What the Hell is SO WRONG with a WOMAN in the White House?

[opihimoimoi]

We tried Men all these years and look at the damage they did? The one we got now cannot even heed direct clear and present danger WARNINGS for gods sake.

If there is one thing about most Women, if they don't know something, they fuckin ASK. Men would go around the damn block 4756 times before asking the sefvcice station dude where XXX Store is....Women would stop and ask in a minute.

Take Mikey Brownie...when getting the damn job of managing disasters 2 years ago, ya would think he would ask to see some procedures, some manual, anything to get him acquainted with the mechanics of the position....but noooo, that he did not...if he did, he forgot in 465 nano seconds...cause he sure was lost during these last 2 'canes.

Take Bush...worse than Brown...never did learn the job despite 5 damn years...always photo op'ing and....

never solving....sez he does but we all can see its all talk and bluff. His plans for us turns out to be CRAP...the Nation is suffering badly due to his ine4ptness. He is the best arguemenmt for change.

WE need a woman in there, give them an op to do it right....Other women have done right by their Nations, why can't we?

[TallahasseeGrannie]

1. I hear you! n/t

[Wilms]

2. You mean Hillary. Right?

:eyes:

[Richard Steele]

6. They NEVER mean Boxer, do they? *sigh*

[mikelewis]

81. No kidding... I'd support a Boxer ticket 100%

[Skidmore]

76. I would mean someone with integrity, like

Barbara Lee.

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. Hey I have no beef with a woman in the WH

but we don't NEED ANOTHER CONSERVATIVE in charge, and Senator Clinton IS very conservative and a member of the DLC... so those are two reasons not to vote for HER...

[formernaderite]

55. I agree Clinton is too centrist...but I also dislike these legacy

candidates. I'm tired of the Kennedys, Bushes and Clintons. I will always vote against a political relative. The two parties only run them for their name recognition, but they all behave like blue blood artistocrats when they're in power.

[Extend a Hand]

4. wouldn't it be great

if we could have barbara boxer or cynthia mckinney for president?

THAT would sure make me happy.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. Yep Boxer for president

here is a ticket, Boxer \ McKinney

[ewagner]

5. Well........

women do process information differently than men....

and...

women, as a general rule, are more collaborative than men......

and...

they can be (and often are) just as deadly as men......

why the hell not?

We certainly could NOT do any worse.

[incapsulated]

8. Depends on what woman

You are talking about. :)

[xultar]

9. Nothin. Don't listen to these fuckers. People are saying that they

wouldn't vote for Hillary if she was our candidate.

Hell there are Dems trying to vote her out of NY Senate.

I say FUCKEM!

If they don't vote for her when she runs as a Dem candidate then they are all fuckin freepers.

STRAIGHT UP!

[GOPNotForMe]

10. Margaret Thatcher wasn't all that in England.

Not to say that she is representative of all women by ANY means, but getting a woman in the WH isn't going to guarantee improvement!

[jpgray]

11. Belief in the superiority of one gender is the definition of sexism

I would argue that Katherine Harris, Condi Rice, Margaret Thatcher, or the positively eeevil Elaine Chao all prove that gender has nothing whatsoever to do with being a good civil servant. Women have the potential to be just as fucked up as the men in that regard. It should go without saying women have the potential to be just as great as any male politician.

[opihimoimoi]

16. Obviously, you are correct....but in all fairness...we should give them an

Op....and when I say WE, I mean America....

[lindisfarne]

12. There's nothing wrong with a woman. Except she wouldn't get elected.

That's the reality. Unfortunately. Conservatively, at least 10-15% of those who voted democrat in 2004 would not vote for a woman. Which all but guarantees a loss for a female democratic presidential candidate.

[skipos]

39. Yup nt

[swag]

13. We would all be too busy trashing her appearance and speculating

on her sexuality to get any issues discussed.

Other than that, I don't see a downside.

[opihimoimoi]

14. I wasn't talking about Hillary, but if she turned out to be the winner

through the filter primaries, then she gets my vote.

But there are many other women out there that I'll bet all my fish and crabs would be an improvement/better than our First Dummy we got now.

Lets have a primary cat fight and see who gets the nom....lets see how they can do against those GOPle/PUBs in close face to face combat..

Come, we go place bets....

[Totally Committed]

15. NO WOMAN CAN WIN AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME.

America ain't ready.... especially Red State America.

NO WOMAN... not Hillary, not Barbara, not Nancy, not Cynthia ... NONE OF THEM can or will win. Period.

Live with it.

