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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 03:41 PM
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Why can't the Democrats capitalize?
Why can't the Democrats capitalize?
With the White House on the ropes after Katrina, Dems waffle and wheeze
By Howard Fineman
MSNBC contributor
Updated: 1:00 p.m. ET Sept. 28, 2005

WASHINGTON - With George W. Bush’s presidency mired in the muck of hurricanes and doubts about the war, you’d think Democrats would be bursting with energy, eagerly expecting to regain power. But, in a roomful of well-connected Democrats the other night, I was struck by how gloomy they were. They can’t stand Bush, but didn’t have much faith in their own party’s prospects.

Why? Well, some of the reasons they articulated are short-term and tactical; some are purely personal; others more philosophical; and I have a few myself:

Supreme divisions
The president’s nomination of John Roberts was a ten strike, knocking apart whatever united front the Dems might have been able to muster on judicial issues. However genial and cerebral he may be, Roberts also is a board-certified conservative, blessed by the James Dobsons of the world.

No one doubted that at least a few Red State Democrats would vote for him, but the defection of Sen. Pat Leahy of Vermont (no less), the ranking Democrat on the Judiciary Committee, was a stunner – and a demoralizing one for the party faithful.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9505859/

If the Dems can't gain seats in Congress in '06, I'm truly moving to Canada.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 03:43 PM
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1. no shift key?
:shrug:
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 03:46 PM
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2. Nice one.
:D
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 03:47 PM
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4. Heh heh, seriously, if someone else is doing all the work for us, why
stick our beak in??? Then we WOULD be "politicizing" the issues. Even with barely a peep, we get accused of it. The time to politicize is when the news cycle slows down--right now, it is all GOP criminals, all the time.

The GOP is finally doing some work, at long last, and on our behalf!! Let them!
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 03:47 PM
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5. Heh! Funny!
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 03:47 PM
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3. DEMOCRATS. There you go!
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 03:48 PM
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6. I dunno. Why can't Republicans spell?
:)
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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 03:49 PM
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7. Um, Howard...we didn't have the votes to do anything about
Roberts...and he was replacing Rehnquist...so nothing was changed.
You might want to mention that the next appointment will tell the tale.

You might also mention that if Bush puts up a Neanderthal who wants to overturn Roe we'll find out if all those Republican women really like back-alley abortions as much as the Fundies seem to think they will.

We have divisions in our party...but try and reconcile some of the divisions that the Republicans have to deal with.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 04:29 PM
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15. But 23 DEMs voted "yes" to Bush & James Dobson...
while 22 DEMs stood with the base and said "NO" to unqualified RW judges.

You are right- nothing was changed- those 23 DEMs decided to ignore & demoralize the grass-roots base and keep the party divided.



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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 05:14 PM
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23. Even if they had all voted against Roberts, nothing would have
changed. Roberts would still have been confirmed.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 05:19 PM
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24. No, you and me both would be standing on our chairs and cheering for DEMs
Edited on Thu Sep-29-05 05:19 PM by Dr Fate
Instead of arguing with each other like always.

Your charge that a unified DEM front would not change anything is false.

Under your logic, they may have just as well have voted "no" and at least unified and motivated the base.

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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 05:36 PM
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25. Maybe it would have motivated the base and maybe not.
Edited on Thu Sep-29-05 05:39 PM by joemurphy
Democrats aren't like Republicans -- always voting in lockstep with one another. They think. They're independent. They're often divided.

I think our representatives reflect our base. Which thinks, is independent, and often divided too.

I don't want us to be like Republicans.

I don't like Roberts either. But the nominee could have been a lot
worse.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 05:41 PM
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26. Probably why we lost the last 3 election cycles.
Voting against a Pat Robertson approved Judge would not make us like Republicans, it would make us like Democrats.

Who in the Democratic base thinks Roberts reflects our values? That is a bit of a stretch.

Logic games & excuses is all I see today from the pro-Roberts DEMs on this board.


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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 06:23 PM
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28. Well, maybe...but going centrist might have won us
Edited on Thu Sep-29-05 06:25 PM by joemurphy
two terms under Clinton. And some say we won two out of the last three cycles -- we'll never know.

So those that voted against Roberts aren't Democrats? They're stealth Republicans?

Nobody thinks Roberts reflects our values. But some of the Democrats
thought he would pass muster as a Supreme Court judge because by all accounts he is a brilliant jurist and a fair man whose judicial record has been to follow the law as he sees it. Whether or not he possessed Democratic values wasn't the litmus test used by those that voted in favor of Roberts. I'm not sure that is the proper litmus test.

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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 06:27 PM
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29. Who are you, Wolf Freaking Blitzer now?
Edited on Thu Sep-29-05 06:27 PM by Dr Fate
"...by all accounts he is a brilliant jurist and a fair man whose judicial record has been to follow the law as he sees it."

By WHOSE accounts? Bush? The Heritage Foundation? Wolf Blitzer? The Dems who voted with Rick Santorum?

I dont think he is "brilliant" and "fair" at all- I think he is a liar and a RW lackey.

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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 06:31 PM
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31. The American Bar Association for one.
And who are you? A lawyer? How would you know? Is everyone to the right of you a traitor?

You're entitled to your opinion, of course. But he's in. And he could have been a lot worse.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 06:37 PM
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32. Well why don't you write Roberts a congratulatory letter of approval...
Edited on Thu Sep-29-05 06:43 PM by Dr Fate
...and one to all the DEMs who ignored us in favor of Jerry Fawell.

I never said they are "traitors"- at the least I said they are misguided for ignoring the base and following the old, failed, "lets go along with Bush" strategy. The same strategy & thinking that got us into Iraq, BTW.

And I have not finished law School or taken the Bar yet- but you don't need Law School to see that Roberts is hiding his records, lying and not being frank about all of his views.

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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 06:51 PM
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35. Was his testimony any different than Ginsberg's?
Edited on Thu Sep-29-05 07:04 PM by joemurphy
And no, I won't write a congratulatory letter to Roberts, thank you.
I told you I'm not happy about the fact that he got in.

