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Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 01:52 AM
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Moonie elder spills some beans & why TV won't do Moon
Edited on Tue Oct-04-05 01:58 AM by Cell Whitman
to folks who follow Moon, this is quite large....

Larry Zilliox passed on this observation from an article in the Kodiak Daily Mirror. Larry is the President of Investigative Research Specialists, LLC - and the one who maintains the most up to date list of Moon front groups housed at Steve Hassan's Freedom of Mind site - find the list HERE.

Here's what Larry's sharp eye observed:

This is the first time I have seen a Moon follower admit during an interview that the primary activity of the businesses is to support Moon's social objectives. "Cooper said the company is a way Moon found to make the church and its associated movements for world peace self-sufficient." This quote is especially telling. "As Kim puts it, although the church and the company are separate, “We actually go toward the same goal — to make a kind of ideal world.”

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Why is this important? Because, as you will see in a 1990 NBC Nightly News transcript found below, Moon's organization tries to deceive people into thinking Moon's businesses are ONLY businesses, like any other. Even though Moon says they can't separate the religious from the political, in the past they didn't want people to know that all of Moon's fronts are cogs in his movement. The moonies have known that many companies and individuals would not work with them if they knew they were helping Moon build his planet manipulation machine. People needed a way to rationalize what they were doing, especially before decades of mainstreaming of the Moon organization by the conservative movement.

Of course anyone who has read even a smidgen about Moon and his organization knows that the belief that anything Moon starts is not designed to help the group manipulate the planet is just ridiculous. Can't say it enough, the idea that the Wasington Times or any of Moon's fronts somehow don't have his world plans at the heart of their reason for existence is just silly to anyone who looks. Working to put he and his group in charge of the direction of world events is all Moon and his organization do.

Below is a transcript I made of a NBC Nightly News from 1990 which shows the deception in action. Given the Kodiak Daily comments by two members, including an elder in the church, one has to wonder why anyone would believe anything the leaders of this group say.

Here's some background on some of those interviewed for the NBC report:

Steve Hassan - former member and leader of the Moon organization. He is now a cult exit counselor and licensed mental health therapist:here is Steve's page on Moon's group.

Bo Hi Pak: Pak was Moon's longtime interpreter and advance man. Pak came to America ten years in advance to set the groundwork for Moon's official arrival in 1971 to take the helm of the US operation. Pak is currently in prison for fraud. Moon has done nothing to help him even though, imho, Pak made Moon what he is today. Now Moon's daughter, who is also Pak's daughter in law, has started an effort to save Pak. In a bit a irony, given that Moon's organization has made billions swindling the Japanese, Pak was swindled by people apparently introduced to him by members of Moon's organization which lead to his being held in the hoozecow. Read about it here and see Pak shaking hands with US politicians.

Joe Rothstein: President of Capitol Video.

Michael Warder: Worked directly with Moon for many years, helping him with his newspaper in New York. Warder stated in a FRONTLINE report that Moon wanted a media totally loyal to him. I don't think this means Moon must own them, just that the media won't give him any trouble by exposing to the American public what he is doing behind the scenes to mold our nation politically. Moon has that now with the American TV and major print media who refuse to inform the nation about Moon's efforts. This allows Moon to gig more ministers and move his theofascist ball down the field.

Jonathon Park: Bo Hi Pak's son. If you believe the bean spillers in the Kodiak Daily report, as anyone familiar with the subject would, then Park is doing what former members say moonies are trained to do, that is, use "heavenly deception" claiming the church doesn't influence the business.

James Whelan: Highly recruited by the Moon organization, Whelan was the first editor and publisher of the Washington Times. He quit a little over a year later, calling the WT a "moonie paper" and saying he had "blood on his hands" for helping the paper gain respectability.

here's the transcript... I believe you can read these tea leaves and see why TV doesn't do Moon. Be kind of hard for them to do a report about how Moon has manipulated our nation politically and then have to admit they helped him do it.
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NBC Nightly News with Tom Brokaw August 1990. Jamie Gangel reporting from Washington D.C..

Tom Brokaw: Decades ago Rev. Sun Myung Moon was accused of controlling the minds of young people - creating so called "moonies." Well, he's avoided public controversy since that time but quietly, he and his organization have been building a powerful business empire and some of his former top aids say that makes him even more dangerous now.

The latest from NBC's Jamie Gangel:

(scene: Moon mass wedding with participants at Moon's direction raising hands and yelling "mansie" in unison three times)

Gangel: Sun Myung Moon, 1982, this is what most people remember; the mass weddings, the moonies, young people sent out to sell flowers and give all their money to the church. Since then, Rev. Moon and his followers have built an empire but critics still charge the UC is a destructive cult.

