Dick Morris on FOX now: No one can challenge Hillary for nomination.

[Clarkie1]

Do you agree or disagree?

Also, they are pushing the Condi Rice again on the Republican side.

[NewJeffCT]

1. Al Gore could certainly challenge her

and, he could possibly win.

[David Dunham]

20. I agree. And, unlike Hillary, Gore can actually win the general election

[Tiggeroshii]

43. He'll just have to do it again for it to be official...

[blm]

75. IMO, I don't think Hillary could win debates against Gore or Kerry

They both are extremely well-qualified and know government inside and out and with the same eye for detail that is her strongsuit.

[Clark2008]

103. So could Wes Clark.

He's have the best shot at flipping some red states.

[grannylib]

2. I just wish everyone would quit looking that far ahead and concentrate on

removing every goddamn reThug possible in 2006...
2008 is still a long ways away. Work to be done beforehand.

[Skink]

7. Boxer could certainly challenge her.

I think she wants to run against Condi either in a CA Governors race or the national election.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

66. Your point about 2006 is well taken, but

a new politics is emerging. News cycles and political campaigns are now continuous. Cyberspace is now in the process of replacing TV as the dominant force in politics. We are seeing a populist debating process on this website which has never been possible in recorded history and I think it's a good thing. Activists will play a greater role in the nomination process, replacing the pre-TV "smoke-filled room" methodology and the TV-era money-raising methodology.

Dean has said we must run campaigns for four years and in 50 states and I agree. So we are fighting for the soul of the party and perhaps the people shall decide, finally.

That said, I look for potential candidates (and their organized supporters) to focus like a laser beam on 2006 races after Jan. 1. To do otherwise would not be pragmatic, because of the backlash criticism that would follow.

The real excitement of presidential politics will probably mean MORE activity for 2006 candidates, as boosters try to increase their own influence locally by volunteering for congressional candidates.

Excitement is a good thing if the energy can be channeled. I think it will be.

[Talismom]

3. I'm getting annoyed with this assumption that she will be the inevitable

nominee. There are a lot of good reasons to question such a choice and look elsewhere. It's beginning to feel like a MSM drumbeat--the kind that I've learned to distrust.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

67. The GOP would like to run against HRC for many reasons,

e.g. she energizes their base, she has baggage, no military experience (double standard makes it worse because of her gender), Bill-baggage on morality, etc. But all of these are less significant, IMO, than one salient fact:

She is a northern senator. Historically, that makes her chances bad. Senators almost never succeed when they run for president. Can anyone find another besides JFK?

[iconoclastNYC]

73. I'm so sick of this : NO NORTHERNER WILL EVER WIN

How many Southern States did Kerry lose? What states did he need to win to win the presidency? Ohio or Flordia. We don't need to suck up to the south to win.

Geography should not be a factor anymore than sex or race should be.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

77. Occaisionally northerners win,

but it's a disadvantage. Nixon's southern strategy has been fully implemented. Every southern state went red in 2004 (although it also happened in 1984 and 1988).

But every time we've run a southerner, we've won at least one southern state. Not to do so is a huge strategic advantage. I think a southern Dem also plays better with moderates in border states like Missouri and rust belt states like Ohio.

I agree that the role of the south in presidential politics is changing. But the reality remains that a Republican from any state can now do well in the south, while for a Dem, geography matters.

I'm not saying the double standards used by much of the electorate are fair or desirable, just a reality. We ran a nothern senator against a vulnerable incumbent in 2004 and lost.

I agree with Dean that we must run in all 50 states. That makes a southern candidate more attractive in the abstract. History is not an absolute predictor, but it should be considered. I think the GOP intelligentsia is cognizant of this.

[nsd]

83. Gore is a southerner but he didn't ...

win any southern states -- except, of course, for Florida. Simply being from the South isn't enough to put southern states into play. I doubt that any of the Southerners who have been mentioned for 2008 (e.g., Mark Warner) would have any special attraction in any southern state but their own.

[drummo]

89. If you win Florida and every Gore state you are president

The rest of the South doesn't matter.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

108. Florida is critical.

It has been and easily could be again, the difference.

But a northern senator, such as HRC, will have more trouble with moderates nationally, not just regionally. Also, being a senator means you have to defend your voting record. Unless she reverses on Iraq, she will have trouble contrasting herself on foreign policy. I believe this might have been the difference in 2004 for Kerry, i.e. the lack of contrast.

[iconoclastNYC]

122. Thank you.

We can't run campaigns according to "conventional wisdom" and "by the book".

Howard Dean's campaign demonstrated that there is a huge pent up demand for candidates who talk and act like REAL PEOPLE, not false peopel created by years of being in politics and being shaped and molded by swing-voter worshiping political consultants.

I'm so sick of this notion that there is some sort of checklist of gatekeeper objectives we have to apply to the candidate.