You have a way of branding people that disagree with you as disloyal. I'm "Wolf Blitzer", for example, and "I should write Roberts a congratulatory letter." But no...you don't mean to imply that I'm a "traitor". Just misguided for following the old "go along with Bush" strategy. I haven't called you any names. Why do you have to start that with me?

I am a lawyer by the way. I've been one for 26 years. Have you had Con Law yet? Are you familiar with Felix Frankfurter or Hugo Black?
They were conservatives. But they were also pre-eminent jurists. Great legal minds. I guess you'd have voted against them. After all, it would have "energized the base".

And what about Earl Warren and David Suitor? Weren't they supposed to be Neanderthals too when they were nominated? They didn't turn out that way did they? Do you read tea leaves too, among your many talents?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 07:00 PM
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38. Different time, different, unpopular, corrupt, back-stabbing President.
Edited on Thu Sep-29-05 07:14 PM by Dr Fate
Point taken about comparing you to Wolf Blitzer- but you practically quoted him, Chris Matthews and a slew of others with what looked like apparent praise of Roberts.

Sorry for anything that smacks of a personal insult- you are right to say that gets us nowhere.

I'm not sure Ginsberg hid any of her records- did she?

We just disagree- I think the DEMs should have opposed the most corrupt, dishonest and incompetent President in our history, you think it may all work out. I hope you are right.

Hey- shouldn't you be working and shouldn't I be studying or writing my mock Appellate Brief? ;)
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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 07:17 PM
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41. Probably :-)
No, Ginsberg didn't hide her records. I meant she didn't answer a lot of questions either. You're right about the White House keeping back some of Roberts' records though.

Good luck on your brief.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 07:20 PM
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42. Thanks- time for me to stop butting heads with you on these threads...
Fun though.

I need to stop wasting so much time at DU- I'll bet you can relate.

See ya next time!!!

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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 03:54 PM
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8. Fineman's observations are too premature..........
If Democrats don't make a signaficant showing in '06, then he can bitch and whine all he wants.

I don't know one person from Key West, Florida to Barrow, Alaska that plans to vote for a ReTHUG next year.

The stench from the Republican party is just too foul for anyone to take. They are burying themselves in controversy.

Give it time Howie. http://eliteleague.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/lol!.gif Chill.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 04:15 PM
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13. What makes you think there will even be any elections?
These criminals know they face long prison terms if they get ousted from power.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 04:49 PM
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18. How Can Dems Possibly Make "A Significant Showing" in '06?

Fixing the votes around the Party
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newswolf56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 04:06 PM
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9. I believe the Democratic Party's silence is merely another reflection...
of the dismal extent to which the party has been captured by the oligarchy -- the same super-wealthy, super-powerful forces that have owned the Republican Party since day one. To effectively oppose the Republicans, the Democrats must do three things: (1)-acknowledge that the oligarchy is waging the kind of infinitely vicious, ultimately unlimited class warfare not seen since the Robber Baron period of the 19th Century; (2)-repeatedly point out the fact that Republicans are the enemies of all of us who are not part of the oligarchy -- that is, any of us who have to work for a living, anyone who is limited-income elderly (as I am), or disabled, or otherwise chronically poor; (3)-call for renewal of the New Deal and, in the more general sense, governance based on the New Deal principle of government as protector of the people against the savage greed of the oligarchy.

Once the Democratic Party is willing to take these three steps, it will be able to articulate the hurt and anger in America's heart -- and thus win as it did with FDR. But to date only one Democratic leader -- John Edwards -- has demonstrated anything even approaching the necessary boldness. And he has not gone nearly far enough.
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 04:11 PM
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11. I'd say Maurice Hinchey, Barbara Boxer and Nancy Pelosi
have been bold, but they are few and far between. Kerry's been a real disappointment.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 04:51 PM
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19. the media refusing to report his work disappoints me

Senator John Kerry's Speech at Brown University
Remarks As Prepared for Delivery

Providence, RI - I want to thank you for what the Brown community has done to help and comfort the many victims of Hurricane Katrina. This horrifying disaster has shown Americans at their best -- and their government at its worst.

And that's what I've come to talk with you about today. The incompetence of Katrina's response is not reserved to a hurricane. There's an enormous gap between Americans' daily expectations and government's daily performance. And the gap is growing between the enduring strength of the American people -- their values, their spirit, their imagination, their ingenuity, and their willingness to serve and sacrifice -- and the shocking weakness of the American government in contending with our country's urgent challenges. On the Gulf Coast during the last two weeks, the depth and breadth of that gap has been exposed for all to see and we have to address it now before it is obscured again by hurricane force spin and deception.

Katrina stripped away any image of competence and exposed to all the true heart and nature of this administration. The truth is that for four and a half years, real life choices have been replaced by ideological agenda, substance replaced by spin, governance second place always to politics. Yes, they can run a good campaign -- I can attest to that -- but America needs more than a campaign. If 12 year-old Boy Scouts can be prepared, Americans have a right to expect the same from their 59 year-old President of the United States.

Katrina reminds us that too often the political contests of our time have been described like football games with color commentary: one team of consultants against another, red states against blue states, Democratic money against Republican money; a contest of height versus hair - sometimes. But the truth is democracy is not a game; we are living precious time each day in a different America than the one we can inhabit if we make different choices.

Today, more than ever, when the path taken last year and four years earlier takes us into a wilderness of missed opportunities -- we need to keep defining the critical choices over and over, offering a direction not taken but still open in the future.

I know the President went on national television last week and accepted responsibility for Washington's poor response to Katrina. That's admirable. And it's a first. As they say, the first step towards recovery is to get out of denial. But don't hold your breath hoping acceptance of responsibility will become a habit for this administration. On the other hand, if they are up to another "accountability moment" they ought to start by admitting one or two of the countless mistakes in conceiving, "selling", planning and executing their war of choice in Iraq.