TC

[incapsulated]

20. I don't know about that

No new ground was ever, ever broken with the "majority" on board. It's always a push to get people to change their attitudes.

If we never have the guts to nominate a woman, there will never be a chance for a woman to win. Catch-22. Same for any ethnic group, there wasn't any great majority demanding the participation of minorities in this country. Sometimes you just have to trust the people and take the chance.

[opihimoimoi]

32. Its part of an evolutionary process towards bettering our Society

We should try DIVERSITY..it works in Nature....

Bush has given us nothing to date cept shit....

[mcscajun]

27. No way do we have to live with it.

We just need to keep promoting the cause of women politicians from the bottom up (*EMILY'S List* springs to mind), and sooner or later we'll get them nominated. Maybe the first one nominated will win, maybe she won't. But it's going to happen. Visualize positive change; Don't Live with it, when "it" is the status quo.

At this moment in time...there's no election. :)

[Totally Committed]

33. I am really old now...

I have waited for America to catch up with other industrialized nations, and vote for a woman as POTUS... even VPOTUS. Ferraro was one the strongest, most intelligent women I ever met. She would have made a GREAT POTUS, or VPOTUS. You know what happened that election.

Can you tell me things have gotten better in America since then? Religious fanaticism, Neo-Cons up the whazoo, NASCAR dads, and Muslim terrorists....... do you know most Muslim men will not even shake a woman's hand? What the hell would they do if we presented them with a female POTUS? Not that that will happen while the Red States are the ones that elect our Presidents, our "Commanders-in Chief". If they don't trust their security to a male Democrat, what makes you think they'll vote for "a little lady" now?

I do not foresee a woman POTUS in my lifetime, or even beyond. And, if this Party shoots itself in the foot trying to prove they are more PC than the other side, well, I give up!

TC

[mcscajun]

42. No, I can't tell you things have gotten better...only different.

And I know that most Muslim men (strict fundamentalists) won't shake a woman's hand. So What? There's no law that says a handshake is required on greetings in diplomatic relations. What would they do if we presented them with a female POTUS? They'd not really DO much of anything...what they'd Think of us would be mostly their problem.

It's entirely possible that the first woman President will, due to politics, be a Republican (GASP!), but it Will Happen. Please, let us BOTH Live to see it.

[dorktv]

82. I am not sure I like Emily's List too much, they are not really

risk takers. You have to be fairly high in the donations or have a very good change if not polling higher then the incumbent in order to get their support.

I understand the need to get a good track record of wins, but they should do half/half where they support winners and then also support those who may not win but will advance the cause.

[mcscajun]

98. I wouldn't limit myself to EMILY's list either. I just threw that out as

an example.

[Andromeda]

43. No, I don't accept that.

Right or wrong, I believe we should be open to having a woman for president.

[Nederland]

17. Oh my

...not too many stereotypes in that post, were there?

[opihimoimoi]

19. LOL, did ya notice???

[Botany]

18. the bathroom off the oval office has 8 stand up urinals in a row ....

so important things can be discussed as the boys are whizzing ....

Vietnam = Johnson and company draining their veins
U2 fly over of the USSR = Ike and John Foster Dulles hanging snakes
Iraq = bush, Cheney, Rummy, Wolfie, Kirstol, and Rice all seeing who
had the biggest.
The Great Depression = Collidge & Buddies
Watergate = Nixon and Liddy trying to out macho each other
Civil War = Buchanan & staff at their indoor trough ..... "appease the
south ..... they make such good bourbon
Jeff Bulldog Gannon = relaxing Scotty after the mean press is tough on him.

:rofl:

[mcscajun]

23. Um....it Does? Really?

Is there a picture of this somewhere? (unoccupied, of course).

[Botany]

26. honest

remember once you have read it on the "internets" you know
it is true.

i would never make something like this up. the chip in my
brain planted by the Free Masons & the FBI tells me what i have
to write :crazy:

[mcscajun]

29. Ha!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[opihimoimoi]

44. Nothing a plumber can't rectify in a day or two....

[opihimoimoi]

21. The Question was ...not if a woman can get elected, but if she could do it

right once in there.....

[Totally Committed]

35. Of course a woman could!

Why even ask that? Bush has lowered the bar so low that my teenage granddaughter would be considered a better POTUS than him.

TC

[opihimoimoi]

45. If a woman can read, understand warnings...she be two steps ahead of BUSH

[Crunchy Frog]

22. Yeah! Go Barbara Boxer!

[mcscajun]

24. What's wrong with a Woman in the White House? Absolutely

NOTHING.

So long as it's the right woman.

