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Ce qui la baise Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 07:42 PM
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Share your story about a republican that has seen Bush is a failure
Please.
I was listening to a local Air America Host, Christine Craft. She read a letter from a life long Republican who voted for Bush in 2000 & 2004. He was so pissed he eventually said he wished we could throw all the republicans out & bring back Clinton.
I've heard a few of these lately & just wondered if you had too. I'd like to see if we could figure out how bad it is. Thanks for sharing
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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 07:48 PM
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1. But, but, but . . . what about . . .
"Monica's blue dress?"

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Ce qui la baise Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:14 PM
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12. That sure is the diversion I hear.
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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:41 PM
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24. True, because there remains a small knotted hard-core essence
of symbiosis: neo-con idiots and religion-into-law zealots who are attached, anally, to George Walker Bush. However, the remainder of the Republican Party may be wavering away from Bush's frig-ups, e.g., deficit-spending, huge government programs to suck-ups, waste, domestic tragedy non-preparedness, as well as a horrendous foreign military non-preparedness in Iraq.

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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 07:49 PM
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2. Well this is just anecdotal, but my dad left the Republican party
when Bush ran for President. He doesn't like the Democrats any better, LOL, but he said the Republicans quit being about conservative fiscal policies right about then, and he can't stand all the governmental waste and hypocrisy. When he was Republican, he liked them bcs he thought the avg person would keep more money, govt would be smaller and they would be less likely to dictate personal lives (he thought the Democrats were meddling too much with individual choices).

He voted Nader in 2000 and Kerry in 2004.
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Ce qui la baise Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 07:50 PM
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3. He was a smart one. I wonder if they feel any responsibility at times.
I talk to them often on another board & they are in denial. Huge denial.
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 07:50 PM
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4. I am one
Voted Bush in 2000, by 2004 he'd turned me into a rabidly vegan feminist socialist pacifist civil-rights and anti-torture crusading ACLU member bonafide progressive.
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Ce qui la baise Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 07:51 PM
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5. LOL Welcome Another smart one. :)
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:18 PM
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15. You rock!!
That's a real turnaround. :-)

Hi, and welcome! :hi:
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 08:56 AM
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30. what a coincidence
My father also made similar changes, such as becoming vegetarian, regularly joining peacemarches and protests and massive letter-writing campaign. Maybe Bush is good for people????? (sarcasm)
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firefox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:01 PM
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6. Friday I was at a dinner with a life-long Republican
He must be near 80 as he fought at Bastone in the Battle of the Bulge. We were sitting in the living room on the bricks in front of the fireplace and he made a stunning confession. Now for a guy that was a sales executive he was so sweet, I could swear water would melt him faster than the wicked witch of the West.

It was like he had something that he had to say. He would be as upset as anyone can be that feels the betrayal of government after a lifetime of believing in the miracle of America, but if I were not right beside him I could not have heard his complaint. He said "I have voted Republican my whole life, but..." He thought it a bold statement to say that if *ran today, he did not think he would win. Then he talked about fighting in Bastone and said that they should take * and Cheney over to Iraq and put them to fighting.

He never raised his voice to a normal level even, but he was as mad as fire and his wife is even worse about *.
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Ce qui la baise Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:11 PM
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8. You just have to feel some compasion for him. I think older folks see a
spoiled brat.
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:07 PM
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7. When I met my husband over 20 years ago
he was a staunch Repub who never considered voting otherwise. Then came the banking scandals and the Iran-Contra mess in the 80s... later Bush 41 botched his lovely little war (prevented Stormin' Norman from rubbing out Saddam), and Hubs began to rethink his political stand. What a shocker for me when he voted for Clinton in '92 and again in '96... then for Gore in 2000 and Kerry in 2004, all while still registered Republican! He refuses to offically change his party affiliation but I can tell he is thoroughly disgusted with it anyway.

Now if I can just convince him that McCain is not the hero he thinks he is... ;)
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Ce qui la baise Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:12 PM
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10. Does he know McCain is stumping for the Boobengrabber? That
man is a RW whore. Good luck.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 07:51 AM
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27. Show him the photo of McCain and Shrub lovin' and remind him of McCain's
willful slavery to Bush.
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 10:29 AM
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31. Excellent suggestions
Thanks to you both and I'm already on it!
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BurgherHoldtheLies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:12 PM
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9. Republicans for Kerry....many of them
Early 90's: Ross Perot illuminated how fiscally irresponsible the modern day Republican party had become and the Rapturist Right was increasingly vocal and aggressive in their power grab of the party. So many Republicans in my family began voting for some Democrats, particularly at the national level and voted Clinton at least once. By the time W & Co came on the scene in 2000, I, along with many in my family, pulled the lever for Gore. By 2004, there were only 2 Republicans left in my family/inner circle who voted 'terra and taxes' for W.

We are the Northeast liberal Republicans types who DETEST the fiscally irresponsible and socially regressive Republicans currently in power.
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Ce qui la baise Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:13 PM
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11. I see many staunch RWers just now seeing the truth about GW
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BurgherHoldtheLies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:18 PM
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14. And you're in California?
Are these generational Republicans or new money type Republicans?
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Ce qui la baise Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:21 PM
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16. The ones I've heard about are Old school not Neo-cons.
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:23 PM
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18. I have horrible neo-cons in my CA town.
Racist, redneck, bigoted, neo-con, evil, haters. But this is a hick town.
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Ce qui la baise Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:26 PM
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21. Oh me too, I call it freeperville or Hooterville. I'm moving to a more
liberal town soon. I've had enough of being a minority. I've seen many signs lately saying BUSH LIED in the yard tho.
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:28 PM
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22. I too am planning a move.
Berkeley looks good. :-)
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Ce qui la baise Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 02:14 PM
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34. Davis is a great Liberal town too. To hot tho. :) Santa Cruz is my hope
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 07:54 AM
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28. If only Republicans would realize that Republicans have never been
fiscally responsible...they just shift your money to a bloated military and other corporate welfare.
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:17 PM
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A lady I work with... (great story)
Edited on Mon Oct-10-05 08:22 PM by Vektor
Life long Republican, voted for Reagan and Elder Bush, but never liked Bush junior.