The choice should be: who speaks to the american people as adults...who will get us excited and motivate us to do more than just bitch and maybe show up to the polls even if IT'S NOT RAINING or there are 3 hour lines, or the GOP has thugs out.

Call me crazy but I want riots the next time the GOP tries to stop us from voting. If the GOP can stage a fake riot of capital hill staffers to stop a court-ordered recount then I say we storm the Board of Elections the next time some partisan GOP hack secretary of state decides to short change our districts with machines. Maybe we'd get a revote.

[Clark2008]

104. Florida's not a Southern State?

Since when?

Yes - we DO need to "suck up" (your words) to the ENTIRE country - not just the South, but we need to INCLUDE them instead of simply ignoring them (us - I'm a Southerner who's TIRED of the Democratic Party ignoring me).

But the point should be that we need to win a couple of RED STATES, whether they're in the South or the mid-West.

[AspenRose]

78. ME TOO

I'm getting tired of the GOP propping up Hillary. You are right about the echo chamber. It's deafening.

[bee]

82. me too.

its like, if they shove it down our throats enough... eventually we'll start to believe it. But the more I hear it, the more Im emphatically opposed to the whole idea. Im sick of it.

[AtomicKitten]

118. Let 'em cackle about Hillary.

It'll keep 'em busy. In the meantime, Al Gore can be the stealth candidate while Hillary is busy winning in NY.

PS: Dick Morris is a whiny bitch.

[The Jacobin]

4. Where is "Dick Morris is a Moron" choice?

:beer:

[gardenista]

5. I would like nothing more than to run ANY Democratic candidate against

mistress Rice. She is tainted, and will be so in 2008.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

6. Toe-Sucker Morris is totally full of crap.

He's obsessed with Hillary and has been flogging her "candidacy" since forever -- probably so he'll have a chance to fall in with Pox News and the other wingnuts and bring her down. I'm not a big Hillary fan but Morris should just STFU. Nobody gives a crap what that fuckwit thinks anyhow.

[Talismom]

9. You got that right! n/t

[medeak]

8. wish Elisabeth Edwards would run n/t

[az chela]

17. AGREE

I love Elizabeth Edwards and her husband.They are awesome people.Geez they cant win they actually care about people

[AmericanDream]

18. Nah... her husband should!!! n/t

[medeak]

31. have you ever seen her in person?

she's much more articulate and approachable than husband. I just loves her!

[AmericanDream]

32. Yup.... both of 'em....

I don't consider being "approachable" a qualification to be commander-in-chief. I think she is a nice, smart lady who would do very well as a first lady, however, leading this nation? C'mon ... you gotta be kidding me.

Her husband is much more politically savvy and quick on his feet, besides being compassionate, visionary, and intelligent.

I like 'em both as human beings... but Elizabeth Edwards doesn't have the traits to be president. I can see her in a lower political office though. In fact, Hillary has better qualifications and qualities that comprise an effective leader... and that isn't saying much ;)

Mrs. Edwards would make a fine first lady though... a breath of fresh air from the likes that we have had in the past years.

Have you seen her husband in person, btw?

And, of course, she'll be more approachable... she isn't/wasn't the candidate.

The fact that you love her as a person, doesn't really qualify her to be president.... :)

[medeak]

33. disagree

I think she comes off as more grounded and not fake. Her husband is too rehearsed.

From a woman's point of view I view her as more intelligent... and it's refreshing not to have a candidate that is constantly talking the talking points.

[AmericanDream]

34. I'm a woman too :)

Well, I think you haven't seen edwards. Sure, he is a very polished/sophisticated man.... how does that make him rehearsed or fake? However, he is as nice as her, if not more, if you've ever met him in person.

Did you watch him on the daily show? Try the following link to download it and see for yourself that he is a genuine person:

http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1KIL1GFSD1QBC1SK6P8IWWAYX8

I like them both... I think they share a lot of good qualities. However, just being a nice person is not qualification enough to be President... it takes more than that and I think he's the one who has that.

[medeak]

35. have you heard her speak alone?

am not talking about being a "nice" person...

[AmericanDream]

36. Yup....

I've actually been able to talk to her individually after a rally... and also been to a townhall meeting with her.

Like I said, she is a nice, smart, well-informed woman...however, that isn't enough....

She doesn't motivate me or inspire me to go out there and fight for this country... like a true leader should. She doesn't ignite that passion, and neither does hillary for that matter. Both these ladies, while wonderful, don't have their husbands' political talents. She is not the one who has been traveling around the country meeting with the poor & looking for solutions to help them prosper. In fact, she hasn't even done anything in the public service arena. I want a leader in my next President.... who besides being compassionate, smart, well-informed, and intelligent (which both the Edwardses are) is also a visionary with plans for this country. Her husband has a very strong vision for social and economic justice, which I believe we need desperately.

Nevertheless, I don't know why we are even having this discussion... it was just a wishful comment on your part to begin with.