I obviously don't expect that to happen. And indeed, there's every reason to believe the President finally acted on Katrina and admitted a mistake only because he was held accountable by the press, cornered by events, and compelled by the outrage of the American people, who with their own eyes could see a failure of leadership and its consequences.

Natural and human calamity stripped away the spin machine, creating a rare accountability moment, not just for the Bush administration, but for all of us to take stock of the direction of our country and do what we can to reverse it. That's our job -- to turn this moment from a frenzied expression of guilt into a national reversal of direction. Some try to minimize the moment by labeling it a "blame game" -- but as I’ve said - this is no game and what is at stake is much larger than the incompetent and negligent response to Katrina.

This is about the broader pattern of incompetence and negligence that Katrina exposed, and beyond that, a truly systemic effort to distort and disable the people's government, and devote it to the interests of the privileged and the powerful. It is about the betrayal of trust and abuse of power. And in all the often horrible and sometimes ennobling sights and sounds we've all witnessed over the last two weeks, there's another sound just under the surface: the steady clucking of Administration chickens coming home to roost.

We wouldn't be hearing that sound if the people in Washington running our government had cared to listen in the past.

They didn't listen to the Army Corps of Engineers when they insisted the levees be reinforced.

They didn't listen to the countless experts who warned this exact disaster scenario would happen.

They didn't listen to years of urgent pleading by Louisianans about the consequences of wetlands erosion in the region, which exposed New Orleans and surrounding parishes to ever-greater wind damage and flooding in a hurricane.

They didn't listen when a disaster simulation just last year showed that hundreds of thousands of people would be trapped and have no way to evacuate New Orleans.

They didn't listen to those of us who have long argued that our insane dependence on oil as our principal energy source, and our refusal to invest in more efficient engines, left us one big supply disruption away from skyrocketing gas prices that would ravage family pocketbooks, stall our economy, bankrupt airlines, and leave us even more dependent on foreign countries with deep pockets of petroleum.

They didn't listen when Katrina approached the Gulf and every newspaper in America warned this could be "The Big One" that Louisianans had long dreaded. They didn't even abandon their vacations.

And the rush now to camouflage their misjudgments and inaction with money doesn’t mean they are suddenly listening. It's still politics as usual. The plan they’re designing for the Gulf Coast turns the region into a vast laboratory for right wing ideological experiments. They’re already talking about private school vouchers, abandonment of environmental regulations, abolition of wage standards, subsidies for big industries - and believe it or not yet another big round of tax cuts for the wealthiest among us!

The administration is recycling all their failed policies and shipping them to Louisiana. After four years of ideological excess, these Washington Republicans have a bad hangover -- and they can't think of anything to offer the Gulf Coast but the hair of the dog that bit them.

And amazingly -- or perhaps not given who we’re dealing with -- this massive reconstruction project will be overseen not by a team of experienced city planners or developers, but according to the New York Times, by the Chief of Politics in the White House and Republican Party, none other than Karl Rove -- barring of course that he is indicted for "outing" an undercover CIA intelligence officer.

Katrina is a symbol of all this administration does and doesn't do. Michael Brown -- or Brownie as the President so famously thanked him for doing a heck of a job - Brownie is to Katrina what Paul Bremer is to peace in Iraq; what George Tenet is to slam dunk intelligence; what Paul Wolfowitz is to parades paved with flowers in Baghdad; what Dick Cheney is to visionary energy policy; what Donald Rumsfeld is to basic war planning; what Tom Delay is to ethics; and what George Bush is to “Mission Accomplished” and "Wanted Dead or Alive." The bottom line is simple: The "we'll do whatever it takes" administration doesn't have what it takes to get the job done.

This is the Katrina administration.

It has consistently squandered time, tax dollars, political capital, and even risked American lives on sideshow adventures: A war of choice in Iraq against someone who had nothing to do with 9/11; a full scale presidential assault on Social Security when everyone knows the real crisis is in health care - Medicare and Medicaid. And that's before you get to willful denial on global warming; avoidance on competitiveness; complicity in the loss and refusal of health care to millions.

Americans can and will help compensate for government's incompetence with millions of acts of individual enterprise and charity, as Katrina has shown. But that’s not enough. We must ask tough questions: Will this generosity and compassion last in the absence of strong leadership? Will this Administration only ask for sacrifice in a time of crisis? Has dishonesty in politics degraded our national character to the point that we feel our dues have been paid as citizens with a one-time donation to the Red Cross?

Today, let’s you and I acknowledge what’s really going on in this country. The truth is that this week, as a result of Katrina, many children languishing in shelters are getting vaccinations for the first time. Thousands of adults are seeing a doctor after going without a check-up for years. Illnesses lingering long before Katrina will be treated by a healthcare system that just weeks ago was indifferent, and will soon be indifferent again.

For the rest of the year this nation silently tolerates the injustice of 11 million children and over 30 million adults in desperate need of healthcare. We tolerate a chasm of race and class some would rather pretend does not exist. And ironically, right in the middle of this crisis the Administration quietly admitted that since they took office, six million of our fellow citizens have fallen into poverty. That’s over ten times the evacuated population of New Orleans. Their plight is no less tragic - no less worthy of our compassion and attention. We must demand something simple and humane: healthcare for all those in need - in all years at all times.

This is the real test of Katrina. Will we be satisfied to only do the immediate: care for the victims and rebuild the city? Or will we be inspired to tackle the incompetence that left us so unprepared, and the societal injustice that left so many of the least fortunate waiting and praying on those rooftops?

That’s the unmet challenge we have to face together. Katrina is the background of a new picture we must paint of America. For five years our nation's leaders have painted a picture of America where ignoring the poor has no consequences; no nations are catching up to us; and no pensions are destroyed. Every criticism is rendered unpatriotic. And if you say “War on Terror” enough times, Katrina never happens.

Well, Katrina did happen, and it washed away that coat of paint and revealed the true canvas of America with all its imperfections. Now, we must stop this Administration from again whitewashing the true state of our challenges. We have to paint our own picture - an honest picture with all the optimism we deserve - one that gives people a vision where no one is excluded or ignored. Where leaders are honest about the challenges we face as a nation, and never reserve compassion only for disasters.

