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Ce qui la baise Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:31 PM
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What are the chances the next Pres. will be able to fix this mess?
If GeeDub stays his term will anyone be able to do anything about what GW has ruined, distroyed, eroded? Who would want to do this?
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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:33 PM
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1. I think it will take decades ... maybe a generation or two.
Call me an optimist.
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Ce qui la baise Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 10:24 PM
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26. Thank you all for answering. I try never to assume but Everyone made some
great points. I think we all need to be onboard. Bush has caused everyone to jump ship. I pray we all stick together during these tought times. We need to work to get Bush out so he doesn't do more damage. God help us all.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:35 PM
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2. Hey!
Welcome to DU, Ce qui la baise! :hi:

I've wondered the same myself. What are the chances so many of the total crap bills that have been passed will be reversed? Also, what other atrocities can this corrupt administration & their lapdog congress put in place in the next 3 years?
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:36 PM
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3. Depends on what the makeup of Congress is.
One PResident can only do so much. A President backed by a Congress composed of the mostly sane can do a lot more. The present Congress can't even agree to bring a bill to help the poorest citizens pay their heating bills this winter to a vote this year.

2006 matters a lot. We can't contemplate 2008 until we get a saner Congress in place.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:36 PM
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4. The Presidency is an office bought and paid for
He who has the gold wins the game. Nothing will change until the gloabal economics dictate the need for change. It won't happen because of morals or values or ideologies. Its all about money now. The only thing that the power hawks in Washington respect is money.
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hwmnbn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:36 PM
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5. slim and none......
If we're lucky. There is some serious overhauling that needs to be done. Starting with election laws and campaign finance.

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INdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:14 PM
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21. Our nations future depends on the 2006 elections
If the Democrats dont regain control of both houses its over..
If the Republicans retain control, then election fraud becomes status quo and the White House stays in the hands of the crooks..
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:38 PM
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6. 0. Peak oil will have rendered us dead by then.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:38 PM
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7. Personally, I wouldn't want the job.
It's like a zookeeper taking over the pen of a herd where the elephant keeper has been goofing off for 8 years.

I'm not so sure that the United States will ever recover from this disaster. It is certainly the worst of modern times.

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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:38 PM
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8. No chance in hell. The worst part is - if a Democrat is pres the repubs
will blame him or her for not getting us out of this mess. If the repub stay put, we will just get deeper and deeper.

We need to have the repub party in jail and shown to be so corrupt and traitorous that no one will ever vote for then again.
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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:39 PM
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9. Bill Clinton took over after 12 years of repukes
and did just fine. Smart people with a will can do anything. Repukes want it this way, a destruction of government, it doesn't have to be this way. Look what FDR did after hoover....
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:02 PM
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19. I'm with you...
For you young 'uns, it bears remembering that as late as 1992, the conventional wisdom was that it would take an economic miracle to balance the budget, and even then it would be decades before it could happen. It took common sense, a Democratic Majority in Congress, and about two years.

The country will heal faster than you think with the right President.
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evlbstrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:39 PM
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10. We need an FDR for the new century.
The drastic damage done will likely require drastic countermeasures which could far surpass the New Deal. What we are experiencing now could be the birth pangs of a truly progressive democracy.
Wow, I'm in an upbeat mood today.
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:40 PM
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11. Gore knows enough to clean up this mess.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:40 PM
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12. It's Depends on Us
not just the President. We have to take things into our own hands by pressuring Congress and/or getting politically involved. We need to network!
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:41 PM
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13. Gore. He actually sees the problems.
And he's an energetic bunny about going to work and getting it done.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:42 PM
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14. I have not read a paper with ideas on how we can recover our industrial
base.

All the assertions that unconstrained capitalism is the best for the U.S. are revealed as a pack of lies. They were merely cover for the one-half percent who own over 40% of our financial wealth and control every multinational corporation to tighten their grip on our government and create a plutocracy with a corporate state government.

Hitler must be laughing in hell because he lost the war but his ideas are winning the peace.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 10:37 PM
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27. You're right. I doubt if we even make our own toothbrushes.
Without decent jobs, we are socially vulnerable to both the extreme left and the extreme right, as were Germany and Russia.

If we are too dependent on other countries for the necessaries, our room to maneuver internationally is limited.

Everyone seems to grasp this with respect to oil and gas, but no one seems to grasp it with respect to industrial and scientific know-how.

