How many in the GOP know that their party has been hijacked?

[texpatriot2004]

The neoconster gang has hijacked the GOP - that's the way I see it. My husband who was a life long Republican until this lying lunatic * came along thinks so too. I remember just before the "election" there were many Republicans supporting Kerry I think they must have understood that true conservatives were not running their party. I wonder how many of the people in the GOP actually get that?

I think for some people, especially the older Republicans (you know the WW II generation, not all of them, but many) it is hard, if not impossible for them to see their United States government as corrupt, wrong, or evil. You think?

[Psephos]

1. More than before the Miers nomination nt

[democracyindanger]

2. Zero

I've adopted the attitude of condescending pity towards my few Republican friends. I treat them like suckers who got played by a carny.

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

3. Oh, they know, but just like us, what can they do?

They can't just quit. Fighting gets them nowhere.

[PurityOfEssence]

4. Has it?

It really depends on what you consider the party to have traditionally been. If you look at it as the party of fiscal responsibility and reluctance to be involved in foreign affairs, then you're right, but that's a model that's MANY years gone.

If you look at it as the cold-blooded fixation of crushing all workers' rights, freeing corporations from any restraints, glorifying and subsidizing the rich and denying people any regulations that pertain to health and survival, then they're just the same old cheery bunch of chaps.

The recklessness with deficits is merely a chickenshit plan to hamstring the government to such an extent that all social programs can be shivved in a back alley. All other retrograde motions regarding human decency are strictly in line with the traditional selfish asshole credos of the party.

Money is god. Profit is all that matters. Anyone who didn't see this at the onset of the party prior to the Civil War was either stupid or focused on some other version of abuse.

Many decent people have been sold a bill of goods about personal responsibility and the freedom of restrictions that would loose the creative and independent power of the individual, but if they didn't see this as being coupled with the deliberate subjugation of the vast majority of people, they were either idiots or so selfish that the concept of other people would have been lost on them. Personally, as an optimist, I presume they were just oblivious.

The revisionist history that claims that the Republicans were straight-laced cloth-coated people who toed the line, took care of themselves and held their heads high is just a disgusting heap of shit. This was ALWAYS a party of bullying assholes who forced the weak to accept whatever was offered and demanded unlimited power and wealth.

Suckers who bought into the party line were mostly fools, and most of them were complicit in the parasitic abuse of their fellow humans.

[texpatriot2004]

9. Thanks for your thoughtful post about the GOP. I see your point

about the traditional party theory, the one of fiscal responsibility and not getting involved in foreign affairs.

I also see that the other behaviors you speak of are present in the current GOP.

I was curious what you mean by this part about the Civil War?
Money is god. Profit is all that matters. Anyone who didn't see this at the onset of the party prior to the Civil War was either stupid or focused on some other version of abuse.

[wiggs]

5. This is an important question!

The administration and media have spent 5 years trying to create extremem polarization between the left and the right so that the real battle would be disguised. The real battle is between all of us....DU'rs, freepers, progressives, conservatives, liberals, rednecks, nascar dads, soccer moms, gays, fundies...all of us TOGETHER (the vast majority), against all of them (a small minority): the neocons and corporatists.

Freepers and conservatives don't know it yet, but we should really be on the same side against a common enemy.

[texpatriot2004]

10. You're right about the real enemy; the neoconster gang and

the Corporatists.

[The Backlash Cometh]

6. I have to disagree, unless you're saying that the neo-cons were

clever enough to mine all the weaknesses of the Republican party.

I guess it wouldn't be too difficult to exploit a Republican. They are so insular, that as long as you put a brown face on the enemy, they wouldn't oppose the nuclear option. And with Muslims, they have found the perfect fall-guy. I even had one Republican tell me that we HAVE to go and fight Muslims, because Muslims want to conqueor the world. Like I said, I guess it wouldn't be too difficult to exploit a Republican.

[texpatriot2004]

11. Yeah, I guess that's what I mean, exploitation or maybe infiltration

but it's kind of easy because of the racism card you mentioned above and the money/corporate interests and the religious fundamentalists in the GOP...you know?

[mmonk]

7. How many in the Democratic party realize

there also is an attempt to hijack our party?

[rasputin1952]

8. There are some that will take this the wrong way, but the GOP

has some decent people in it. Not all conservatives are assholes, just as not all liberals are enlightened. Seems like every group has an 'agenda'; but the neo-cons are a horrid lot. They seek power, not through earning it,n or through debate, but by stealing it because they know that if they really had to 'go by the issues' they would lose miserably. The whole neo-con ideology is based in deceit and theft.

What is fascinating, is that those R's that have an education, and are bright enough to realize what happened, are the same ones who cower in fear over the perceived power of the neo-con establishment. They become beholding to them in the notion that they will be made powerless by the pseudo-powerful. Just as in the McCarthy era, someone needs to just stand up and tell them they have no shame, and they are not representative of the nation. Is this going to happen in the near future? Your guess is as good as mine, but it seems that some of the R's are beginning to stir, and might just take these jerks on.

It is a question of whether the R's that have a conscience will stand up to the evil they refuse to see. The neo-cons have fiscally destroyed the nation, they have gotten us into an unjust war, they have raped the nation of its precious metals/energy sources and have proceeded to ensure the destruction of the environment with utterly absurd relaxations of laws that make a joke of preservation/conservation. Citizens actually believe these people are doing this in the name of God, but they realize now, that the only gods the neo-cons have are greed and avarice.

For bush to crash, the R's have to create the proper mood to destroy him politically, just as the true party leaders set up Nixon to resign and be 'forgiven'. The neo-cons must be taken down by the GOP, with help from the Dem's. We can squawk, but we can't remove them. The more we point out the terror these people are bringing to the nation, the more readily the powers that be in the GOP will be enticed to crush the rebellion w/in their ranks.

[texpatriot2004]

12. I enjoyed your post; especially these points.

There is good and bad in both parties (all parties).

The neoconster gang is "horrid."
"The whole neo-con ideology is based in deceit and theft."
"That the only gods the neo-cons have are greed and avarice."

The R's ARE indeed stirring.

A very good question and a bit of a riddle.
"It is a question of whether the R's that have a conscience will stand up to the evil they refuse to see."

If the people make enough noise on this the politicians must abide by the obvious will of the people or fall from power. Period. So, I think you are right when you say:
"The more we point out the terror these people are bringing to the nation, the more readily the powers that be in the GOP will be enticed to crush the rebellion w/in their ranks."