Steve Hassan: It's an international conglomerate of people who are completely under complete the control of Moon and his leadership. It's an organization that wants to take over the world and has been working to do so, relentlessly.

JG: They own - prime real estate in all fifty states, one third of the U. S. fishing industry, banks, hotels, a weapons factory, even this fancy French jewelry company (show Christian Bernard Jewelers) and now the Moon organization is focussing on television. In a rare interview we spoke to Moon's right hand man, Bo Hi Pak. He told us, their goal is a national cable network.

Bo Hi Pak: It's going to be a America's television, promote America's ideology, America's worldview, which is God centered world view, traditional values, that is what America needs.

JG: And the point man for the TV operation is Jonathon Park, Bo Hi Pak's son. Funded in part by Church related businesses, in the past five years Park has bought virtually every independent television production company in Washington DC. He's built this $90 million dollar complex and now controls five companies, including the largest state of the art studio in town. He's even bought into Nostalgia cable, a system that reaches almost 11 million viewers. It's made competitors nervous.

Joe Rothstein: I think the immediate danger in the Washington area is that would get a lock on all the means of television and video production.

Jonathon Park: There is no other motive, no other hidden agenda. These businesses are run for profit and they're operated very much like any other well run company.

JG: And the church will not influence them?

Jonathon Park: Absolutely, no.


JG: In fact, Park's clients say there has not been any influence and very few of his employees are even church members but critics say there is another agenda.

Warder: If you want to be the second coming of Christ, you want all the power you want all the money, you want control of all the media. That's the objective.

JG: And if the names of your clients are a measure of your power and prestige, Jonathon Park and the Moon organization can now claim they are accepted by a virtual who's who of the TV industry.

(video of CNN lead in) CNN is one of the most visible. It rents many of its crews and technical staff from Park. NBC, ABC, CBS, and many of their affiliates also give Park business.

James Whelan: People are cooperating willy nilly throwing their money at them, throwing their reputations, their prestige, their honor even, at the moonie cause and choosing not to look. See no evil, hear no evil....

JG: Other are Ted Koppel communications, many foreign networks and Entertainment Tonight.

SH: Doing business with Moon is giving credibility and legitimacy to a man who is, in my opinion, a total demagogue, who runs a destructive cult, that uses deception, mind control, and hurts thousands and thousands of people.


JG: The Moon organization vehemently denies these attacks.

Bo Hi Pak: They're the liars, they're liars and premeditated to destroy our church and I know one thing, we speaking the truth. And I know who Rev. Moon is, he's a man of God. (...unintelligible) God's is truth. I know we shall prevail because "truth" shall prevail.

JG: Should anyone be worried about this? Critics say "Yes" - that Moon's agenda is power, taking over the world. But the church insists that's absurd, that it's just investing in legitimate businesses.

Jamie Gangel NBC news Washington.


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Here's the link to the whole Kodiak article and a pertinent excerpt. For the most part this article is just another detailing how rooted Moon is now in our nation. Thank you conservatives.
I understand Moon is the biggest employer in Kodiak.

Unification Church has long history in Kodiak
Article published on Friday, September 30th, 2005
By ANDREW WELLNER
Mirror Writer

Moon approves land purchases. And once his stamp of approval is on a transaction and the property is in hand, the company can’t sell it without his consent.
While the business isn’t owned by or even formally affiliated with the UC, they do have tight connections. Moon does the bulk of the decision making for both the church and the company.

And members move back and forth. Rev. Cheol Ho Bang, now the pastor at the Kodiak church, worked for a few years in the company. And Jang Kim, an executive at the plant, was once a pastor.

Cooper said the company is a way Moon found to make the church and its associated movements for world peace self-sufficient.

The movement estimates that 90 percent of its resources go toward various activities they sponsor to promote social justice issues.

As Kim puts it, although the church and the company are separate, “We actually go toward the same goal — to make a kind of ideal world.”


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Here are the first four findings of the 70s congressional investigation of Korean influence on our nation. You can find a 43 page excerpt pdf file of the United States House of Representatives. Investigation of Korean-American Relations, Report of the Subcommittee on International Relations (known as the Fraser Report) by scrolling down HERE.

These are pretty straight forward findings, wouldn't you say? Why would anyone say anything Moon touches isn't part of the plan?

