Howard Dean Endorses Clinton for 2008 Race!

[ladylibertee]

Dean Hypes Hopes For Mrs. Clinton In 2008 Race
October 02, 2005
The chairman of the Democratic National Committee, Howard Dean, hyped Senator Clinton's presidential prospects in an appearance with her yesterday, describing her as a role model for "young women who hope one day that they will have a spot on the ticket."

Dems Agree to Recommend Early Primaries
October 02, 2005
Democrats trying to change their presidential primaries for 2008 agreed Saturday to recommend that at least two other states join Iowa and New Hampshire in voting during the opening days of the nominating campaign.

OK, be Prez, N.Y.ers tell Hil
October 02, 2005
New polls yesterday showed Sen. Hillary Clinton has a virtual lock on reelection and the go-ahead from New York voters to run for President - even if they wish she wouldn't.

[ladylibertee]

1. C'Mon. Anyone wanna weigh in on what HOWARD DEAN says?

[FourStarDemocrat]

10. He's sounding like Terry McAuliffe..not what I want to hear. n/t

[ladylibertee]

11. Well, It's obvious what you want to hear love.

[FourStarDemocrat]

48. What's obvious is that no DNC Chair should show partisanship..

And upon a closer reading of Dean's statements, it looks to me that he's only suggesting Hilary as an inspiration for young girls, and not indicating any particular part of a Ticket (Pres or VP).

[opihimoimoi]

2. She has Mettle, Courage, and Smarts..something Bush and Brown don have

Not that Hill would run against them but they personify the GOP...

[ladylibertee]

Bush and Brown wouldn't even get the nomination!

[ladylibertee]

4. sorry. I hit it twice

[Starbucks Anarchist]

3. Maybe he meant the VP spot.

Or a spot after 2008.

[ladylibertee]

5. Nope. PRESIDENT ! Whatsa matter?

[Starbucks Anarchist]

6. I saw "spot on the ticket."

That could be construed as VP.

[ladylibertee]

7. You need to read it over dear Look,

"young women who hope one day that they will have a spot on the ticket."

[Starbucks Anarchist]

12. Yes, Dean said Hillary was an inspiration

for "young women who hope one day that they will have a spot on the ticket."

That sounds like Dean is saying Hillary will have "a spot on the ticket" (which could be VP) and will thus be an inspiration to young women with similar dreams.

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[Starbucks Anarchist]

15. What hurts is the echo bouncing around inside your head.

I told you what I thought Dean meant, similar to what other posters have done, yet you have responded to all of us like a child.

[ladylibertee]

19. Ruff Ruff. So sad the nonsupport. No wonder

[Starbucks Anarchist]

21. I never mentioned my support or nonsupport of Hillary.

I told you what I construed Dean's comment as, and that apparently set off some deep-seated inadequacy in your mind that you're taking out on the rest of us for absolutely no reason.

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[ladylibertee]

32. I just notice a lot of attack against Hillary like a "woman" is not

worthy to be Pres.But all these dick-less cowards get high praise around here.It doesn't matter though because there are more than enough votes for Hillary from the moderates to replace the "closet" sexist extremist who continue to embarrass our party.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

36. DUers who attack Hillary aren't attacking her gender.

They're attacking her support for the Iraq war and her recent opportunistic rightward shift.

To claim people on DU who don't like Hillary are sexist is ludicrous, as evidenced by the overwhelming support women like Cindy Sheehan and Barbara Boxer receive here.

Stop being so sensitive about everything.

[ladylibertee]

40. Right. Support a woman when she's making an....nevermind

[Starbucks Anarchist]

42. No, tell us what you were going to say.

I know you want to dredge up the "barefoot and pregnant" angle, even though it has absolutely no relevance to the matter at hand.

So answer my question: Why do women like Cindy Sheehan and Barbara Boxer receive praise on DU? And doesn't the fact that they receive praise negate your point about "sexists" in our party?

[ladylibertee]

46. Not HARDLY enough praise (BOXER) However, If she expressed interest

Ya ll would treat her like GI Jane.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

54. Not enough praise for Boxer on DU?

Are you kidding me? She's constantly mentioned in the same sentence with Conyers, Kucinich and other true liberals.

Search the archives or start a Boxer 2008 thread. I guarantee you she will receive many votes on DU.

[ladylibertee]

62. Naw, let it "slip" that she wants to be Pres.Y'all would flip on her so

fast.Anyways,I guess it's normal to verbally devour and chew up dems.Please, tell me what you think of Feingold who voted fro Roberts confirmation? Here come the praises.Let me brace myself.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

67. I'm a big fan of Feingold.

Yes, I disagreed with the pro-Roberts vote, as I have with some of his other positions, yet I agree with the vast majority of his views.