[I_am_Spartacus]

41. I've approached Edwards, and he's incredibly normal and average

and natural when you interact with him one-on-one.

I was standing right in front of him during a speech, and I have to admit, my body language was that I wasn't buying what he was saying at all. While this was going on he kept looking at me. I could tell that he was going into closing argument mode. Just like he's probably done successfully with thousands of jurors he was looking right at me because he could probably tell that I was the one juror who wasn't on his side.

After the speech, I approached him and talked to him about something from his speech and it was like talking to your significant other's father, when you like him. He was 100 times more natural talking afterwards than he was in his speech. I'm not saying that that sold me on what he was saying. But I am going to say that it was a really interesting experience. I didn't even really realize what happened until I walked away. I had to remind myself that I'd never talked to him before my life and that I didn't know him and really still didn't know him, even though it felt like I did while I was talking to him.

I should also say that I was in a room of about 20 people with his wife once. It was like listening to my very liberal mother talking. I really didn't disagree with a single thing she said, so I didn't bother talking to her afterwards. She may be approachable and natural one-on-one, but I can't speak from experience about it.

[I_am_Spartacus]

42. I think JRE is a discplined campaigner, and natural one-on-one

EE is a natural campaigner, and I presume that she's natural in person.

I watched her get in an argument about free trade with someone who thought that cheap overseas labor was all good. She went back and forth with this guy for a long time, very politely, and NATURALLY. At the end of it, she said, "look, the US can't go on not making anything. We cant survive as a service economy." It was good and fine, but I'm not sure a lot of the audience really understood on a visceral level what was being debated.

While listening, I thought, I bet John Edwards would have a disciplined pithy response that, if not conversational enough, would at least leave people waliking away with an idea on visceral level about what Edwards believes in.

I think that's why he's running for president and she's the person behind the man. I suspect she and he have conversations about the issues all the time, and then he reduces all these complicated ideas down to their crack cocaine version so that peole can really feel the issues.

[AmericanDream]

44. He was famous for that....

One of his opponents in the court said that Edwards had this knack for mastering every complex issue and then breaking it down into simple terms to explain to the jury... he was known for that.

Plus, when you are the candidate... you have to watch what you are saying... you can't just say everything you think of. You CANNOT be conversational.

No one really cares about what the Veep candidate's wife is saying (unless its something very controversial) to people in a closed door meeting.... however, whatever the candidate says is recorded and haunted by the media and his opponents. So, not only does he has to be convincing but smart about how he frames the issues... and that I think is one of Edwards' biggest strengths. And that is another reason why I think Elizabeth Edwards would be a poor candidate... she doesn't have the political savvy that people like her husband, bill clinton, and hillary clinton do.

I remember meeting Edwards first at a closed-door meeting and he was so policy-wonkish and cerebral about every issue... right from social security to the Middle East to tax reform. However, when he went outside to address the crowd, he diluted his message into simple, language (instead of carrying on with more technical, policy-laden language) that people could understand. And, that I think is a great talent. He doesn't talk over people, he talks to them.

As for being a disciplined campaigner... frankly, you need discipline to get your message some attention on the national stage ... if he wouldn't have repeatedly given his "Two Americas" speech and changed it every other day, no one would have noticed. He understands that to stand for something, you have to develop a message and keep pushing it through. Look what happened to Kerry, who couldn't find a message to stick to... even today, most people have hard time figuring out what was the core of his campaign message. Clinton had economy, stupid and healthcare... Kerry had precious little in terms of a disciplined message or a narrative to tell.

[I_am_Spartacus]

46. I agree with that 100%

That's all very true. Excellent analysis.

[drummo]

91. Visionary? Edwards? What did he predict which became reality?

He voted for the war. He didn't know what he was doing -- except that he was going to run for president so he thought supporting the Iraq war was a must. (tough on terrorism image)

[I_am_Spartacus]

113. That two americas is the real story of what is wrong with our country

[drummo]

124. Hardly. She is more irritating than her husband.

But most of all: she is a horrible decision maker on policy matters (see Iraq, Patriot Act, missile defense) and an opportunistic trim.

[dchill]

10. "Dick Morris on FOX..."

says it all. It is the Republicans who want Hillary as the nominee - they think they can beat her. The DLC might want Hillary, too, but real Democrats want Al Gore - or Wes Clark - or...

[AspenRose]

79. That's exactly what I told my republican husband last night

He was talking about this stupid book about Condi vs. Hillary. I told him REAL Democrats don't want Hillary, but the GOP sure does, and they want her BAD. Tried to explain grassroots Deanesque Democrats vs. DLC.

He was surprised. He also didn't think Gore stood a chance in '08.

That's pretty telling....based on that reaction, perhaps we should try to recruit Gore to give it another go!

[drummo]

92. Did he explain why he thought Gore didn't have a chance

or was it just the usual knee-jerk reaction?
Actually, what does he know about Gore at all?