Rarely has there been a moment more urgent for Americans to step up and define ourselves again. On the line is a fundamental choice. A choice between a view that says “you’re on your own,” “go it alone,” or “every man for himself.” Or a different view - a different philosophy - a different conviction of governance - a belief that says our great American challenge is one of shared endeavor and shared sacrifice.

Over the next weeks I will address some of these choices in detail - choices about national security, the war in Iraq, making our nation more competitive and committing to energy independence. But it boils down to this. I still believe America’s destiny is to become a living testament to what free human beings can accomplish by acting in unity. That’s easy to dismiss by those who seem to have forgotten we can do more together than just waging war.

But for those who still believe in the great tradition of Americans doing great things together, it’s time we started acting like it. We can never compete with the go-it- alone crowd in appeals to selfishness. We can’t afford to be pale imitations of the other side in playing the ‘what’s in it for me’ game. Instead, it’s time we put our appeals where our hearts are - asking the American people to make our country as strong, prosperous, and big-hearted as we know we can be - every day. It’s time we framed every question - every issue -- not in terms of what’s in it for ‘me,’ but what’s in it for all of us?

And when you ask that simple question - what’s in it for all of us? - the direction not taken in America could not be more clear or compelling.

Instead of allowing a few oil companies to drill their way to windfall profits, it means an America that understands we can’t drill our way to energy independence, we have to invent our way there together.

Instead of making a mockery of the words No Child Left Behind when China and India are graduating tens of thousands more engineers and PhDs than we are, it means an America where college education is affordable and accessible for every child willing to work for it.

Instead of tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, it means an America that makes smart investments in your future like funding the science and research and development that will assure American technological leadership.

Instead of allowing lobbyists to rewrite our environmental laws, it means an America where lakes and rivers and streams are clean enough that when a family takes the kids fishing, it’s actually safe to eat the fish they catch.

Instead of letting a few ideologues get in the way of progress that can make us a stronger and healthier society, it means an America where the biology students here today will do the groundbreaking stem cell research tomorrow.

And instead of stubbornly disregarding intelligence, using force prematurely and shoving our allies aside, it means an America that restores its leadership in the world. An America that meets its responsibility of creating a world where the plagues of our time and future times - from terror to disease to poverty to weapons of mass destruction to the unknown - are overcome by allies united in common cause, and proud to follow American leadership.

That is the direction not taken but still open to us in the future if we answer that simple question - ‘what’s in it for all of us?’ It comes down to the fact that the job of government is to prepare for your future - not ignore it. It should prepare to solve problems - not create them.

This Administration and the Republicans who control Congress give in to special interests and rob future generations. Real leadership stands up to special interests and sets the course for future generations. And the fact is we do face serious challenges as a nation, and if we don’t address them now, we handicap your future. My generation risks failing its obligation of assuring you inherit a safer, stronger America. To turn this around, the greatest challenges must be the starting point. I hope Katrina gives us the courage to face them and the sense of urgency to beat them.

That’s why the next few months are such a critical time. You’ll read about the Katrina investigations and fact-finding missions. You’ll get constant updates on the progress rebuilding New Orleans and new funding for FEMA. Washington becomes a very efficient town once voters start paying attention.

But we can’t let political maneuvering around the current crisis distract people from the gathering, hidden crises - like energy, environment, poverty, healthcare and innovation - that present the greatest threats to our nation’s competitiveness and character. The effort to rebuild New Orleans cannot obscure the need to also rebuild our country.

So realistically, I’m sure you’re wondering: How do I change all this? What can I do? The answer is simple: you have to make your issues the voting issues of this nation. You’re not the first generation to face this challenge.

I remember when you couldn’t even mention environmental issues without a snicker. But then in the 70’s people got tired of seeing the Cuyahoga River catch on fire from all the chemicals. So one day millions of Americans marched. Politicians had no choice but to take notice. Twelve Congressmen were dubbed the Dirty Dozen, and soon after seven were kicked out of office. The floodgates were opened. We got the Clean Air Act, The Clean Water Act and Safe Drinking Water. We created the EPA. The quality of life improved because concerned citizens made their issues matter in elections.

You are citizens in the greatest democracy in the world. Moments like Katrina are so difficult - so painful - but they help you define your service to your fellow citizens. I’ll never forget as a teenager standing in a field in October of 1957 watching the first man made spacecraft streak across the night sky. The conquest, of course, was Soviet - and while not everyone got to see the unmanned craft pass overhead at 18,000 miles per hour that night - before long every American knew the name Sputnik. We knew we had been caught unprepared.

In the uncertain years thereafter, President Kennedy challenged Americans to act on that instinct. He said, "This is a great country, but I think it could be a greater country...the question we have to decide as Americans," he said, is "are we doing enough today?"

Today, every American knows the name Katrina -- and once again we know our government was undeniably unprepared, even as Americans have shown their willingness to sacrifice to make up for it.

But in these uncertain weeks of Katrina's aftermath, we must ask ourselves not just whether a great country can be made greater -- the sacrifice and generosity of Americans these last weeks answered that question with a resounding yes.

No, our challenge is greater - it’s to speak out so loudly that Washington has no choice but to make choices worthy of this great country - choices worthy of the sacrifice of our neighbors in the Gulf Coast and our troops all around the world.

What's in it for all of us? Nothing less than the character of our country - and your future.



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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 04:07 PM
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10. Question would be better framed as
"Why WON"T the Democrats capitalize?".
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 04:12 PM
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12. Great point! You'd think the Dems were being blackmailed.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 10:09 PM
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45. They are...
The most effective blackmail of all -- they belong to the same privileged class as the repukes with the same congruence of interest.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 04:21 PM
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14. Alas, Howie is right on this one
This should be a season of balls out, slam bang ripsnorting partisan battles galore.

The champ is starting to weave, and his glass jaw is sticking out just waiting.