I hope to live to see it, myself. I figure we're way, way overdue. We've already had a woman VP nominee, now we need a woman to be nominated for President.

I'm not saying who. This Isn't About Hillary.

[Cloister]

25. Not defending his job with Katrina,

But "Brownie" was no longer head of FEMA for Rita. And I've yet to have found a single complaint about the job he did last year with the four big Florida hurricanes.

[CottonBear]

28. No complaints except for misspent $30 million dollars which was given away

to south Florida Republicans who sustained NO hurricane damage. It was nothing more than bribery pure and simple.

Oh yeah. The poor and middle class folks who are still living in mobile home ghetto hell after a year are complaining.

[opihimoimoi]

41. While Brown wasn't there for Rita, his team was....sho nuff...

throwing money at the prob and still came up short....He takes some blame there too...

[caledesi]

30. It's a man's world...

That is why it so screwed up!

[opihimoimoi]

38. Its all screwed up cause we got a GOOD SYSTEM but failed to put good fuel

in it to make it run right...the good fuel for Democracies is good voting....

Smart voting get you smart Leaders, etc etc smart decisions gets smart results.....for everyone....the common good thingy...

[Maine-ah]

31. the problem is

that this country is still being run by old white rich men. Big business = OWRM
Money controlled by OWRM.

HA! I should change that to White Old Rich Men = WORM

[opihimoimoi]

36. WORM ran France too until the FishMonger wives stormed the Bastille

[roguevalley]

34. nothing is wrong with it. I just don't want a woman that is a big ass

just like a man would be. give me a GOOD woman who has GUTS and I will look at her as hard as I do any man. Just having a woman isn't enough. It must be a good one.

[opihimoimoi]

37. That goes without saying...the filter would make sure we got a good one...

Filter is the Primaries/debates/etc.

[Andromeda]

40. But, but, women have, you know,...

hormonal fluctuations and everybody knows what women are like when that happens.

Women are meant to stay home, have babies, cook, clean and please their husbands. You can't give a woman an important job like leading the free world---what if she breaks a nail or something?

And what if she has a bad hair day? She wouldn't be able to entertain foreign dignitaries if she has a bad perm.

Men are meant to be the boss; everybody knows that! :sarcasm:

[dorktv]

85. Well that is why the invented braids. Women can hide their hair.

[BootinUp]

46. Nothing! Which one do you think we can get in there?

n/t

[mrcheerful]

47. Right ideal, wrong time...................

Sorry, a woman would be no better or worse then GW, well as far as that goes a chimp would be better then GW, Bonzo in 08? Anyhow, the timing isn't right in this country for a woman prez, 3/4th of the country still think women are happiest bare foot an pregnant. A woman as prez would scare the bejezzus out of the red stats.Strong women are a turn off to the religious also, we are living in a time of dark ages. Look at what the RW is saying about evolution, they want ID put in schools and evolution taken out and they are winning. Can you see these people voting for a woman and even if their mates would like one, to many women of faith will not go against hubbies wishes.

[opihimoimoi]

48. We got plenty of Women out there on both sides of the aisle that wouild

put Bush to shame in terms of smarts/leadership, diplomacy, health issues, environmental concerns, etc etc.

Mrs Shrek can and should be considered.

[yourout]

49. Women are fine......just not Hillary.

[mmonk]

50. Boxer would be fine by me

[DinahMoeHum]

51. Never underestimate a man's ability to underestimate a woman.

:evilgrin:

[opihimoimoi]

59. LOL, I like that one

:) :) :toast:

[renie408]

52. Depends on the woman...

I guess. I don't think it matters whether a person is a man or a woman, just that they have the right stuff to pull off getting the nomination.

Barbara Boxer is certainly a brave and talented politician. I don't know a lot about her voting history and how it could be used to come back and haunt her, but everything I have ever heard I have liked.

I like Hillary Clinton. I just cannot help but feel that she has been so tainted by some of the sentiment left from her WH days that she would be impossible to get BACK into the WH.

[opihimoimoi]

60. I agree. Both are looking so much better than the Babbler.

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

53. Boxer would be great, but we wouldn't attribute so much to gender

There are good and bad male leaders; there have been good and bad female leaders likewise. Some like Joan of Arc in France or Maria Theresa of Austria inspired their people to great accomplishments and are justifiably recognized in history as great leaders; in more recent years women leaders like Ciller in Turkey and Wajed in Bangladesh (both in Muslim countries interestingly enough) have also been outstanding role models for political leaders anywhere. Both are politically savvy yet also social and economic reformers who improved the nations they led.