She voted for Gore in 2000, mostly because she thought he was a capable candidate, (though a Dem!) and certainly seemed smarter and more experienced politically than Chimpy whom she said she always thought "might be a little bit stupid."

She voted for Kerry in 2004, and said "Bush proved during his first term that he was an idiot. So, again, I voted for the Democrat. This was a real departure for me. I had no doubt Kerry was very bright and able to do the job, though. Besides, it angered me that we had a draft dodger with no foreign policy experience trying to wage a war in a place we shouldn't even have been fighting and failing miserably."

I asked her what she didn't agree with about Iraq, and she said that she supported removing the "Hitlers and the Stalins and the Mussolinis and the Bin Ladens, and yes, even the Saddams from power, but that leveling the whole country of Iraq and occupying it for years on end with no exit strategy in sight was an absurd waste of life, money, and manpower." She also added she had no faith that we went in there for Saddam any more than we went in there for oil, and that it was a crying shame so many had to die for greed.

I asked her how she felt when Bush was reinstated and she said "I could not believe that mother fucker got re-elected." Then she touched the gold cross necklace she was wearing and said, "Excuse my language!"

I laughed heartily, and said "You know what? I'm not so sure he DID get "re-elected" - I find it very hard to trust an election result when the machines "counting" the votes are Bush's Republican friends, like Wally O'Dell, chair of the Ohio re-election committee for Bush."

At that point, I thought I went too far - most Republicans don't know about and don't want to hear about the fraud.

Imagine my surprise when her eyes got huge and she leaned in and whispered. "OH MY GOD! I thought the same thing!! I have never said anything to anyone because I thought they'd think I was NUTS. I totally think Bush had it rigged! I heard that that O'dell guy said that he would assure Bush the state of Ohio, and I thought, they are going to pull some tricks, I just know it." She said she got a sinking feeling when she saw the exit polls abruptly flip, and in all her years has never seen something quite like that.

She went on for a while and I sat reeling. There are Republicans that think the vote was stolen and that Bush is an ass?

She finally said "If there is one thing I have learned from the Bush Jr. presidency, it's that it doesn't always pay to vote just for your party. From now on, I am going to vote for the better candidate, because, well, sometimes your candidate sucks!"

After that, the thanked me for hearing her out and for being understanding and astute. She said that she liked talking to Democrats, because even if she didn't agree with them on all the issues, she could tell that their main motivating factor in their politics is that they care about people, especially the less fortunate. I told her it wasn't too late for her to switch to Dem, and she replied. "You never know what might happen" and smiled.

She's pretty ok for a Repub.
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Ce qui la baise Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:23 PM
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17. I think many are just like that. Nice to find out they are not all sheep.
Great story indeed.
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:24 PM
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20. Yeah, there is hope for her I think.
Edited on Mon Oct-10-05 08:25 PM by Vektor
I think like many of the more moderate members of her party, she is fed up and feels betrayed by this regime.
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Ce qui la baise Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:28 PM
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23. So many of the young ones are still hanging onto him. I say he needs
thrown out. Well all of them. 3 more years & no one will be able to fix this mess.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:17 PM
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13. Pat Buchanan on McLaughlin Group - good quote:
Referred to Harriet Miers as *s "faith-based initiative".

Its weird finding anything Pat Buchanan has to say as amusing...

Obviously, these are the end times.
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Ce qui la baise Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:24 PM
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19. Poor Pat seems to have some sort of detachment going on.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 11:28 PM
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25. my husband voted bush 2000, kerry 2004
and after he saw the election stolen changed from republican to independent and gets mad if i slip and call him a republican
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DaBruno Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 05:39 AM
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26. *salutes* I'm one, myself.
Didn't see the light till recently, but here I sit, wanting the buggers in office to dissapear just as badly as most of you here do.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 12:29 PM
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33. Welcome to DU!
n/t
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Ce qui la baise Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 02:15 PM
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35. Welcome, I'm happy you saw. Enough said. :)
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 08:14 AM
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29. Take these people back one year,...
and even knowing what they know now, would still vote for Bush.

I think many of us saw this coming after the election. Bush would look like the fool he is, once Kerry was out of the picture...

but,

If they had another election, and another opponent to attack, they would still be able to convince people to vote for this clown.
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MN ChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 10:42 AM
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32. A former colleague of mine flipped to Dem
This guy came from a long line of country-club Repubs. Dad was a doctor, and he even had a preppy nickname as a kid. Easygoing, tolerant, live-and-let-live kind of guy who leaned conservative for money reasons.

A few weeks ago over lunch he told me that Chimpy and the fundies scared him to death and that he is now "180 degrees against anything that * is for." He is terrified of the religious loonies and the insane defecit spending freaks him out. He's voting Dem these days.
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Ce qui la baise Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 02:17 PM
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36. That's what I'm seeing. Money isn't worth the mess Bush is making
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