And yet....
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 04:30 PM
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16. I've read quite a number of blistering critiques from some Dems, but
Edited on Thu Sep-29-05 04:30 PM by blm
the broadcast media won't even report them let alone repeat them.
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 04:56 PM
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20. Where have you read these blistering critiques? I'd like to see.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 07:12 PM
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40. Here's one from last week - only a few reported it while RW media attacked
Kerry for speaking out. The problem is the left leaning media will never show the discipline of message for the Dems that the RW media does for the GOP.

But, I doubt anyone from the left leaning or objective media would dare point a finger of blame at themselves for allowing the RW media to gain ALL the traction while they're left sputtering in the dust and blaming Dem lawmakers.

Senator John Kerry's Speech at Brown University
Remarks As Prepared for Delivery

Providence, RI - I want to thank you for what the Brown community has done to help and comfort the many victims of Hurricane Katrina. This horrifying disaster has shown Americans at their best -- and their government at its worst.

And that's what I've come to talk with you about today. The incompetence of Katrina's response is not reserved to a hurricane. There's an enormous gap between Americans' daily expectations and government's daily performance. And the gap is growing between the enduring strength of the American people -- their values, their spirit, their imagination, their ingenuity, and their willingness to serve and sacrifice -- and the shocking weakness of the American government in contending with our country's urgent challenges. On the Gulf Coast during the last two weeks, the depth and breadth of that gap has been exposed for all to see and we have to address it now before it is obscured again by hurricane force spin and deception.

Katrina stripped away any image of competence and exposed to all the true heart and nature of this administration. The truth is that for four and a half years, real life choices have been replaced by ideological agenda, substance replaced by spin, governance second place always to politics. Yes, they can run a good campaign -- I can attest to that -- but America needs more than a campaign. If 12 year-old Boy Scouts can be prepared, Americans have a right to expect the same from their 59 year-old President of the United States.

Katrina reminds us that too often the political contests of our time have been described like football games with color commentary: one team of consultants against another, red states against blue states, Democratic money against Republican money; a contest of height versus hair - sometimes. But the truth is democracy is not a game; we are living precious time each day in a different America than the one we can inhabit if we make different choices.

Today, more than ever, when the path taken last year and four years earlier takes us into a wilderness of missed opportunities -- we need to keep defining the critical choices over and over, offering a direction not taken but still open in the future.

I know the President went on national television last week and accepted responsibility for Washington's poor response to Katrina. That's admirable. And it's a first. As they say, the first step towards recovery is to get out of denial. But don't hold your breath hoping acceptance of responsibility will become a habit for this administration. On the other hand, if they are up to another "accountability moment" they ought to start by admitting one or two of the countless mistakes in conceiving, "selling", planning and executing their war of choice in Iraq.

I obviously don't expect that to happen. And indeed, there's every reason to believe the President finally acted on Katrina and admitted a mistake only because he was held accountable by the press, cornered by events, and compelled by the outrage of the American people, who with their own eyes could see a failure of leadership and its consequences.

Natural and human calamity stripped away the spin machine, creating a rare accountability moment, not just for the Bush administration, but for all of us to take stock of the direction of our country and do what we can to reverse it. That's our job -- to turn this moment from a frenzied expression of guilt into a national reversal of direction. Some try to minimize the moment by labeling it a "blame game" -- but as I’ve said - this is no game and what is at stake is much larger than the incompetent and negligent response to Katrina.

This is about the broader pattern of incompetence and negligence that Katrina exposed, and beyond that, a truly systemic effort to distort and disable the people's government, and devote it to the interests of the privileged and the powerful. It is about the betrayal of trust and abuse of power. And in all the often horrible and sometimes ennobling sights and sounds we've all witnessed over the last two weeks, there's another sound just under the surface: the steady clucking of Administration chickens coming home to roost.

We wouldn't be hearing that sound if the people in Washington running our government had cared to listen in the past.

They didn't listen to the Army Corps of Engineers when they insisted the levees be reinforced.

They didn't listen to the countless experts who warned this exact disaster scenario would happen.

They didn't listen to years of urgent pleading by Louisianans about the consequences of wetlands erosion in the region, which exposed New Orleans and surrounding parishes to ever-greater wind damage and flooding in a hurricane.

They didn't listen when a disaster simulation just last year showed that hundreds of thousands of people would be trapped and have no way to evacuate New Orleans.

They didn't listen to those of us who have long argued that our insane dependence on oil as our principal energy source, and our refusal to invest in more efficient engines, left us one big supply disruption away from skyrocketing gas prices that would ravage family pocketbooks, stall our economy, bankrupt airlines, and leave us even more dependent on foreign countries with deep pockets of petroleum.

They didn't listen when Katrina approached the Gulf and every newspaper in America warned this could be "The Big One" that Louisianans had long dreaded. They didn't even abandon their vacations.

And the rush now to camouflage their misjudgments and inaction with money doesn’t mean they are suddenly listening. It's still politics as usual. The plan they’re designing for the Gulf Coast turns the region into a vast laboratory for right wing ideological experiments. They’re already talking about private school vouchers, abandonment of environmental regulations, abolition of wage standards, subsidies for big industries - and believe it or not yet another big round of tax cuts for the wealthiest among us!

The administration is recycling all their failed policies and shipping them to Louisiana. After four years of ideological excess, these Washington Republicans have a bad hangover -- and they can't think of anything to offer the Gulf Coast but the hair of the dog that bit them.

And amazingly -- or perhaps not given who we’re dealing with -- this massive reconstruction project will be overseen not by a team of experienced city planners or developers, but according to the New York Times, by the Chief of Politics in the White House and Republican Party, none other than Karl Rove -- barring of course that he is indicted for "outing" an undercover CIA intelligence officer.

Katrina is a symbol of all this administration does and doesn't do. Michael Brown -- or Brownie as the President so famously thanked him for doing a heck of a job - Brownie is to Katrina what Paul Bremer is to peace in Iraq; what George Tenet is to slam dunk intelligence; what Paul Wolfowitz is to parades paved with flowers in Baghdad; what Dick Cheney is to visionary energy policy; what Donald Rumsfeld is to basic war planning; what Tom Delay is to ethics; and what George Bush is to “Mission Accomplished” and "Wanted Dead or Alive." The bottom line is simple: The "we'll do whatever it takes" administration doesn't have what it takes to get the job done.