I liked many of the things that Clinton did, but not WTO, NAFTA and MFN for China. It seemed that Clinton's brilliant mind simply could not see through the corporate bullshit.

My guess is that any budding economist could not get tenure by bucking the current orthodoxy.
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:43 PM
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15. I'd bet it'd be a mess even if he doesn't serve out the term.
The next president better damned well have his or her shit together. This is such a big mess, and so much is broken so badly that it's going to take a huge effort to first overcome the damage to people's faith in government, then begin to put things right.

I don't see anyway that this can happen easily except through a full accounting of what happened. At long last we need the truth, and the facts.

It ain't gonna be easy.
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:50 PM
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16. Depends on whether or not we have a free and fair election, or if the
reThugs will retain control of the voting machines/vote counting process.
If BBV isn't resolved, no chance.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:55 PM
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17. We must remain optimistic and find a strong, honest ,smart leader
The job will be very hard and the new person will be gingriched from the right immediately- hell, they are planning the impeachment now- in case he/she wins.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:02 PM
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18. 3
fat, slim and none.
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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:06 PM
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20. "Fix(ing) this mess" will take more than a politically progressive
Edited on Mon Oct-10-05 09:06 PM by TaleWgnDg
"Fix(ing) this mess" will take more than a politically progressive president and congress in the immediate future.

"Fix(ing) this mess" can only mean that the balance of the U.S. Supreme Court should be progressive legal "philosophy." And, frankly, I don't see that happening due to the unfortunate fact that George Walker Bush holds the balance of the Court in his hands. He gets to pick who sits on SCOTUS bench; thus, who votes for the next 30 or so years on SCOTUS cases. And, who's SCOTUS opinions have legal impact upon America (and beyond) for the next 80 or 100 years!

So. As I said, it will take more than the next president to "fix this mess" that the American people have voted themselves into . . .





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dennis00 Donating Member (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:41 PM
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23. Next president
It seems to me that if the Bush presidency is found to be illegitimate because the election was rigged, then everything he has done, including his SCOTUS appointments, will also have to be ruled illegitimate.
Roberts and whomever will be either re-appointed or replaced. Bolton will be replaced at the UN.
Now I know what the term "the bush leagues" means. Coulter and Limburger, all the Bush apologists, all Bush team members, all Bush supporters, are the Bush leagues. This includes Harris, W.O'Dell, ad Blacwell.:dem:
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:28 PM
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22. I don't think so
Americans are going to have to step up to the plate. I just don't have much faith in the American spirit or the intelligence of the American people anymore.
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:53 PM
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24. It is going to be TOUGH ...
As some noted, first off, the Ds HAVE to get working numbers in both sides of the house in 2006 ... It has to be in place for whoever the D is going to be (ASSUMABLY) ...

I know that the Big Dog cleaned up a mess, but 8 years of Reagan and 4 of the elder Bush wasn't NEAR the damage this idiot and a R dominated house will have created ... Reagan had BAD policy, as did big Bush, but they were relatively responsible adults and had to answer to Ds in the House ... They didn't get EVERY LITTLE THING they wanted ...

This clown is an idiot, he is mean and hates our way of life, and has had complete free reign in the house, which similarly is dominated by a party that hates our way of life ...

It is going to be hard, and the Rs, again, assuming the D can get it back, are going to whine like massive she dogs, they are going to lie, cheat, steal ... It will make the middle 90s look like a love fest ...
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 10:02 PM
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25. It would take a Dem:
Who is a true leader, and who truly understands the damage that has been done to this country.

It would take a Dem who is willing to cover EVERY base in the government with a COMPETENT, exceptional type human being, supremely qualified in their field, and a Dem who would sieze the FULL power that has been handed the executive office over these years of the maniac we currently have there...and who wouldn't be afraid to USE IT at every turn.

It would take a Dem who is willing to unleash a tremendous BACKLASH against the corporate media, the voting machine companies, the corporations in general, the Fed, and the sleeziness that has taken over programming our country, in order to eventually bring things back to the middle, where people are comfortable with "the rules" again, and where the rules are fair.

It would take a very strong, teflon coated, charismatic Dem visionary, who was not afraid to wield the power of the office. Someone who was one step ahead of the fascist element, and the military industrial complex.

All in all...it will take a miracle. O8)

:kick:



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