1. The UC (Unification Church) and numerous other religious and secular organizations headed by Sun Myung Moon constitute essentially one international organization. This organization depends heavily upon the interchangeability of its components and upon its ability to move personnel and financial assets freely across international boundaries and between businesses and nonprofit organizations.

2. The Moon Organization attempts to achieve goals outlined by Sun Myung Moon, who has substantial control over the economic, political, and spiritual activities undertaken by the organization in pursuit of those goals.

3. Among the goals of the Moon Organization is the establishment of a worldwide government in which the separation of church and state would be abolished and which Moon and his followers would govern.

4. In pursuit of this and other goals, the Moon Organization has attempted, with varying degrees of success, to gain control over or establish business and other secular institutions in the United States and elsewhere, and has engaged in political activities in the United States. Some of these activities were undertaken to benefit the ROK Government or otherwise influence U.S. foreign policy.




http://cellwhitman.blogspot.com/
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 02:22 AM
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1. Ted Koppel?
Does Moon know he's going to die?
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Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 02:43 AM
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2. yes
Moon says after he dies he will run it from the spiritworld. :) It's even money that his third son will become the new big kahuna, though his youngest is moving up the pecking order.

This organization will NOT die when Moon does. Some think since he's old when he goes that will be the end of it, nothing could be further from the truth.
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Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 03:55 AM
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3. BTW, the Nostalgia channel he "bought" into he owns and changed the name
it was the "GoodLife Channel" for a while but now it is "AmericanLife TV"

Find it here:
http://www.goodtv.com/

Moon envisioned years ago teaching his "bible" to the masses via telstar. haha. Moon does things when he thinks he can get away with them. His TV channel will recruit when he think he can get away with it and have no major problems. Do you think that a fancy video shown to millions won't gig a few? haha. Nothing is happening to change that course.

Here's a link to some video that is produced by Moon's planet gigging unit, now called the Universal Peace Federation.(UPF) They are now the main unit because so far the UN has told Moon's faces they aren't interested in his plan for the UN to add a theocratic body. He will continue to use his NGOs there. The UPF will gather support as the UN loses it. Nothing is happening to change that course.

Some of these videos show up on Moon's TV channel in the public service hour on weekends.

http://tinyurl.com/bzuk7

some people laugh at him.

Have you ever googled "America's Newspaper"?

I think my granny would have jumped out the window had I told her in 1975 what would pass as "America's Newspaper" in 2005...
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 10:46 AM
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4. Bookmarked and recommended
There is no religious presence in the US today that is more dangerous to democracy than Moon. He is insidious.

I used to have a site bookmarked where you could search for UC-owned businesses by state. There is an incredible number of them, of all kinds.

I'll be checking your blog when I've got more time. Thanks for your post.
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Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 12:41 PM
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6. here's the link to the state by state list
Do always use the list updated by Larry Zilliox and housed at Steve Hassan's site. There are some well meaning folks who have lists posted to their sites which haven't been updated since the early 80s.

If you scroll down Steve Hassan's home page you will find the link to the state by state list.


http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/m/moonies/
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Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 01:30 PM
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9. the state by state list
is within this one. This is the most up to date list worldwide(updated in June 2005 as I post) and also goes by countries and states.

http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/m/moonies/front_groups.htm

and here is just the state by state list plus Canada:

http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/m/moonies/businesses_us_front.htm
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Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 11:12 AM
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5. Best post I've read in ages.
For more on "Koreagate" may I recommend Robert Boettcher's "Gifts of Deceit".
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Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 12:59 PM
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7. Had Boettcher not died from a "fall" from a building in 1984
Edited on Tue Oct-04-05 01:00 PM by Cell Whitman
I believe he would have been a huge voice exposing Moon over the last 20 years. Thanks for reminding me, below is an excerpt from his book which fits this post.

FYI: His book can be bought for a buck at Amazon. :7

Gifts of Deceit - Sun Myung Moon, Tongsun Park and the Korean Scandal. (1980)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0030445760/qid%3D978915705/102-8084025-1605754

From the back cover of Gifts of Deceit - about the author Robert B. Boettcher's:

As staff director of the House Subcommittee on International Relations, Robert Boettcher was in on the Korean scandal from the beginning. It was the investigations done by his staff that lead directly to the breaking of the scandal. His work put him in liaison with top officials in the CIA and in the Department of Justice as well as with Special Counsel Leon Jaworski and the staff and principals of the Ethics Committee investigation. Fluent in two far eastern languages and with an M.S. in international relations from Georgetown University, Mr. Boettcher served five years as a Foreign Service Officer with a specialty in Far Eastern affairs before joining Congressman Donald Fraser's staff in 1971.
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Quoting Boettcher's "Gifts of Deceit".

