Presbyterian, a Baptist, and for being a Quaker. In short, every virtue has been a crime, and every crime a virtue. The church has burned honesty and rewarded hypocrisy. And all this, because it was commanded by a book -- a book that men had been taught implicitly to believe, long before they knew one word that was in it. They had been taught that to doubt the truth of this book -- to examine it, even -- was a crime of such enormity that it could not be forgiven, either in this world or in the next.

Complete Works of Robert Ingersoll - Online
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/robert_ingersoll/index.shtml





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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 10:17 PM
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3. No way! The conservative Christian repub party won't allow it.
They're not going to nominate someone from that weird Mormon religion.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 01:37 AM
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13. Exactly.... these are morons who had problems with Kerry being Catholic
...or Holy Joe being Jewish for that matter.

They consider the LDS a "cult". No way in Hell that Shit Romney gets the nomination. Orrin Hatch tried before and he didn't get far.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:09 PM
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5. You're "convinced"?
Edited on Sun Sep-25-05 11:17 PM by gristy
Are you a betting person? What kind of odds are you willing to convert "convinced" into?

on edit: Sorry, I'm being mean. Do you really mean that you see a non-zero chance for Romney to succeed *, and that we should not take the term "convinced" too literally?
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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:47 PM
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8. I'd put 10 to 1 on Romney. There is no other suitable Rep candidate.
McCain - he "betrayed" them with the filibuster compromise. Also, homosexual agenda, junk science, and Vietnam service. Completely out.

Guliani - homosexual agenda, plus hetero-shenanigans. Plus his name is not spelled like it sounds, which could constured as French or French-like.

Condi - AFAIK, she has not accepted Jesus Christ as her personal Lord and Savior. Plus she is um, not male, and not white. Howard Dean may not always come off smoothly, but he is usually right, and I refer you to his much talked about comments on the demographics of the Republican Party.

I was SURE Frist was going to be POTUS come 2008. I was ready for it. Despite his right-wing policies, he had a certain Kerry-esquiness - he spoke clearly, with great articulateness and eloquence; he had obvious natural intelligence and a genuine formal education - so I was sort of looking forward to him as being more tolerable than *. I would despise his policies, but at least he would not be an embarassment to the United States.

With his appearance at Justice Sunday/Theocracy Now!, Frist sealed the deal with the Religious Reich. But then Satan got to him and he flip-flopped on supporting stem-cell research. Nobody who advocates killing babies is going to get elected POTUS. Then came the financial scandals, and it was certian that Satan had his soul. No matter how many cats he sacrificed, he was doomed.

***

Now as far as odds, I believe I made it clear: unless there is a marked decline in religiosity AND an unprecedented progressive coalition, the Republican nominee will be elected. As we learned in 2004, a massive, unified progressive coalition is not enough to withstand the onslaught of the Electoral Shock Troops of the Religious Reich.

And on the note of odds, what do YOU think are the odds of Noam Chomsky endorsing a Democrat again in our lifetimes? And Howard Zinn? And do you suppose a coalition of Nobel Prize winners will write another open letter to the American People? Or that Retired Military Commanders and Diplomats will unite from both parties and rally for a partisan cause? And will a massively promoted film slamming the Republican candidate pack movie theaters and produce wrap around lines in the Summer of 2008? I could go on and on. 2004 was a historical, unprecedented miracle of progressive unity. People (like Chomsky) who HATE Democrats actually swallowed their loathing and publicly endorsed the Democrat. And even with that unprecedented unity, and even with that miraculous confluence of factors, we know how Decision 2004 turned out...
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:18 PM
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7. Repug Southerners will vote for a Yankee from Massachusetts? Wha?
Nice try...a little hint though...the Repug base would NOT vote for a Yankee, especially one that allows homosexuals in his state and under his watch to even breath...

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mikeytherat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 07:42 AM
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18. GW -- A Connecticut Yankee, attended Philips Academy in TAXachusetts,
cheerleader at YALE.

