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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:00 AM
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I propose a new law. If a President is impeached or resigns...
I propose a new law. If a President is impeached or resigns, all the political appointments he has made need to be re-confirmed!!!!

And I mean ALL his appointments.

Many of them might be re-confirmed in a five-minute floor vote, of course. For example, The White House Chef and The Ambassador to Lichtenstein.

I think that should be an amendment to the proposed anti-cronyism law.

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TheVirginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:01 AM
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1. I disagree. n/t
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:29 AM
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11. Why? n/t
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TheVirginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:49 AM
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15. Because...
I have too much respect for the office of the Presidency as the Founders created it to revoke so much of its power by enacting this.

In addition to the abuse I listed in my other reply.

Additionally, it sets up all sorts of conflicts of interest... nominees would be judged by the work that they have done in their post. If a Judge passed a ruling that Senators disagreed with, they would not re-vote to confirm him based solely on his actions as a Justice, instead of his qualifications. What if the majority party has switched since the President made his appointments? It would be a complete and disastrous abuse of power, and I think everybody from Constitutional scholars to the voting public would be outraged.
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tompayne1 Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:01 AM
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2. you want cheney to be making appointments?
???
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:05 AM
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6. Cheney is going to jail! He's not going to be
making any appointments. We need to be working on Hastert and his political sins. He's next in line and he is just as bad as the rest of the pukes on the hill.
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:02 AM
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3. I propose that if Pres approval falls below 40% his power
is curtailed.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:08 AM
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7. Too dangerous of a precedent.
We know the polls have been complete bullshit during this fraudministration, and that formerly reliable polling organizations like Gallup are now completely in right wing whore hands.

If your rule was enacted as law, what would happen when the whores decided to manufacture negative numbers for a Democratic President?
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:43 AM
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13. Many Democrats would have been hurt by that.
Also, a bunch of bullshit polls could be produced and you could have anarchy.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 04:59 PM
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17. They stole two elections, they can steal polls all day long if they want.
The system is broken, don't rely upon it.
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:03 AM
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4. I'll settle for the Ambassador to Poland having a heart to heart with
Edited on Thu Sep-29-05 11:04 AM by peekaloo
Oprah. :evilgrin:
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:08 AM
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8. Ahhh, my old mayor.
Victor is actually a pretty liberal Republican. He did a lot for the building and promotion of greenways and other environmental programs in Knoxville.
He's just a fiscal conservative, for the most part.
I liked him as mayor, if you want the truth. He fought for the city against the county, who are a bunch of in-bred rednecks. :evilgrin:
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:18 AM
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9. But were there any whispers about his old college roommate?
of the *wink wink nudge nudge* variety?

Just being catty. ;-)
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:04 AM
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5. Good idea, but not the best time to implement it.
Clinton was impeached, and I'm guessing that creating two more vacancies on the Supreme Court wasn't your intention.

And if you say that you can't go retroactive on the appointments, then we would still be stuck with whoever the chimp has appointed so far. Which includes Roberts, Bolton, and all the other shitbags.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:41 AM
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12. Okay, here is what I was thinking...
Edited on Thu Sep-29-05 11:43 AM by IanDB1
1) If the pResident resigns from office or is forced out by impeachment, then all of his past appointmentsshould be up for review. For example, Rumsfeld, Rice, Roberts, and even Cristeta Comerford-- all of them.

2) Once an impeachment trial is approved, a president should not be allowed to to make any more nominations or appointments until and unless he is found not guilty.

3) Once an impeachment trial is approved, a president should not be allowed to veto any bills, until and unless he is found not guilty.

4) Once an impeachment trial is approved, a president should not be allowed to issue any executive orders or PARDONS! until and unless he is found not guilty.

5) Once an impeachment trial is approved, a president should not be allowed to fire anyone or ask for anyone's resignation without the UNANIMOUS advise and consent of Congress. until and unless he is found not guilty.

I also want a reform of PRESIDENTIAL PARDONS!



I believe that allPresidential Pardons should be subject to "Advise and Consent" by Congress. Okay, I'd make exceptions for posthumous pardons, and pardons that are "entirely symbolic."






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TheVirginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:46 AM
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14. That would be subject to so much abuse.
A majority party would vote to impeach a President just to prevent him from making appointments, vetoes, executive orders, etc. Then they would drag the trial out as long as they could, and then impeach him again the second he's declared not guilty.

You can't shut down the Executive Branch based on the whim of the Legislative Branch. Your idea runs completely contrary to what the Founders set up in the articles of the Constitution.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 04:54 PM
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16. Alright, I see now that I had a very bad idea. Thanks!
I'm wrong 1/12 of the time.

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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:22 AM
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10. brilliant
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