[dchill]

111. "Gore ... give it another go!"

Totally agree. He's already been elected once, after all.

[Lexingtonian]

11. 'Dick Morris on Fox'

How could that phrase not give you a clue that you were going to hear a pile of right-wing provocation bullshit?

[longship]

12. Hillary ain't gonna run.

nt

[Donna Zen]

23. That would be a surprise

...to all of the people she has hired for this run.

[longship]

25. I know, but I still do not think she'll run.

Especially if Pelosi is in the White House. (That's a long shot, but it's possible.)

Also, like many people, I do not think Hillary can win. Of all the Dems I know, not many even want her to run. Only Hillary herself seems to be wanting it. That's not a good enough reason.

We need a leader, not a follower. Hillary is no leader.

[skipos]

52. "Of all the Dems I know, not many even want her to run." Yup. NT

[second edition]

68. Good point! She doesn't lead does she? She waits to see what

point of view is popular at the moment or what strategy seems the most promising. Phony. I'm sorry, but she does not come off as genuine at all. Four years of Hillary? Please no! This would be a disaster. Bad for the country and Dems, but good for the media and the Repubs.

[MadisonProgressive]

86. We've already had the Clenis, now we want the Clagina?

[second edition]

106. I would love to see a woman president , I just don't think it should

be Hillary Clinton.Actually, I would still like to see Kerry run again.

[nsd]

85. How is it possible for Pelosi to be in the White House? /nt

[MadisonProgressive]

87. This scenario

The Dems take back the House in 2006, Bush and Cheney are impeached and Pelosi becomes President by default.

[CoffeeCat]

13. Republicans and their operatives...

...are working harder to nominate Hillary, more-so than the Dems are!

This is exactly what they did with Kerry.

I loved Kerry and he would have made a great President. However, the Reps were salivating for a Kerry candidacy. They had the Swift Liars waiting in the wings and Kerry's extensive voting record that they could use to peg him a "tax and spend liberal" and a "flip flopper."

Kerry was an easy target for them, just as Hillary is.

They can't wait to bring up White Water, Vince Foster, Travelgate. They can't wait to start rumors that she's a lesbian. Most of all, they can't wait to drudge up Monica. And who knows...what else they have up their slimy sleeves--comparable to the Swifties. They have a plan, and they can't wait.

If I liked Hillary, I'd say--who cares about their evil plots. But you know what...I don't like her. She cavorts with the Bush's during a time when our nation's democracy is at stake. She's pandering to everyone, and she's often silent on critical issues. She's no Conyers. She's no Gore. She's a career politician, owned by the corporations.

She's wrong on so many levels for the Dems right now. We need someone who can turn this ship around.

[amandabeech]

45. All they'll have to do is show photos of Bill and Hill in the Oval Office.

Or just Bill in the Oval Office.

I just don't know any independents or moderate Repugs who can stomach the thought of Bill running around the White House again. Clinton fatigue is alive and well.

I doubt if I'm the only Dem to envision those ads.

I think that unless * pulls out after an Iraq election based on a new Constitution, we'll still be there in 2008 and no one will be happy. At that point, anyone who voted for the IWR will be heavily tarnished, especially in Democratic eyes.

That's why the governors are looking so good. Folks here have mentioned Warner and previously some were talking Vilsack. Don't we also have a couple of fairly conservative Southern governors, too?

[AspenRose]

80. "This is exactly what they did with Kerry"

You are spot on. Rush Limbaugh was practically salivating over Kerry in the primaries.

You are so, so right. But will the Democrats (DNC) learn the lesson?

Why on earth would Democrats want to nominate someone the GOP is constantly campaigning for? It makes no sense.

[Mend]

14. She will have to go through some tough primaries with some top

candidates like Gore and Clark and Kerry and others. She will have to defend her war. If she can beat all these guys, then she deserves to get it but she has to get through them first.

[Yupster]

28. Maybe, but I don't think so

I think that the day she announces will be the last anyone ever hears of any other Democratic candidate running for president.

The press will go on a 24 hour Hillary watch and it will last for weeks at least. The other candidates won't get a bit of air time or money.

The average Democratic primary voter won't even know anyone is running against her.

Tha's my opinion, but I've been wrong before.

[Dawgs]

53. Exactly!!!!!!

You are dead on. Hopefully, Hillary fatigue will kick in... just like it did for Dean.

[drummo]

94. Trust me if Gore announced the press would go on a 24 hour

Hillary vs Gore duell watch.

For them it would be a Clinton vs Clinton match.

And if Hillary annouces and Gore waits then he announces -- out of the blue -- you bet the press would be shocked to the core.

Haha it would be fun to watch those idiots.

[drummo]

93. Just a note:

Candidates never beat candidates.
Voters beat voters.

Elections are not chessgames where the winner and loser are made by two individuals. They are decided by millions of usually ignorant, misinformed, delusional, sentimental voters.