There is a Moonie explanation for everything.

Lying. One of the central tenets of the faith is the doctrine of Heavenly Deception. Good must deceive evil. The non-Moon world is evil. It must be lied to so it can help Moon take over. Then it can become good under Moon's control. In the Bible, Jacob lied to Isaac. God rewarded Jacob by making him the father of the nation of Israel. Closer to home, you lie to your children about Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny, don't you?
......
The non-Moon world, being of Satan, lives under the laws of Cain. Constantly, they get in Moon's way. One law however is very useful. It makes it possible to try to get around all the others. The First Amendment to the constitution guarantees freedom of religion. As long as Moon says everything the cult does is religious, he can claim the protection of the First Amendment.

The advantages of using the first Amendment were seen early. Before Moon moved to the United States in 1971, he and his small band of followers realized the operation would have the most flexibility if it was called a church. Businesses, political activities, and tax exempt status could be protected. Moon was dubbed "Reverend" in 1969. In 1970 the name "United Family" was changed to "Unification Church." Organization and goals stayed the same. Only the name was changed, for its "effect on the institutions of society." A cult publication explained, "The name implies respectability and stability."

Since Moon's invasion of America began, he has marched steadily behind the First Amendment shield. Calling himself "Reverend" and his operation a church early enough, Moon put the burden of proof on the non-Moon world. His beliefs are fully protected by the First Amendment. He insists his actions are, too. His beliefs cover everything. No matter what the cult does, therefore, it is claimed to be an exercise of religious belief.

In the non-Moon world, Fraser conducts an investigation. He wants to find out if the Moon organization's political and business activities are part of the Korean influence campaign. At first, he has only allegations that the Moonies acted as unregistered agents of a foreign intelligence service, the KCIA. The Moonies can believe in God as they choose, but they ought not violate the law in the process, he thinks. He is amazed at what he finds: evidence that the Moon organization has violated laws on banking, immigration, taxes, currency control, charity fraud, arms export control, and foreign agents registration.

To the moonies, everything Fraser did from start to finish violated their freedom of religion. Since they claim everything they do is religious, Fraser had no right to question what they do. The cult's published comment on the Fraser Report says it well: "Its objections to the activities of the followers of Rev. Moon are fundamentally objections to their religious beliefs."

Moon apparently thinks his "religious beliefs" are special license to break laws. The new Messiah is above the laws of Cain. Whatever contempt Moon has for the for the laws of the United States, he sees fit to hide behind the First Amendment to the Constitution. That raises questions for the non-Moon world about the meaning of freedom of religion:

Does freedom of religion give Moon the right to violate the Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution, which outlaws slavery?

Did freedom of religion give Moon the right to be paid secretly by the KCIA to carry out a plot to throw eggs at the Japanese ambassador and disrupt an official visit of the Prime Minister of Japan?

Does freedom of religion give Moon the right to smuggle large amounts of money into the United States?

Did freedom of religion give Moon the right to try to take over an American bank in violation of banking laws by buying half the banks stock secretly with cult money?

Did freedom of religion give Moon the right to smuggle hundreds of aliens into this country under the guise of "students" or "religious trainees" so they could put them to work full time in his businesses?

Did freedom of religion give Moon the right to avoid taxes by transferring large amounts of money from one cult member to another, calling it a loan?

Did freedom of religion give Moon's minions, Bo Hi Pak, the right to collect $1 million from Americans under the guise of a "Children's Relief Fund," and then use 93 percent of the money to pay public relations men?

Did freedom of religion give Moon and his cult the right to negotiate, as an unregistered agent of the Korean government, for the manufacture and export of M-16 rifles?

Does freedom of religion give Moon the right to infiltrate the offices of Senators and Congressmen with covert agents who report details of personal lives to the cult for its special card file?

Did freedom of religion give Moon the right to refuse to answer questions about these activities before a subcommittee of Congress?

The Fraser Report recommended a federal task force to investigate the Moon organization for lawbreaking. Evidence of systematic violation of laws appears in the report. But a subcommittee of Congress is neither a law enforcement agency nor a court. It can only investigate and legislate. The Fraser Subcommittee did not recommend making any new laws to deal with the Moonies in the areas investigated. It found evidence that the Moon organizations had violated existing laws. What the subcommittee called for was for law enforcement and regulatory agencies to do their jobs, specifically the Department of Justice (including the FBI, the Antitrust Division, and the Immigration and Naturalization Service), the Treasury Department, the Security and Exchange Commission, the Federal Reserve Board, and the Internal Revenue Service.