Others have been, well, less stellar with more mixed records. Indira Gandhi introduced some economic reforms but also forcibly sterilized over a million people and contributed directly to a massacre of Sikhs in the 1980s. Margaret Thatcher was also an important economic reformer but stumbled badly in reacting to the fall of the Berlin Wall and in regard to support for education, the poll tax, and in dealing with the IRA (major reasons she was forced out in 1990). Elizabeth I helped to compromise between Protestants and Catholics and avoid an English civil war, plus helped to reduce English debt-- OTOH she also brought the English into the slave trade and massacred Irish peasants Cromwell-style for more than a decade. Edith Cresson in France-- checkered record at best.

Leading a country's hard and there have been both excellent and incompetent leaders of both genders (with most falling somewhere in between). Although FWIW, Boxer would be an excellent leader, period.

[opihimoimoi]

61. Boxer looking good. ..History shows mixed reviews re women leaders

Nothing wrong with a woman president...its the timing

Soon....it will come to pass.

[AntiCoup2K4]

54. Nothing is wrong with a woman in the White House

EVERYTHING is wrong with a DLC'er in the White House.

[zulchzulu]

56. Libby Dole? Kay Bailey Hutchison? Condi? Harriet?

Women for the sake that they are women?

[opihimoimoi]

62. Of course not,,,they have to go thru the process...the primaries

just as the men do...

[wisteria]

57. Nothing, as long as it isn't Hillary . n/t

[opihimoimoi]

64. If Condi/Hutchinson/Hughes got the nom, I wouldn't vote for them too

Everyone has their faves and rejects

[radio4progressives]

58. Look here Learn something from our current history

there was a time when i entertained the delusional fantasy of a wonderful place the world be if only Women ruled.

Then along came British Prime Minister, Margaret Thatcher and U.N. Ambassador Jeane Kirkpatrick who stunned me with their provocative saber rattling and phony case for invading the Falkland Islands - Janet Reno and her bizarre handling of Waco - and now there is Condi Rice, Dianne Feinstein, Hillary Clinton and many others - involved in provocative saber rattling for more wars and conflicts against other nations who have done us no harm.

Then I look at Sandra Day O'Connor who did some good things, but used her position to put into office the party of her own affiliation.

Loyalty to Party and Freinds before country. She should have been impeached for her role in putting Bush in the white house in 2000 (as well as the others that voted with her)

I'm all for a woman serving as President and filling other positions traditionally closed to women, but not just for the sake of gender empowerment and equality which of course are important.

But not more important than equal rights and social justice for the working class and the working poor which include more women and children than men.

I mean, are you interested in equal rights for a woman to run as president even if she is war mongering fascist thug or would you rather we set things to rights with someone, male or female who will fight to represent the needs of America first, above Corporate interests or the military industrial complex?

[AlGore-08.com]

63. So Ann Coulter would make a perfect President just because she's female?

I'm a woman, and a feminist, but I still know that not every member of my gender would make an ideal President. Some of them would make really awful Presidents. Who thinks Barbara Bush the elder would be a great President? How about Condi Rice?

I have women I would enthusiastically support for President, but Hillary Clinton is not one of them. I think she showed appalling decision making skills when she voted for the war, for the Patriot Act, for No Child Left Behind, and some of her Senate speeches are cringe inducing. Read her enthusiastic endorsement of Michael Chertoff when she voted to confirm him head of Homeland Security and imagine that a male Senator said it, and ask yourself if you'd think "Now that's the kind of leadership we need in the White House!"

I'm just sayin'...

[opihimoimoi]

65. No one suggests we grab any woman off the street for the job

Whoever she turns out to be...she would have to go thru the same primaries. She would have to fight for the job. Answer questions, reveal her philosophies. Her history, etc, and be judged.

[mattclearing]

66. Nothing, as long as the script, the acting, and the execution don't suck.

:D

[opihimoimoi]

68. Are we talking about the Status Quo??? LOL

[mattclearing]

70. No, Commander-in-Chief.

Watched about half of last night's episode. Boy did it suck.

[opihimoimoi]

71. Bush sez he has a Philosophy....I wonder about that....what kind??

If we have a leader...shouldn't the philosophy be about the well being of the Nation/Planet? Bushies results show negative and all spin/BS.

If there should be another prez...next election...I can only hope we choose someone(woman or male) that has a better philosophy than Bushies...which seems self centered at the present time...

Damn.

[enough already]

67. As long as it's the right woman, nothing

Hillary ain't it, though.

[opihimoimoi]

69. Someday, the search/filter will yeild a good one. A woman to lead us into

the Future with dignity, class, wisdom, leadership, etc etc and Vision to do America right.