This is the Katrina administration.

It has consistently squandered time, tax dollars, political capital, and even risked American lives on sideshow adventures: A war of choice in Iraq against someone who had nothing to do with 9/11; a full scale presidential assault on Social Security when everyone knows the real crisis is in health care - Medicare and Medicaid. And that's before you get to willful denial on global warming; avoidance on competitiveness; complicity in the loss and refusal of health care to millions.

Americans can and will help compensate for government's incompetence with millions of acts of individual enterprise and charity, as Katrina has shown. But that’s not enough. We must ask tough questions: Will this generosity and compassion last in the absence of strong leadership? Will this Administration only ask for sacrifice in a time of crisis? Has dishonesty in politics degraded our national character to the point that we feel our dues have been paid as citizens with a one-time donation to the Red Cross?

Today, let’s you and I acknowledge what’s really going on in this country. The truth is that this week, as a result of Katrina, many children languishing in shelters are getting vaccinations for the first time. Thousands of adults are seeing a doctor after going without a check-up for years. Illnesses lingering long before Katrina will be treated by a healthcare system that just weeks ago was indifferent, and will soon be indifferent again.

For the rest of the year this nation silently tolerates the injustice of 11 million children and over 30 million adults in desperate need of healthcare. We tolerate a chasm of race and class some would rather pretend does not exist. And ironically, right in the middle of this crisis the Administration quietly admitted that since they took office, six million of our fellow citizens have fallen into poverty. That’s over ten times the evacuated population of New Orleans. Their plight is no less tragic - no less worthy of our compassion and attention. We must demand something simple and humane: healthcare for all those in need - in all years at all times.

This is the real test of Katrina. Will we be satisfied to only do the immediate: care for the victims and rebuild the city? Or will we be inspired to tackle the incompetence that left us so unprepared, and the societal injustice that left so many of the least fortunate waiting and praying on those rooftops?

That’s the unmet challenge we have to face together. Katrina is the background of a new picture we must paint of America. For five years our nation's leaders have painted a picture of America where ignoring the poor has no consequences; no nations are catching up to us; and no pensions are destroyed. Every criticism is rendered unpatriotic. And if you say “War on Terror” enough times, Katrina never happens.

Well, Katrina did happen, and it washed away that coat of paint and revealed the true canvas of America with all its imperfections. Now, we must stop this Administration from again whitewashing the true state of our challenges. We have to paint our own picture - an honest picture with all the optimism we deserve - one that gives people a vision where no one is excluded or ignored. Where leaders are honest about the challenges we face as a nation, and never reserve compassion only for disasters.

Rarely has there been a moment more urgent for Americans to step up and define ourselves again. On the line is a fundamental choice. A choice between a view that says “you’re on your own,” “go it alone,” or “every man for himself.” Or a different view - a different philosophy - a different conviction of governance - a belief that says our great American challenge is one of shared endeavor and shared sacrifice.

Over the next weeks I will address some of these choices in detail - choices about national security, the war in Iraq, making our nation more competitive and committing to energy independence. But it boils down to this. I still believe America’s destiny is to become a living testament to what free human beings can accomplish by acting in unity. That’s easy to dismiss by those who seem to have forgotten we can do more together than just waging war.

But for those who still believe in the great tradition of Americans doing great things together, it’s time we started acting like it. We can never compete with the go-it- alone crowd in appeals to selfishness. We can’t afford to be pale imitations of the other side in playing the ‘what’s in it for me’ game. Instead, it’s time we put our appeals where our hearts are - asking the American people to make our country as strong, prosperous, and big-hearted as we know we can be - every day. It’s time we framed every question - every issue -- not in terms of what’s in it for ‘me,’ but what’s in it for all of us?

And when you ask that simple question - what’s in it for all of us? - the direction not taken in America could not be more clear or compelling.

Instead of allowing a few oil companies to drill their way to windfall profits, it means an America that understands we can’t drill our way to energy independence, we have to invent our way there together.

Instead of making a mockery of the words No Child Left Behind when China and India are graduating tens of thousands more engineers and PhDs than we are, it means an America where college education is affordable and accessible for every child willing to work for it.

Instead of tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, it means an America that makes smart investments in your future like funding the science and research and development that will assure American technological leadership.

Instead of allowing lobbyists to rewrite our environmental laws, it means an America where lakes and rivers and streams are clean enough that when a family takes the kids fishing, it’s actually safe to eat the fish they catch.

Instead of letting a few ideologues get in the way of progress that can make us a stronger and healthier society, it means an America where the biology students here today will do the groundbreaking stem cell research tomorrow.

And instead of stubbornly disregarding intelligence, using force prematurely and shoving our allies aside, it means an America that restores its leadership in the world. An America that meets its responsibility of creating a world where the plagues of our time and future times - from terror to disease to poverty to weapons of mass destruction to the unknown - are overcome by allies united in common cause, and proud to follow American leadership.

That is the direction not taken but still open to us in the future if we answer that simple question - ‘what’s in it for all of us?’ It comes down to the fact that the job of government is to prepare for your future - not ignore it. It should prepare to solve problems - not create them.

This Administration and the Republicans who control Congress give in to special interests and rob future generations. Real leadership stands up to special interests and sets the course for future generations. And the fact is we do face serious challenges as a nation, and if we don’t address them now, we handicap your future. My generation risks failing its obligation of assuring you inherit a safer, stronger America. To turn this around, the greatest challenges must be the starting point. I hope Katrina gives us the courage to face them and the sense of urgency to beat them.

That’s why the next few months are such a critical time. You’ll read about the Katrina investigations and fact-finding missions. You’ll get constant updates on the progress rebuilding New Orleans and new funding for FEMA. Washington becomes a very efficient town once voters start paying attention.

