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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 07:29 AM
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President Bush Misreads History (re: his pre-protest speech)
http://www.etaiwannews.com/Opinion/2005/09/30/1128048163.htm

In a September 21 speech insisting that the United States must "stay the course" in Iraq, U.S. President Bush warned that an early military withdrawal from that country would encourage al-Qaida and other terrorist organizations. Weak U.S. responses to challenges over the past quarter century have emboldened such people, Bush argued. Among other examples, the president cited the decisions to withdraw troops from Lebanon and Somalia after American forces suffered casualties.

Hawkish pundits have made similar allegations for years. But it is a curious line of argument with ominous implications. Bush and his supporters clearly assume that the United States should have stayed in both Lebanon and Somalia. The mistake, in their opinion, was not the original decision to intervene but to limit American losses and terminate the missions. This is a classic case of learning the wrong lessons from history.

Even hawkish Republican Dana Rohrabacher, who was a special assistant to President Ronald Reagan in the 1980s, acknowledges that the decision to send troops into Lebanon was perhaps the worst foreign policy mistake of Reagan's presidency. The United States promptly found itself in the middle of a civil war as a de facto ally of the Christian-dominated Lebanese government.

American troops became entangled in skirmishes with Muslim militias, and U.S. battleships off the coast proceeded to shell Muslim villages. The disastrous intervention culminated with an attack by a suicide car bomber against the Marine barracks in Beirut that left 241 Marines dead. A few months later, Reagan cut his losses and pulled out of Lebanon.

more....

(Isn't the Cato Institute RW ? Probably why I found this article in Taiwan :) )
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 07:39 AM
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1. Last instances of Lebanese and Somali terrorism against U.S.?
Anyone?
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 07:53 AM
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2. How about muslim terrorists?? Anyone?? Can anybody think of a Muslim...
terrorist group??

I think that article mentions we were bombing MUSLIM villages and siding with the CHRISTIAN dominated Lebanese government. Al Quaeda is not a 'state'.

I still don't know whether we should pull out or not, but to say that since the Lebanese haven't attacked us since we pulled out of there and neither have the Somalians is disingenuous.
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Boo_Radley Donating Member (280 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 08:04 AM
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3. Cato
"Isn't the Cato Institute RW"

It's fairly libertarian. To a fair extent, they're socially liberal and fiscally conservative. That's not a complete synopsis, but probably close enough.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 08:14 AM
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4. Thanks!
I've seen Cato pundits debating Dem pundits on news shows, was hoping we were turning a corner :hi:
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 08:22 AM
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5. This article is wrong about one thing.
Bush doesn't misread history. You have to read history to misread it. Bush just speaks the erroneous lines his administration's "history Brownies" tell him to read.

Otherwise the article is right. Somalia and Lebanon were lessons that should have taught us not to go to Iraq. The proper reading of history is that Bush and his neo-dummies ignored the lessons of history.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 08:36 AM
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6. But, but, but....the sheeple
believe we're safer !?!

Cindy Sheehan was right, 9-11 was a criminal act, not an act of war. Where's Osama anyhow ? That mission should have been completed, unless there was a reason it wasn't ?

We should have left once Saddam was removed, I'm just not sure what all the rest is about. It takes about 6 months to train combat ready troops here, what's the holdup getting Iraqi troops ready?

Just some observations from a "Mrs. Joe-six-pack average citizen" !



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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 09:35 AM
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7. Explain something for me, Why did Reagan blink when a few hundred died but
Bush still has 45% approval with 2000 dead?
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 11:34 AM
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8. Good question.....
Reagan cut and ran on Beirut....nobody dissed him for that, but he saved lives by doing so?

Sidebar: Don't get me started, my crankypants husband had the last battalion in Lebanon, lost no men, but still argues with me about Iraq ! Geesh.
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