If he ran for President, I would absolutely support him. Same for Barbara Boxer.

And contrary to what you may believe, if Boxer ran for President, you would be able to feel the smiles on most DUers' faces through your computer screen.

[ladylibertee]

69. Just proved my point ! We are done babe.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

72. What was your point in the first place?

You apparently expected me to attack Feingold, which I didn't.

Now you've reversed course. Which is it?

[ladylibertee]

73. .

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[Starbucks Anarchist]

74. Okay...

Some people just want to be jerks, I guess. :eyes:

[ladylibertee]

75. .

:evilgrin:

[Starbucks Anarchist]

77. And now you've proved MY point.

Thank you for playing. We would have some lovely parting gifts for you, but you never completed the game. Goodbye.

[ladylibertee]

79. I love you too.LOL

[Crunchy Frog]

81. No, why don't you tell us what YOU think of Feingold.

And please make sure it's consistent with your previous posts, otherwise you'll just end up hanging yourself.

[incapsulated]

60. Boxer is a hero on DU

I don't know what alternate universe you are living in.

[ladylibertee]

63. None.Just wanted to see how you all would respond.An experiment.

[incapsulated]

66. An experiment...

To see how foolish others would view this thread?

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[ladylibertee]

80. Have a great morning.See you later.

[FourStarDemocrat]

52. I don't get it either..

Nothing you said even sounds remotely sexist.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

56. Thank you, FourStarDemocrat.

:hi:

[incapsulated]

28. lol

I think you are the one who should put down that joint, lady.

:silly:

[Mass]

50. Read what is said - it does not say that Hillary will have a spot

It says that in the future, women will have a spot.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

61. It doesn't specifically say she will have a spot.

But it mentions that Hillary is a role model for girls who would like to have a spot, so it could be construed that she will have a spot herself so that she may provide that inspiration.

[mhr]

8. Hillary Supported Bush And The War Will Not Get My Vote

eom

[incapsulated]

9. "spot on the ticket" isn't exactly...

"President of the United States"

It sounds like he was being gracious, is all. :shrug:

[ladylibertee]

14. WRONG ! RE-READ IT !

[incapsulated]

16. It was less than a sentance

I read it, already. It's no "endorsement" for Hillary for President, imho.

So what is this all about, stirring up shit with the Deanies over Hillary or what? He's the Chair of the DNC, he's going to say nice things about Hillary, she's a player in the party, that's common knowlege.

[ladylibertee]

17. No, Actually I thought people would be excited, but as usual, attack dogs

who embarrass the hell out of the rest of us as usual with some off the wall logic that makes our Leaders not even want to associate with them.Oh well.Hillary's ours take her or leave her.

[incapsulated]

25. If Hillary doesn't want to "associate" with me

The feeling is mutual. I deliberately left Rangel's birthday party early just to avoid her. And I voted for her.

[RogueTrooper]

18. I think you are reading too much into his comments

rather than endorsing Hillary Clinton he is saying that she is <i>a role model for "young women who hope one day that they will have a spot on the ticket."</i>. I believe he is talking about the "young women" who would have a spot on the ticket rather than HRC.

[bklyncowgirl]

20. You got a link there? If not I'll just ignore this whole thing.

Sounds to me like snippets from the New York Post taken out of context. I'd like to read the whole article before I start trashing Dean.

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[Apollo11]

30. this link does not give us Dean's statement

Where can we read what Dean actually said?

Did he say Hillary was a great leader of the Democratic Party?

Did he say Hillary would make a great President of the USA?

Or did he just say she is a role model for young women?

FACTS PLEASE! - NOT B.S.

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[Apollo11]

43. Thanks for the link, sweet ladylibertee

So now I see what this is all about.

Some Hillary fan-club website is spinning Dr Dean's remarks to make it look like she would have his support.

My guess is that Dr Dean does not feel like he owes Hillary's DLC wing of the party anything at all, but he is a team player so will try his best not to diss her in public.

[ladylibertee]

53. Well, I achieved what I wanted to here.LOL Bye!

[incapsulated]

64. I doubt that very much

Unless what you wanted to achieve was irrelevance.

[ladylibertee]

65. Nope.Got what I wanted.Are you going to interpret what I'm really

saying as well?

[incapsulated]

71. I wouldn't bother. n/t

[bklyncowgirl]

44. Thanks, now we know the source and can make appropriate judgements.

And by the way, please refrain from calling other people punk, it's not nice and it's really hurting your cause.