But we can’t let political maneuvering around the current crisis distract people from the gathering, hidden crises - like energy, environment, poverty, healthcare and innovation - that present the greatest threats to our nation’s competitiveness and character. The effort to rebuild New Orleans cannot obscure the need to also rebuild our country.

So realistically, I’m sure you’re wondering: How do I change all this? What can I do? The answer is simple: you have to make your issues the voting issues of this nation. You’re not the first generation to face this challenge.

I remember when you couldn’t even mention environmental issues without a snicker. But then in the 70’s people got tired of seeing the Cuyahoga River catch on fire from all the chemicals. So one day millions of Americans marched. Politicians had no choice but to take notice. Twelve Congressmen were dubbed the Dirty Dozen, and soon after seven were kicked out of office. The floodgates were opened. We got the Clean Air Act, The Clean Water Act and Safe Drinking Water. We created the EPA. The quality of life improved because concerned citizens made their issues matter in elections.

You are citizens in the greatest democracy in the world. Moments like Katrina are so difficult - so painful - but they help you define your service to your fellow citizens. I’ll never forget as a teenager standing in a field in October of 1957 watching the first man made spacecraft streak across the night sky. The conquest, of course, was Soviet - and while not everyone got to see the unmanned craft pass overhead at 18,000 miles per hour that night - before long every American knew the name Sputnik. We knew we had been caught unprepared.

In the uncertain years thereafter, President Kennedy challenged Americans to act on that instinct. He said, "This is a great country, but I think it could be a greater country...the question we have to decide as Americans," he said, is "are we doing enough today?"

Today, every American knows the name Katrina -- and once again we know our government was undeniably unprepared, even as Americans have shown their willingness to sacrifice to make up for it.

But in these uncertain weeks of Katrina's aftermath, we must ask ourselves not just whether a great country can be made greater -- the sacrifice and generosity of Americans these last weeks answered that question with a resounding yes.

No, our challenge is greater - it’s to speak out so loudly that Washington has no choice but to make choices worthy of this great country - choices worthy of the sacrifice of our neighbors in the Gulf Coast and our troops all around the world.

What's in it for all of us? Nothing less than the character of our country - and your future.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 05:05 PM
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22. They can get on if they want to
They could easily push for bookings on the talk shows.

But, alas, it's usually only the folks like Biden who get on and sorta kinda criticize the GOP just a little bit. (A few rare exceptions like Charlie Rangel.)

IMO, truly progressive Dems should work harder to get on the tube more, and those like Biden should be more oppositional when they're on.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 06:49 PM
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33. Who is denying interviews to Kerry, Dean, Hillary, Edwards, Etc?
???
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:19 AM
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48. I think it more the action of just ignoring them and writing
negatively about them.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 08:06 AM
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55. That's a good point
In their news reporting the media definetly gives short shrifty to Democrats. When a Democratic politician does issue a critique, it is eitehr ignored or trivialized as partisan games.

But the Democrats can be more pro active about that. For example, wityh his speech above, Kerry should have contacted all of the news networks and mader himself available for interviews to push more coverage.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 11:15 AM
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57. But my point is they have platforms available to counter it.
Edited on Fri Sep-30-05 11:15 AM by Dr Fate
In fact, my own lying eyes have seen Dean, Edwards, the Clinton Family and Obama give several full interviews on major TV over the past few weeks- no one cut their mics or anything.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:17 AM
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47. you'r e exactly right! n/t
Edited on Fri Sep-30-05 12:18 AM by wisteria
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 04:47 PM
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17. Because Plamegate Fizzled and KKKarl Once Again Rules The Media

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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 05:03 PM
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21. I wonder if it truly is can't or maybe the correct word is won't.
:shrug: But no matter which word is the correct one, the reality is they aren't.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 06:51 PM
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34. "Shoeless Joe Jackson" Dems?
I'm beginning to wonder if some have decided to sell out to corporate lobbyists in exchange for money and safe races in their next election.

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Admiral Loinpresser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 06:06 PM
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27. This is typical MSM bullshit, IMO.
More of the insipid on-the-one-hand/on-the-other-hand formula. MSM has been (relatively speaking) very hard on Bush in the wake of Katrina, so this is MSM counterweight on a favorite theme: Dems are feckless and spineless.

If he's talking about the DNC fundraiser on Monday night, I am extremely dubious of his description of the mood. He's just saying that as a literary device for his theme. Our prospects are excellent, certainly for 2006 given the trend toward liberalism this year. And 2008 should be a good year if history is a predictor. As Franken says, he's pulling it out of his butt.

As to the Roberts vote, Fineman knows full well the possibility of fireworks for the proposed replacement of O'Connor. I would rather not have Roberts, but politics is the art of the possible. We can filibuster the next one. To do so on Roberts would have undermined resistance for the next and could have hurt us in 2006.

It's fair to say there is dissatisfaction with the lack of resistance on Roberts. You'll see plenty of that on this website. But to jump from that to this next paragraph is ludicrous:

Lack of star power
These things go in cycles, I guess, and it’s hard to be glamorous when you are in the minority in both houses of Congress. That said, it’s incontestably true that the Democrats simply aren’t blessed with much charisma in the leadership ranks — unless you consider Angelina Jolie a Democrat.


Incontestably true? Unbelievable.

First as to credentials. We have three who have stood for national office: Gore, Kerry and Edwards. Nothing like that has happened in my lifetime, maybe in the history of the party.

Next as to charisma, give me a break. Activist energy remains high (MoveOn, etc.) and that innures to the charisma factor of potential candidates like Gore, Clark and Edwards. Gore actually has SRO crowds demand that he repeat his speech so the people outside can come in and hear the redux. Dean rocks the hall to this day.

It's not just anti-Bush sentiment, either. Post-Katrina, the number of people seeing Gore as an historic visionary on climate change is on the rise.

Sorry, I forgot. It is a criminal offense for a member of the MSM to admit that Al Gore exists and might run.

