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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 01:04 AM
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Incidents Olbermann missed -- there are more
These are not related to terror warnings, but are definitely instances where Karl Rove diverted the news just when George was about to be hit hard. Some of these require a definite MIHOP mindset, and I'm sure that some DUers will not believe it possible for someone in the WH to be part of it. But there it is. A pattern worth studying.

1. November 12, 2001. Just as the media's study group NORC is about to release the news that Al Gore did, in fact, win the 2000 election, an airliner bound for the Dominican Republic goes down in Queens under suspicious circumstances. Would Bushco take down an airliner? There's precedent in the Bush family. Just go study the connections of Father Bush.

2. Friday before the election 2000. Just as Senators Inouye, Kerrey, and Cleland are holding a press conference to challenge George W. Bush to explain his absence from the Texas Air National Guard during wartime, FOX news breaks the story that Bush had been arrested in a DUI decades earlier. The AWOL story is obliterated.

Help me out here -- let's find more of these.
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 01:08 AM
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1. Did you check his blog?
There were 3 on his list that he couldn't fit in his show. Not sure when he's putting them on his blog though
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 01:36 AM
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4. They're already there - all thirteen and his intro material are there:
Here is the text of the show, including ALL THIRTEEN of the "coincidences" (only ten were broadcast) in the blog:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9665308/#051012a
Here's our dzika's post on it, including video clips in Windows Media format and Real Media format plus audio in MP3:
http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001917.htm



Windows Media format (DOWNLOADING as an 8.5 mb file, 12 min):
http://www.ameratsu.com/media/vid/msnbc/msnbc_ko_nexus_politics_terrori_051012a.wmv

Real Media format (STREAMING):
http://www.ameratsu.com/media/vid/msnbc/msnbc_ko_nexus_politics_terrori_051012a.ram

Audio File in MP3:
http://www.ameratsu.com/media/vid/msnbc/msnbc_ko_nexus_politics_terrori_051012a.mp3

Dzika also includes a link to the eerily related BBC series, "The Power Of Nightmares":
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/3755686.stm
Video here:
http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 01:13 AM
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2. Paul Wellstone's wreck?
Ashcroft lost to a dead man? Bushco is dangerous and without morals.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 01:36 AM
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3. Keith also adi there are many other lists out there that have a lot
more "incidents of possible coincidence", but this is what I put together. He did say he didn't have them all!
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 05:32 AM
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5. it's not just tied to an "umpleasant event"
terra-lerts also occur when bush*'s numbers went down

I have a couple of charts covering a 2 year period, will have to dig through my cd's and see if I can find them. I'll try to post them later today or tomorrow. (right now I have to get the rest of my act together for a job interview)
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 06:02 AM
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6. J.H. Hatfield - Aruthur of "Fortunate Son"
Edited on Thu Oct-13-05 06:08 AM by 0007
Cliff Baxter - The Mysterious Death Of An Enron Exec | April 10, 2002 ... http://www.jerrypippin.com/Cliff%20Baxter.htm
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 08:48 AM
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7. Hatfield and Baxter are classic Bu$hco "suicidings." Was Lars-Erik?
I also have to wonder about the premature death of liberal columnist Lars-Erik Nelson. Lars-Erik died shortly after the disputed presidential election of 2000. His last column was on that election and the Florida dispute.

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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 09:25 AM
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8. These are different kinds of "terror", aimed at Bush enemies.
The ones Olberman is talking about are general alerts designed to crowd the airwaves to keep news the WH doesnot like from getting to the public.

The "terror" you are talking about is the stuff Rove and Co. do to intimidate journalists and politicians and other countries so that they will bow to the will of the Bush administration. I call this the Rove/Rasputin complex. This is why Rove tries so hard to come off as an unscrupulous guy who is willing to break the law and do dirty tricks. It really is better for Olberman not to talk about this on national TV, because it plays into Rove's hand for this to get any kind of national coverage. People who know about it should acknowledge it privately, in public they should discuss the fact that Rove attempts to do this, but they should act unafraid--the way that Olberman does.

http://www.grandtheftelectionohio.com/051007.htm

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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 10:02 AM
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9. no
The tyranny I am talking about is the DIVERSION of the news just as bad news was about to hit for Bush. The stealing of headline space. The top of the newscast. I explained that in the original post. Incidents not related to terror warnings, but designed to divert or deflect news coverage.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 10:20 AM
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10. September 10, 2002:
September 10, 2002 Posted: 11:24 AM EDT (1524 GMT)

Orlando police said Tuesday that Noelle Bush, the daughter of Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, is under investigation after staff at a drug treatment facility said she was found with a "white rock substance" that tested positive for cocaine.

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/09/10/noelle.bush /

September 10, 2002 Posted: 1:00 PM EDT (1700 GMT)

The Homeland Security Office on Tuesday is raising its nationwide terror state of alert for the first time since March, putting it at the orange level, signifying a high risk of terror attacks, sources told CNN.

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/09/10/ar911.threat.leve... /

Remember that at this time Jeb was running for re-election.

Sure the first anniversary of 9/11 was the next day but why raise it so suddenly the day before rather than announcing well in advance that the terror alert level was going to be raised for the anniversary of 9/11? Wouldn't that have made more sense and been somewhat reassuring rather that fear provoking?

WHEN ARE PEOPLE FINALLY GOING TO GET IT?

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EarlG ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 10:29 AM
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11. July 29 2004
Not a terror alert, but the similar use of the subject of terror to swing the news focus:

July 29 2004:

Massachusetts Senator John Kerry, accepting his party's nomination as the 2004 candidate for the U.S. presidency, saluted the Democratic National Convention July 29 and said, "I'm John Kerry and I'm reporting for duty."

http://usinfo.state.gov/dhr/Archive/2004/Jul/30-351335.html

July 29, 2004:

Pakistan has arrested a senior al-Qaeda figure with a bounty of up to $25m on his head, Interior Minister Makhdoom Faisal Saleh Hayat told CNN television on Thursday.

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1565446,00.html

A curiously timed announcement considering that:

The Pakistani security sources said the arrests took place Sunday (July 25) morning after a standoff that began Saturday night in Gujrat, just southeast of Islamabad.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/05/26/kerry.nomination/

Not only that, but this was predicted in advance:

July 12, 2004:

...It was revealed last week by The New Republic that the Bush administration has been trying to arrange the capture of a top Al Qaeda chief in Pakistan - specifically timed to have an effect on the upcoming election. Yup, it's long been suspected that the administration will have an "October Surprise" up its filthy sleeve but there was no evidence - until now. TNR reported that the administration "significantly increased its pressure" on Pakistan to capture bin Laden or another "high value target" (HVT). Which is fine - except that the Bushies insisted it should happen before November. For example, a Pakistani security official told TNR that they had "been told at every level that apprehension or killing of HVTs before election is absolute must." Not only that, but a White House official apparently told Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence director that "it would be best if the arrest or killing of HVT were announced on twenty-six, twenty-seven, or twenty-eight July."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/04/163.html

And the follow-up:

https://ssl.tnr.com/p/docsub.mhtml?i=20040719&s=aaj071904
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