Hillary cannot beat Gore and Gore cannot beat Hillary.
Only Gore voters can beat Hillary voters or vice versa.

Remember it's always the people.

[hogwyld]

98. Not exactly...

Aren't we all forgetting something??? Rove has the keys to Diebold, so he can dial up any candidate he wants. :tinfoilhat:

[Dinger]

15. Is Dat A Fuckin' Fact Toe-Sucker???

Heavy on the sucker too. This all-out BS on Hillary is just that, bullshit. It could be one of two things (that the repugs think):

1) Hillary will be easy to defeat, so the "MSM" puses her - HARD

or -

2) She is impossible for anyone to beat, Dem or repug, so if we praise her,
the Dems will get suspicious, and reject her, and thus, reverse psychology
worked.

Which is it?

Damn, I should have made a poll out of this.

[Clarkie1]

16. Condi/Hillary speculation is part of a Rovian right-wing strategy...

to influence the nomination of Hillary as the Democratic nominee.

If Dems think Condi has a chance, they are more likely to vote for Hillary in early primaries and caucuses especially. Here's why:

The fear of a Black Republican woman nominee running against a White Democratic male nominee. They hope that fear will cause more Dems to vote for Hillary, in order to prepare to face Condi (when in fact Condi will never get the nomination, it's just a cynical ploy).

[nvliberal]

38. Don't be too sure about Condi.

The neocons call all of the shots, and they will NOT pick a McCain or a Hagel or a Giuliani. The person MUST be a puppet, so that basically means either George Allen or Condi Rice will get the nod.

If Hillary is crazy enough to run and get nominated, Condi will almost certainly be talked into running for the job.

[drummo]

96. Condi said she would not run.

She was unambiguous.

[Seabiscuit]

19. Hillary/Schmillary. Pfshaw!!!

[Vox_Reason]

21. The best thing that could happen

Would be for Hillary to absorb all this reich-wing hatred and money-raising, and then decline to run. Tons of repug money and energy wasted as a result.

We'd have to have a really good ticket to put up after that--but I think that can be done.

[Donna Zen]

24. I don't see a way to stop her...

The Clintons can put the brakes on the money, and shut out any candidate. anytime they damn well please.

This isn't about who would be best for the country--I mean look at some Hillary's votes--this is about who controls the levers of power: money, endorsements, the Democratic machine.

Think about what just happened to Paul Hackett. They shut him down.

Morris is a fuckhead, but even a disgusting fuckhead can be right at times.

We could stop her, but we are not unified. The worst part is Hillary's gonna lose. You do understand that...this is about her ego.

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

49. Yes, we can stop her with Gore especially, also Clark and Boxer

Al Gore has a latent team of operatives who are salivating at the prospect of his entering the fray again in 2008. And because Gore has been impassioning the Democratic base, speaking against Iraq and torture at Guantanamo Bay-- in direct contrast with Hillary, who has been kowtowing to the War Party on these crucial issues-- Gore has people fired up. Hillary has already angered about half the Democratic base, and at least 1/3 of Dem voters now would likely go third party if she were nominated for the Dem ticket. Nobody wants a warmonger, especially on the Democratic side, and millions of people would defect to one of the many antiwar 3rd party candidates who are springing up everywhere.

Gore in 2008 would be a masterstroke. I've never been so fired up about our prospects before-- it would be a landslide.

[Donna Zen]

56. Split in ABH

In the primaries money, endorsements, and machine are the factors effecting the vote. Very few individuals and nearly zero organizations will endorse anyone but Hillary. Think about the unions (not necessarily their members) who will come out. Also, individual state and local critters know who's been buttering their bread ($), their staffs are important to running a presidential primary. It's the internal machine of the Democratic party that is set to go into action. As one article recently put it (paraphrase) "...in every Democratic institution, there are Clintonites under all the floor boards." Who do you think Boxer will endorse? I'm betting Hillary.

Finally, think about the media circus about to ensue. Bill, who is already on the trail, will be out and about in every primary state.

My personal take on this: we spend plenty of time writing and calling the national Democrats when issues are on the table. Some of those folks come through, stand up, and join us even though they risk their jobs. Often times, Democrats holding safe blue seats, fail to meet the test (think the IWR vote). On these boards we rant and rave, swearing to hold their feet to the fire, but will we? Do we? No, when the time comes, we too fail the test, because others taunt us about "carrying Rove's water." And so we give, we work, we vote, for people who have let us down. I see us once again doing the same thing that continually allows the corporate Democrates to get their "free pass" and thus, send the message, that they can do whatever they damn well please because in the hole that we're digging, we are willing to go deeper for fear the creepy republicans will get us.

I'm fairly sure, checking my internal senses, that I will stop digging the hole. I'm friggin sick and tired of watching the entire mess. The Democratic machine only makes me feel damn powerless, and posts about "hooray Hillary" make me feel worse.