[Apollo11]

45. Punks are cool!

What about Joe Strummer of THE CLASH?

What about Green Day - American Idiot?

Punk rock is like totally anti-conservative.

So that's how I took it - as a compliment ... ;)

[ladylibertee]

51. Perfect Understanding Nice Kid...it's an acronym.LOL

[bklyncowgirl]

34. First of all, I'm not a Freeper, second, I don't see the Dean quote.

I'm not a Hillary fan, I'll support a candidate in the primaries who had the good sense to oppose the Iraq war, and if she gets the nomination, make my decision as to whether to vote for her or for a third party candidate before the general election.

That hardly makes me a Freeper.

[ladylibertee]

35. there ya go !

(http://www.votehillary.org/InTheNews)

[Mass]

55. Here is the quote

"young women who hope one day that they will have a spot on the ticket."

The rest is hype by people who support Hillary.

[Apollo11]

24. Dean does not want Hillary

Dean is DNC chairman and a team player. Of course he says nice stuff about Hillary when he is asked to say something about her on the record. But if you read that quote - Dean said that Hillary is a role model for "young women who hope one day that they will have a spot on the ticket."

Sorry - but how do you get from that to having the idea that Dean wants Hillary to be the nominee in 2008? If he wanted to suggest that then he could have said something less indirect about 2008, something about Hillary being a leader - rather than just a role model.

[leveymg]

27. That doesn't sound like a firm personal endorsement. More like:

"You're a woman, Hil, even if you did vote with the Repugs on Iraq and have been far less than a beacon of hope for progressives. I, Howard Dean, who does have that role within the Party, support Democratic women who want to run for President and Vice President. You're a flawed prototype Hil, and probably unelectable even after Bush's reign of chaos (which is why the opposition want you on the ticket in '08), but you will do as a role model for others."

[Apollo11]

31. Thanks leveymg

I completely agree with your analysis of what Dean said.

[babylonsister]

29. It's a bit too early for this, I'm thinking. nt

[NoPasaran]

37. It's never too early for flamebait in the morning

The only question is whether this should be counted as anti-Dean flamebait or anti-Hillary flamebait.

[babylonsister]

38. My thoughts EXACTLY! nt

[incapsulated]

39. To quote a comedian...

"I don't think this is good for anybody." (was it good for you?)

[ladylibertee]

41. I welcome all the opinions. Just make sure you ALL vote for her when she

is on the ballot.That is all I care about.

[LaurenG]

58. I will not vote for her so I hope they don't run her

Bottom line I may go over to the independents or the greens if they run her. We need a clean break and a STRONG leader. IMHO this does not include Mrs. Clinton.

[Mass]

59. May be not using a misleading title would be a good thing

Dean does not endorse Hillary in the link you point. He says she will be a role model to who wants to run in the future.

He could have said that of Boxer, Feinstein, or any other women who took a leading role in politics.

[ladylibertee]

68. Journalistic Instincts. I can't help it LOL

[Mass]

47. Misleading title

Who published that?

[mattclearing]

49. Saying nice things does not = Endorsement.

I'm sure Dean wants a good competition...of all people, you know Dean is not going to want to ram through a candidate after what he went through.

[JNelson6563]

57. Hardly a ringing endorsement

and there's no denying she's a frontrunner for the spot. I don't get what the problem is and I have no use for Hillary. But then again I don't get my hate on for Dean so that could be the problem.

Juile

[mrcheerful]

78. Forget trying to put a woman in the WH........

The good ole boys won't vote for women or a minority for president. Remember your dealing with a country where more and more people are leaning to the right. Fears abound and the conseratives are the most fearful group out there. Look how they react to gay rights, welfare and muslums. What makes you think these people will put a woman in the WH?

[babylonsister]

82. Welcome to DU, mrcheerful! nt

[William769]

83. Hillary has my vote!

[Totally Committed]

84. Wow... am I disappointed!

(And, that's an understatement.)

Shades of Terry McAuliffe.

:nuke:

TC

[Crunchy Frog]

86. I would hold off on the disappointment.

It sounds like it may have been taken wildly out of context. I would need more than one line from a not particularly reliable source to jump to any conclusions.

[welshTerrier2]

85. links ???

do you have links to the articles cited in the OP ???

links are helpful because they show the context of the information that was posted ...

thanks ...

[incapsulated]

88. Here is the original article

It's all BS, as far as I'm concerned.

http://www.nysun.com/article/20802

[mmonk]

87. I need to know who is a neocon

and who isn't before I cast my ballot. I'm suspicious of the DLC.

[Moderator]

89. Flamebait

This thread is nothing but flamebait.