Past attempts at investigating Moon activities by each of those agencies alone had been piecemeal, inconclusive, and without the benefit of pooled information. That worked to Moon's advantage every time. It is one of the pitfalls of the Washington bureaucracy. That was why the Fraser Subcommittee recommended a coordinated effort by an interagency task force.

After the Fraser Report and the Guyana tragedy, there was still no indication that any such investigation would begin.

The American system is ill-equipped to deal with Moon. He knows this and benefits from it. He can break some laws and use others for protection. By perverting freedom of religion, he can keep thousands in brainwashed captivity while he intimidates and manipulates the non-moon world. He hurls lawsuits at those who offend him, whether parents of cult members or The New York Times. He has Nobel laureates feeding his ego and prestige by attending his conferences. He has high-principled civil libertarians and churchmen rallying to his defense.

Moon also has held the Department of Justice cautiously at bay for years. In 1976, Undersecretary of State Habib had asked for an investigation of the Moonies under the Foreign Agents Registrations Act. Justice refused to even look, because the Moonies called themselves a church.

It was still hands off in 1977. On July 29, Assistant Attorney General Civiletti, in a letter to a Congressman, wrote, "It has been our experience that members of these religious sects are apparently competent, consenting adults." He decided to do nothing because to take brainwashing seriously "would seem to require finding that the members' religious beliefs were false." The United States government believed brainwashing was real enough in the Korean War. Apparently that was different because Communists were doing it to American soldiers. When Moon does it the name of God he gets away with it.

Attorney General Griffin Bell added confusion to his departments caution. After the deaths in Guyana, he said, "I don't know what a cult is. I'm a Baptist. Maybe that makes me a member of a cult." Two months later, on February 2, 1979, he said he believed Patty Hearst had been brainwashed.

An open society must let totalitarians have their say. If the Nazis are allowed to march down the street, and the Communists can publish their Daily World, then Moon has the right to tell people God wants him to take over the world. Likewise, others are entitled to criticize what he says. Not so, says Moon.

Hundreds from his cult were shipped to Washington to protest Senator Dole's information meeting on the cult phenomenon. Outside the Senate Office Building, they waved signs proclaiming "Senator Dole, this is a witch hunt." Inside, Neil Salonen took the stand and told Senators and Congressman what the Moonies thought about the meeting.

"This very proceeding itself violates the spirit of the First Amendment and violates the rights of believers which the First Amendment was designed to protect. It will have a chilling effect on the free exercise of those beliefs."

George Swope, a Baptist minister, gave a different view of congressional inquiry into church activities:

"Members of the congress I tell you frankly, if you receive hundreds of accusing letters from parents of young adults who have joined the Baptist denomination, and if you receive hundreds of statements from young adults who have left the Baptists alleging mind control, the potential for suicide and murder, illegal immigration and financial practices, and other destructive physical and psychological activities, I feel it would be your duty to establish a task force to investigate those allegations against my own denomination."
.....

(and further from Gifts of Deceit pages 321-322)

Fraser was not the only one closing in on the Moonies. The Korean Culture and Freedom Foundation had been barred from soliciting contributions in New York after 1976. The State Social Welfare Board had discovered that less than 7 percent of the funds collected by KCFF for the Children's Relief Fund could have been used for that purpose. The public was told that money was needed urgently to save the lives of 350,000 children who were facing "terminal forms of malnutrition" in Southeast Asia. Contributions were to be used to buy emergency supplies of blood plasma and food. The Children's Relief Fund appears to have been more an exercise in image-building than a drive to raise funds for the cult's coffers. An audit showed that Bo Hi Pak himself got $26,000 each year, while the bulk of the contributions in 1975, $920,000, was paid to Richard A. Viguerie Company, a professional fund raising firm, for handling mail order solicitations. Another $58,000 went to the Associated Public Relations Council of Washington, owned by Donald Miller, who was also the executive director of KCFF.

end excerpts from Robert B. Boettcher's -
Gifts of Deceit - Sun Myung Moon, Tongsun Park and the Korean Scandal. (1980)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0030445760/qid%3D978915705/102-8084025-1605754


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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 12:59 PM
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8. Thank you so much for this post!
Lots of work and Moon's connection with the Bushes is very crucial.
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Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 05:51 PM
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10. thanks,
I know it is long, appreciate everyone's patience.

Maybe folks will copy the good parts and pass them along. There is so much people do not know.

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