[drummo]

97. Not anymore. Dean raised enough money from small donors

That was 2003 and 2004. By 2008 this tactic would be even more sophisticated. Hillary is not cyberly popular. (I just came up with that phrase )B-) She can't do that.
Gore would get the Dean guys and get money from small donors not from the beltway gurus.
Otherwise how would Hillary use all that money? Pay for TV ads to
bash Kerry? Or Gore? Or Clark? These people are already well known by the Democrats. TV ads will not make them change their mind.
And the most money is spend for TV and radio ads.

Money will not make the 2008 Dem candidate.

[Gman]

22. Gotta agree the nomination's Hillary's if she wants it

and that's not to say she won't have opponents in the primaries. But the primaries will only be formalities. Both Bill and Hillary are two of the very best pure politicians we have seen in more than just one generation. Any primary challenger that misunderestimates her ability to appeal to all but the radical RW does so at his/her own political peril. Her appeal to all middle class women will amaze all and alienate many RW husbands. It will be magic. Hide and watch!

And Dick Morris may be a toe-sucking drunk, but he knows Bill and Hillary and he knows exactly how good these two are.

[second edition]

64. Pres. Clinton may be a campaigner, but Hillary only ran one time

against a schmuck. No competition there. Franky, I think you overestimate her appeal to all but the RW people. I'm a middle class woman and I don't find her appealing at all. Nor do a majority of my friends. Seems like the "her appeal to the middle class women" is the new Hillary spin.

[Clark2008]

105. Middle class woman NOT for Hillary, as well.

She's hyper rich and wouldn't know my interests or concerns if it hit her on the head.

This middle-class white woman is voting for Clark. He lived off less than $50,000 for most of his career. He and his wife KNOW what I live through, daily.

[Gman]

112. I don't know that "appeal to middle class women" is a "new" spin

because that's just what I think. And I think that because I remember that 1992 campaign so very well. That whole 1992 thing will happen again.

Will it work again in November? That I don't know.

[drummo]

99. Bull. Women do not vote for women just because they are women.

[Donna Zen]

110. Bill is a very good politician

Hillary is so so. I would like to see her running without her last name and see if people would still be selling Hillary. I doubt it very much.

She does have a very good media team, and I'm sure her handlers are just great.

Actually, for me, Hillary Clinton is the poster child of why I don't like politicians, and why our democracy is at risk.

Dick Morris knows exactly what money and power can buy.

[drummo]

125. Bill is a very good politician? Then how did Newt beat the shit out

of him in 1994 with his revolution?
And why did a "good politician" need a political hack like Dick Morris to figure out how to win in 1996 after losing the Congress?
Didn't he know that on his own? He was Morris' puppet.

[nickshepDEM]

26. Agree somewhat.

She will be a political machine in 2008. Money will flow into her campaign like water. However, I doubt she'll have the grassroots support needed the win in Iowa or New Hampshire.

[Rowdyboy]

27. If she runs, it will be Hillary versus ABH.....ABH will probably win....

Anybody But Hillary is a strong candidate, be he/she Clark/Feingold/Warner/Bayh/Edwards/Richardson/etc....

[Clarkie1]

40. Yes, I agree there will emerge an anti-Hillary.

It's the political reality, and the only chance the ABH crowd will have is to rally around one candidate.

[second edition]

65. The Dem primaries may well be like that too! ABH! n/t

[BenDavid]

71. Come on Folks, DAMN!

Hell, I think Will Rogers was right," I do not belong to any organized political party, I'm a Democrat".

[second edition]

76. I'm all for unity, this is more to do with opinion and I do not

have a favorable opinion of her. I would say we are organized- organized against her.

[WA98296]

29. Time to quit having Republicans decide who we are running...

They want us to run Hillary.

[zulchzulu]

30. Who gives a RAT'S ASS about what this pipsqueak toe-sucking twit thinks

He's a goddamn carnie worker. Put a dunce cap on his sorry, stinky little ass. What he thinks means about as much as some loser down the block who has an old spinster named Aunt Mildred. Gee, what does she think?

[nvliberal]

37. The old toe sucker is going to be disappointed

when Hillary refuses to run for the office.

His days of riding on the Clinton-trashing gravy train could be numbered.

[truthisfreedom]

39. dick morris? who gives a flying hootie-hoo about what he thinks? he's

a friggin' fink. f^©< him and the toe he sucked in on.

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

47. Morris would probably be more useful to the world

if he shut up his damn mouth and accepted a long-term job as an elephant dung scooper at the circus. Of all the annoying pundits on national TV and radio these days-- and I'm talking even in comparison with Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, and the rest of the right-wing idiot squad-- Dick Morris is by far the most fatuous, idiotic, flatulent, misinformed, misguided, jackassed, self-important, pompous, boneheaded, asinine, narcissistic, addle-headed jerk of them all.