Bush is an example of what not to get... all those who supported BushCo should be ashamed..how they sleep at night beats me

[snappyturtle]

72. A woman wouldn't....

be so eager to send our children into war....period.

[opihimoimoi]

80. I would guess...Only if provoked....

[Fire Walk With Me]

73. In reality, nothing. To the good ol' boys currently in charge, everything.

Unless you're part of the crew, like Condi, who I wouldn't vote for. (Duh.)

[jackthesprat]

74. what evidence you have of gender determining behavior in politics?

I see none. Sen Feinstein voted against Roberts, yet many men confirmed him? Courage a female or male trait?

[opihimoimoi]

92. ??? Who said that?

Are you saying MEN have more Courage than WOMEN??

Courage to do what? Fight? Make War? Confront?

Courage comes in differing Levels and on differing subjects/aspects

It takes courage to LISTEN, to TRY NEW IDEAS, DO WHAT IS BEST FOR THE NATION, to Abandon old and counter productive projects...folding the hand, to gather input from all sides, to envision new and better ways to solve, etc....

We need to take stock and LOOK at what we got now...it could be so much better.....

[jackthesprat]

94. if your thesis is the biological, gender basis of war making,

I have seen no evidence on your part. Do you have any?

[opihimoimoi]

96. The vast majority of Aggression lies with MEN...not Women

Alexander
Ghengis Khan
Napoleon
Cromwell
Hitler
Mousolini
Tojo
Saddam
Xerxes
Ceasar
Brutus
Santiago
David
Mao


etc etc
By the thousands......

[jackthesprat]

101. confusing the fact that men have had the power,

with a gender based argument of biological determinism. Seems you avoid this, so no debate.

[Dark]

75. You mean like Margaret Thatcher? n/t

[FightinNewDem]

78. No, Condi Rice!

Seriously, it's about the person, not the gender.

Condi Rice? Liddy Dole? No way.

Janet Napolitano? Kathleen Sebelius? Mary Landrieu? Blanche Lincoln?

Much different story!

[opihimoimoi]

89. I never proposed we get a woman soley on her sex to lead the Nation

Its just that some peeps cannot live with the notion to the point of blocking any and all Female Candidates...

[opihimoimoi]

84. Margret was many things to different peeps....they all have pressures from

diff angles and sectors....

If and when America decides to gamble on a woman...I pretty sure she would be a good one having to pass through the filtering system now in place...Primaries and such.

Altho, I must say, the system let us down with re to Bush.

[paineinthearse]

77. This post is sexist

I prefer to choose my Representatives, Senators and Presidents based on their experience and qualifications, not solely their sex.

I will then make the determination and select the best candidate, be they male/female, black/white/brown/whatever, gay/straight, ......

[opihimoimoi]

79. Exactly... I agree...and what is more sexist than having the ole boy club

continue ad infinity? Thats what we see from many others...NO WOMEN, only MEN....

Our Society should be as you say: OPEN TO ALL. Let the filters take out the chaff....

[jackthesprat]

83. clarence thomas

right? he's african american. No, don't see the validity of your argument.

[opihimoimoi]

88. The filter broke down with partisan manuvering resulting in CT getting in

I still feel Anita was right...he shouldn't have been confirmed.

History shows he is wanting...not a very good judge...

[jackthesprat]

91. terrible

Just Scalia plus one.

[paineinthearse]

86. Yes, but

You miss my point.

If I lived in Tennessee and my choice for US Rep was between rethug Marsha Blackburn and a progressive (or even a centerist) male, I would choose the man.

Are you saying you would vote for Blackburn, based on her sex?

[opihimoimoi]

87. Only if she convinces you during the primaries/filter....that she is the

better candidate....if they are equal...do what your gut feelings tell you, or , flip a coin...

[paineinthearse]

90. I don't need campaign rhetoric to influence me

Just watching her opeate on the House floor makes me want to :puke:

[opihimoimoi]

93. Then you become part of the de facto filter at the poll, vote against her

and go with what you think best...

[rhett o rick]

95. You mean like Laura Bush? Don't scoff, it's been done before at the

governor level at least.

[opihimoimoi]

97. I don't think she could handle the job,,,she wouldn't make it past the

first primary...

No evidence of vision, leadership, and smarts to bring together a competent team to cover her down sides.

Another Gary Bower type...

[rhett o rick]

99. She can't be any worse than Bushy. He is just a front anyway. nt

[opihimoimoi]

100. The Nation would scoff at her even trying...IMOH anyway