The reason they passed this statute is because if you admit it, their whole premise falls apart. Nobody has showed more backbone than Gore on Iraq. Before the war he pointed out that Bush was politicizing the invasion by demanding the IWR vote before the 2002 midterm. If Fineman has ever reported that salient fact, I'll drink a beer with Dubya.

He concludes the article with more mindless twaddle: the obligatory mention of Hillary with the obligatory follow-up adjective "inevitable."

Even if she sustains her poll numbers (unlikely if heavyweights enter the race), the likelihood of an anybody-but-Hillary movement is good. We just ran a northern senator and lost.

Remember Fineman was a major McCain phallus licker in 2000 and ever since. When he isn't bashing Dems, he's usually busy pulling punches on Bush. Just more MSM formula.

I'm not saying there isn't a grain of truth in what he's saying. The capitulation of presidential wannabes on the IWR in 2002 was a disgrace. Shame on them. But you have to understand the game Fineman normally plays. That's how you make the big bucks in contemporary journalism.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 06:28 PM
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30. We could filibuster the next one AND vote no on Roberts. n/t
n/t
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 06:52 PM
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36. The average voter still doesn't know
what Dems stand for. We can't win just by saying "we're not Bush".
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win_in_06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 06:54 PM
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37. Didn't work when Bush was running. Definitely won't work when he isn't.
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Admiral Loinpresser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 07:07 PM
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39. There is some truth in that ,
but the grassroots stepped up and got Dean elected chair. He's doing a good job on the message. Things are improving, IMO.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 07:39 PM
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43. Because 23 of them voted for Roberts
We have NO chance of dislodging the evil that now rules the country as long as Repuglicans vote together and we don't. It's that simple.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 10:07 PM
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44. The main reason that Dems voted for him
is that mainly, he's 100% corporate shill...as are a majority of the Dems in the Senate.

It's not called the millionaire's club for nothing...
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:16 AM
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46. Dems get no respect when it comes to the media.
They never give them more than lip service. I wrote Fineman today about this and mentioned John kerry as an example. All he has spoken out about and all of his travels and they don't bother to report none of it.They do however, constantly repeat Repub talking points. The media is very selective, they've made darlings out of the repubs, John McCain and Rudy Gulliani.You might think that these two idiots had all the answers to everything. They seek out Repubs for answers to questions and the only time they mention Dems is usually in the content of a Repub outraged over something a Dem has said. I do not think this will change unless we start calling them out on this an pressuring them provide fairer coverage to Democrats.
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:29 AM
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49. Democrats Also Have Structural Disadvantages the Republicans Don't
The House is very uncompetitive - partly because of gerrymandering, but also because Democrats tend to be concentrated in small spaces, urban areas, high density - the result? Kerry only carried only 180 congressional districts, despite nearly equalling Bush in the popular vote.

Likewise in the Senate, there are far more Republican states than Democratic ones. The electoral college also generally discriminates against us.

Republicans have advantages in these areas. Throw in the advantages of incumbency - such as gerrymandering, and a well-oiled message machine plus a lazy media and you have a VERY difficult time for Democrats to win, even if everything goes right.
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nvliberal Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:53 AM
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51. And that's not mentioning the likely fraud
we are seeing on the national level.

I fully expect Democrats to lose still more seats in the House and the Senate, and a real chance of us losing the filibuster.

I don't for a minute think these current setbacks by the Republicans are going to change the political dynamic here.

It's going to take far more than a few scandals to bring these fascists down.
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:49 AM
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50. There's a reason we don't let Republicans think for us

and Howie the Dolt reflects exactly why. The country is no longer what it was in 1965, or at least not sufficiently so to be run that way again.

Let's just let you Do The Time Warp Again, Howie.

As for the bunch of 'well-connected Democrats'...yeah, I can figure out what kind would give Fineman the assessment they do. Their kind isn't going to do too well in '06, that's quite true.
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:56 AM
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52. THE REPORTS OF THE DEMISE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY
ARE GREATLY EXAGGERATED, AND COME TO THINK OF IT GRAVELY EXASPERATING.

SEE, WE CAN CAPITALIZE.

EVERYTIME I SEE THE SUBJECT LINE I WANT TO SAY WE CAN CAPITALIZE.

WE CAN ALSO INDENT, ITALICIZE, MARGINALIZE, EMBOLDEN, PUNCTUATE, AND RARELY HESITATE TO INTERJECT AT WILL!

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ladylibertee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 01:02 AM
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53. I will hold my comments until AFTER the next nominee is chosen.
This will be the very LAST opportunity they have to convince the party that they got their #5&* together.If, after this second confirmation, I do not see a united Democratic front.I will no longer financially support them.I will just sit on the sidelines and vote.I am not about to waste time and money on any organization that just sits on their asses.
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 06:13 AM
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54. Republicans are disintegrating but Dems are still trying to find themselve
This is a big problem.

Do Democrats lean more populist? If they do they piss off the big corporate donors.

Do Democrats embrace more "traditional" values? If they do they piss off the women's movement.

Do Democrats take a stronger stand against the Iraq war? If so they risk being labled weak.

Many of the party leaders in congress are none too happy with Howard Dean but when they had a chance to put forward a strong candidate for DNC chair who represented their views they blew it--on the other hand finding someone who represented the views of Congressional Democrats would be difficult since no one seems to be able to agree on just what those views might happen to be.

Dean has strong well defined views on most issues but is often undermined by the Congressional leaders who don't want to take strong stands on the issues or can't agree on which stands they want to take.

In the meantime ordinary rank and file Democrats are becoming increasingly impatient with their leaders at all levels.

The Republicans may end up in jail but at least they're unified.
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lateo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:43 AM
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56. Because they are willing foils for the Republicans.
They remind me of the Keystone Cops chasing someone...


Or the opposing team that played against the Harlem Globetrotters.

They are just there to make the other side look good...even when the other side is pure evil.

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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:12 PM
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58. Can the Dems retake the House in '06?
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lateo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 12:06 AM
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60. I don't think so.
As long as they keep up their milque toast agenda we will lose.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:26 PM
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59. because they're scared of their own shadows
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