Maybe we should start a recruitment drive to send Dickie Boy's info to circuses around the country with a recommendation that he be employed on the spot cleaning up the elephant doo. Either that, or maybe he'd be of great value to the world as a "stress reliever" in rough US prisons for lifer inmates who haven't seen a woman in 15 years. "Ooooh, my-- you say your name is Dick? Dick Morris? Well, my name's Big Rig-- I been doin' time in here since 1990, and I must say, you got a mighty fine pair o' knickers on there if I may say so. Why don't ya say we just come in and have some gooooood prison-action fun tonight, eh? Bend over Dickie!" Much better than being a loudmouth fscktard as he currently is.

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

48. Dems would be dumb as dirt to run Hillary-- it'd be a GOP lifesaver

The Republicans are almost begging us to put up Hillary as their nominee since this would be the one thing that would unify their rapidly crumbling party. They're all so enraged at Bush for the Iraq and Katrina fiascos, the out-of-control spending, SCOTUS appointments and whatever else that apparently, RNC donations are down to something like 1/5th of their normal amount.

The GOP is on the brink of collapse. The one way to save them would be to nominate Hillary, which would indeed rally them and pull them back together again. In fact, maybe this is Dickie Boy's true hidden agenda-- he knows that a Hillary Clinton nomination by us would be the one thing to save the Republicans' sorry hides, so he's trying to induce us to go in exactly that direction. Sorry, we're not taking the bait. If we nominate Al Gore, Wesley Clark or Barbara Boxer, the Republicans are finished. They can't motivate their base anymore, and they'll just flail and fall in 2008. Keep this little bit of strategy in mind.

[AspenRose]

84. And if the DNC DOES take the bait and gets Hillary nominated.....

....then I will cease being a Democrat. I mean it. I will stay home.

It's time to play hardball with the GOP, not to pander and give them what they want....AGAIN.

[NoPasaran]

50. Go suck some toes, Dick!

What a fucking whore!

[leesa]

51. I wish the GOP and MSM would stop pushing their candidate Hillary

onto us. Ask yourself why they want her so badly.

[blm]

74. Because broadcast media wants a McCain-Hillary race with McCain winning

and they'll be pushing every button they can to assure it.

[election_2004]

54. Why is this poll based on what Dick Morris thinks?

Why should Dick Morris, of all people, warrant his own poll on who he wants to see the Democrats nominate for president?

[OzarkDem]

55. Repubs sure want Hillary

Every day there's another article from a right wing news source pushing her candidacy.

[MrBenchley]

57. If Dick Morris said the sun was shining bright

you could look out the window and see it was the middle of the night....

[McCamy Taylor]

58. If Gore runs, she wont. She likes the Senate.

[rniel]

59. Sorry guys

But Fox News has personally selected her for us. Too late to do anything she's already the nominee.

[drummo]

102. You forgot the sarcasm icon

[Lydia Leftcoast]

60. Why do we keep citing *Republicanites* on the "inevitability" of

a Hillary nomination?

Note that it's almost entirely Republicans who are talking up a HRC candidacy in 2008. And why not? She's their dream opponent.

"Oh, please, Democrats, don't throw us in that briar patch!"

The opinions of Toesucker Morris hold no weight with me, and they shouldn't with anyone else on this board, either.

[eeyore]

61. Fox Bullshit!

Somebody damn well challenge her and do it well, otherwise we're in for a really rocky road. I hold no ill will against her, but I cannot think of a worse disaster of a Democratic candidate.

If you thought the wingnuts fell in line against Kerry, you ain't seen nothing yet. And if you thought the whole Swiftboating campaign tactics were over the top, hold on to your hat.

I personally know religious republicans who say they would vote for Hitler over Hillary. When pressed on why, they will say that she is the personification of the downfall of traditional values. The absolutey hate her - Fundie style!

It would be the Right wing's wet dream, and that's why Fox wants to shove it down your throat like it's a done deal. Fuck them!

[eeyore]

62. Fox Bullshit!

Somebody damn well challenge her and do it well, otherwise we're in for a really rocky road. I hold no ill will against her, but I cannot think of a worse disaster of a Democratic candidate.

If you thought the wingnuts fell in line against Kerry, you ain't seen nothing yet. And if you thought the whole Swiftboating campaign tactics were over the top, hold on to your hat.

I personally know religious republicans who say they would vote for Hitler over Hillary. When pressed on why, they will say that she is the personification of the downfall of traditional values. The absolutey hate her - Fundie style!

It would be the Right wing's wet dream, and that's why Fox wants to shove it down your throat like it's a done deal. Fuck them!

[npincus]

63. he should get back to toe-sucking

and quit riding on the Clintons.

[Skidmore]

69. Jeez, my husband came home from work yesterday

going on about how all the Rs at his job were talking about how it was going to be a girlfight between Condi and Hillary.