The good 'ol boys down my way voted for him in droves.

mikey_the_rat
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 01:13 AM
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9. Bill Kristol mentioned Mitt on the Chris Matthews show tonight.
He probably knows some things we don't.
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nvliberal Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 01:14 AM
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10. Not Romney. The neocons need a puppet.
It will be either George Allen or Condi Rice (the latter only if Hillary is insane enough to run and get nominated by the Dems).
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 01:23 AM
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12. George Allen would be their wet dream
Follows the party line like a puppy and dumb as a box of rocks. But perhaps too inexperienced. He may need a few years yet.
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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 02:38 AM
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15. The Neocons are out; the THEOCONS are in. God bless America.
The Neocons may have THOUGHT they were "just using" the Religious Reich to gain a block of votes, but they did not know that they were awakening a sleeping giant.

The first time the Christians seized control of the government (in around 300 C.E.) they brought down the Roman Empire and caused the utter collapse of Western Civilization, ushering in 1,000 years of Dark Ages.

The greedy, warmongering Neocons are just a tiny, ineffectual flash in the pan, on a scale like Cesar or Napoleon. They will last 20 - 50 years at best. In contrast to lightweights like Hitler, Nero, Saddam, and Bush, whose power is exhausted in a decade or two, the horrific rule of the Popes of Rome lasted for over 1,000 years.

I don't worry that much about the Neocons. The Theocons terrify me. Gitmo IS a luxury resort where guests are pampered compared to the Dungeons of the Inquisition.

*****

The Freethought Zone
Science and Reason Over Religion and Superstition

http://freethought.freeservers.com /

Freedom from Religion Foundation
http://www.ffrf.org /

Secular Humanism
http://www.secularhumanism.org /

Secular Web
http://www.infidels.org/index.shtml

Thomas Paine's The Age of Reason - Online
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/thomas_paine/age_of_reason/index.shtml

Complete Works of Robert Ingersoll - Online
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/robert_ingersoll/index.shtml
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 07:38 AM
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17. Napoleon a flash in the pan?
After setting Europe on fire for 20 years? I beg to differ.

Also, the Popes of Rome ruled before electronic communications, and their hands -- though heavy -- were not fully articulated to the puppets they used to impose their will.

If they're going to take over again, they're going to have to do it in entirely different ways.

Also, there's a lot more competition on the block these days. Fundies, Islamicists, etc., etc.

Nah, I'm thinking endless warfare instead.
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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 08:36 AM
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19. Napoleon set Europe on fire for 20 yrs; Popes set PEOPLE on fire for 1,000
Years. Nothing, in human history even remotely compares to the atrocity that is called "Christianity". As Ingersoll reports,

"...cross and rack were inseparable companions. Across the open Bible lay the sword and fagot. Not content with burning such heretics as were alive, they even tried the dead, in order that the church might rob their wives and children. The property of all heretics was confiscated, and on this account they charged the dead with being heretical -- indicted, as it were, their dust -- to the end that the church might clutch the bread of orphans. Learned divines discussed the propriety of tearing out the tongues of heretics before they were burned, and the general opinion was, that this ought to be done so that the heretics should not be able, by uttering blasphemies, to shock the Christians who were burning them. With a mixture of ferocity and Christianity, the priests insisted that heretics ought to be burned at a slow fire, giving as a reason that more time was given them for repentance."

"Give any orthodox church the power, and to-day they would punish heresy with whip, and chain, and fire. As long as a church deems a certain belief essential to salvation, just so long it will kill and burn if it has the power. Why should the church pity a man whom her God hates? Why should she show mercy to a kind and noble heretic whom her God will burn in eternal fire? Why should a Christian be better than his God? It is impossible for the imagination to conceive of a greater atrocity than has been perpetrated by the church. Every nerve in the human body capable of pain has been sought out and touched."

"Let it be remembered that all churches have persecuted heretics to the fullest extent of their power. Toleration has increased only when and where the power of the church has diminished. From Augustine until now the spirit of the Christians has remained the same. There has been the same intolerance, the same undying hatred of all who think for themselves, and the same determination to crush out of the human brain all knowledge inconsistent with an ignorant creed."

Heretics And Heresies
Robert Green Ingersoll
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/robert_ingersoll/heretics_and_hericies.html




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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 01:21 AM
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11. Mittens?!
Isn't he in trouble in Massachusetts? (can't remember why, though)

Eh, sounds like something of a long shot. And didn't he recently and a bit too obviously change his views on some issues (was it pro-choice to pro-life?)

I dunno. Not a name that's come up that much.

And he'd need to lose the televangelist hair.
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 02:31 AM
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14. Mittens? Hardly!
Both you and Mittens seem to forget he's about to lose the 2006 Gov. race.
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