Dick Morris should go back to toesucking...or get a real life.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

70. This is TV-era politics.

Dick Morris, being a whore, would like to see the influence of money remain strong in politics because it is good for his financial interest.

I saw David Broder say that Hillary's left flank is covered as she moves to embrace Gingrich and McCain. I disagree. The MSM pundits ignore cyberspace as best they can because they are widely seen as villains here and because the Internet vitiates their influence.

A cursory inspection of the threads on this site reveals that HRC has trouble oh her left flank. Iraq really hurts her because she continues to rationalize her vote for a gross blunder.

[iconoclastNYC]

72. If there are two or more DLC candidates in addition to her.

They could split the vote.

It all depends who's running. Dick Morris is an idiot and I think this is wishful thinking on his part.

[MadisonProgressive]

81. Dick Morris is a sleazy opportunist - he's a pig

[drummo]

88. Dick Morris is an ass.

He used to be reasonable. But in recent years poor guy has lost his sanity completely.

Both Clark and Gore would wipe the floor with her. She may be ahead in the polls now, but Joementum was ahead in the polls in 2002.
This Hillary buzz will collapse once people will actually see Hillary campaigning and trying to defend her votes -- particularly on Iraq.

[NYCGirl]

90. HE'S PUSHING A BOOK!!! Don't fall for Morris' crap.

[enough already]

95. No more DLC republicans

No way in hell I vote for her, either in the primaries or the general.

[Crunchy Frog]

100. Well, I guess we may as well just cancel the primaries

more than 2 years before their due to start. If the media says it, it must be true, so it will just be an enormous waste of money, time, and energy when someone with a time machine already knows the outcome.

Let's just coronate her now and get it over with.

[laureloak]

101. Repubs trying to push Hillary on us so they can run Condi.

I'm not buying.

[kick_them_hard]

107. Don't let the Rethugs choose who WE want for a nomination

They did it in 2000 and they are going to try again in 2008. Fuck what Dick Morris says. He hates Hillary. Does THAT tell you something??

[lessthanjake]

109. Dick Morris is a retard

He is so damn stupid its unbelievable

[GetTheRightVote]

114. We the American Public can determine our leader by grass roots demand

and we should do just that as well.

:kick:

[high density]

115. I don't think she's even going to run

I hope she is smarter than all of these pundits make her out for.

[MADem]

116. It would be funny as hell if this is a MAJOR FEINT

to keep the GOP loonies guessing!

I would laugh like hell if Hill had no intention of running, was playing it cute, and, after the election of another democrat, she is named as a SUPREME COURT JUSTICE.

She'd probably get it, too--you wanna see cronyism, look at ASHCROFT, they hated the idea of him as AG but held their noses and voted yes, because he was a former member of the Senate club...

The right's heads would explode!

[autorank]

117. OK, here's the deal. Gore runs and runs very hard against the press.

Just blasts them at every stop, contempt boiling over, blames them for lies of omission and failure to report the TRUTH. It's a no lose situation, with a huge payoff. It will be 2008, we'll have had a few more eco catastrophes around the world. The law firm planning for years (by creating a database on fake scientists) will start litigation against those who spoke for and sponsored junk science denying global warming. People will barely tolerate any Republican because they're getting toasted, literally.

It's payback time, it's time to take down the CM (corporate media). They're a perfect foil for all of Gore's points. He hates them and he would do it with wit, conviction, and utter brutality. It would be the time of his life (I'm a Raider fan, revenge is a virtue).

Just a thought.

[AtomicKitten]

119. Gore's been going balls out full tilt for a while now.

And it suits him. He's not going to take crap for anyone. And the smug media Heathers can eat it since they are complicit in so many evils foisted on this country.

[autorank]

120. "media Heathers" ...LOL...I will use it.

:rofl:

[AtomicKitten]

123. I had to explain to my editor what it meant.

Still not entirely sure he "got" it. However, can't think of a better way to describe the media.

[vickie]

121. Dick Morris is despicable vermin. I don't know why anyone

listens to him. He is constantly wrong -- and he is so psychotically obsessed with the Clintons (and saying awful things about them)- he seems mentally ill. He is a truly loathesome person.

[Catchawave]

126. Isn't it a political kiss of death to

push a candidate too early? And with Dick Morris's history...hmmmmm?

Love the Hil, but not as my prez, she can kick butt as a very important part of our country's new 2009 Democratic Administration though!

As far as Condi goes, she can be easily be defeated, just on her lips smacked on Bush's Butt these past 5 years and counting...6..7..8...

We Dems really need to start looking outside the current political box right now....Dem gov's in red states with approval ratings in the 70's (Warner, any others?), Edwards, Clark....I'm still watching and waiting for someone who can stand up to, gag, Rove :banghead:

[leanin_green]

127. F_ _ k that lackey Morris.

[sepia_steel]

128. wow, how out of touch are THEY?