Is the CIA leak just a drop in a large pool ?

[kentuck]

There is little doubt in most minds that someone in the White House decided to go after Joseph Wilson by exposing his wife as an agent, after Mr. Wilson shot down their claims of Saddam getting nuclear material from Niger. They needed that story. It bolstered their propaganda campaign to convince Americans that a "mushroom cloud" was imminent.

We know now there was a group formed, called the WHIG, whose purpose for existence was to "sell" the Iraq War to the American people as if it were a product to clean clothes. Some of the luminaries in that Group were Karl Rove, Scooter Libby, Mary Matalin, Karen Hughes, Condi Rice, Jim Wilkerson, and a couple more...at the least.

This Group was at the base of the conspiracy. What was the conspiracy? To deceive and to lie to the American people about the reason for going to war. There can be few more serious conspiracies than that. With each dead soldier, the seriousness is magnified.

In the big picture, the CIA leak is the small crime. The larger conspiracy and the results of that conspiracy are at mimimum impeachable according to the laws of our country and our Constitution, unless we wish to say that some people are above the law. They can create their own rules and laws.

It's true that Congress gave the President authority to go to war if the cause was warranted. If it had been warranted, there would have been no need to conspire or lie to create the reasons for war. There would have been no need to sell it under false pretenses.

America must look at this crime, not focused on just the CIA leak, but on the larger conspiracy. They must look at the theft from our Treasury. They must look at our lost prestige around the world. They must look at the number of troops that have died in this personal crusade of a White House that assumed itself above the law. They considered themselves the law.

It is a question of justice. Are we a nation of laws or are we a nation of men? The CIA leak is just a drop in the bucket. If we do not empty the bucket and mop the floor, our nation is no longer a nation of laws. Those that conspire to break the law, no matter how high the office, must be held accountable.

[dalloway]

1. well said. I agree though the point is not whether I agree

but whether Fitz does and if he has the evidence to go along.

[mattclearing]

2. It's now clear that they did it before he shot down their Niger story.

We can only speculate as to why, but I think (!) most are of the impression that it had to do with Brewster Jennings being in a position to sink their war case as well.

[kentuck]

5. The Niger story was just a small stone in their path...

that they had to kick out of the way. They had no idea there was an IED under the stone. But their conspiracy had begun before we had ever heard of Joe Wilson. If Wilson had gone to Niger and came back with some ambiguous possibility that Saddam had gotten nuclear materials, they would have used that as unquestioned fact. If he did not find any evidence, he would report back that fact. But, they never suspected he would put his findings in the NYTimes. That surprised them. He should have only reported back to the Agency or to Cheney, whoever sent him. So someone, perhaps in the WHIG group, planted the story with Novak. And it went downhill from there, would be my guess.

[BeFree]

6. Speculation

Brewster Jennings was about to expose the illegal WMD trading Halliburton was conducting with Pakistan, et al.

As we all know, any time illegal operators get together there are no bounds to their illegallities. It can thusly be assumed that the arms dealers were also involved in drug trading.

There was some big money going around between the suppliers and users, and BJ was about to clean house and put the dealers behind bars.

BJ was about to bust the dealers and the only way to stop BJ was to expose BJ. That exposure shut down BJ's whole operation and the illegals were free to carry on.

[Mist]

9. I think this is it, of course BUT

How did the * admin. KNOW Wilson would report as he did? What if Wilson had gone along with the yellow cake story? What, then, would the * admin. have used as an excuse to out Plame and shut down BJ?

[petgoat]

18. How did they know? Maybe they didn't. If Wilson went along with

the yellowcake story--that would be well and good if they had a plan B
for Brewster-Jennings.

[AntiFascist]

22. If you want to know more about cash flow and illegality take a look.....

at this. Keep in mind this may be from Intel sources around DC:

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/intelwhispers/intel.htm

WMR has obtained further paper trails linking George H. W. Bush's longtime mysterious Swiss German money mover (see July 24-25 article below) to a now defunct bank operated on behalf of ...

[peacetalksforall]

14. I don't know about sink their war case, but it cut down on what they

consider their everyday trafficking in wmd and nuclear parts and technology. It is a profit making business that also means power for them and their partners. Most importantly, most importantly, funds from this trafficking goes to pay for their own empire that operates beneath the laws of the U.S. and the control of Congress and regulatory bodies. They are criminals in lies, theft, and deception. They are traitors.

[Burried News]

3. Empire is the corruption of the Republic and the eventual death

of the ideals of a Republic. Bring the troops home and bring those guilty of betraying the Republic to justice.

[indepat]

4. All enemies, foreign and domestic

[Raster]

7. The high crime of TREASON comes to mind. And conspiracy to

committ treason. Not to mention fraud.

[petgoat]

17. Dr. Robert Bowman, Lt. Col. USAF ret., flew 101 combat missions in

Vietnam and ran the Star Wars program under Ford and Carter.

For two years now he's been calling for the indictment of Bush, Cheney,
Rumsfeld, and the "oil mafia" on charges of treason.

http://www.rmbowman.com/ssn/rally031025.htm

[Raster]

19. he's got my vote. I believe. No, I know.

[AntiFascist]

23. Wow, he has my respect!

I thought I was the only one opposing the first Gulf War.

[CanOfWhoopAss]

8. No one is above the law! Even those that think they are the law.

Impeach the lot of them.

[mrcheerful]

10. How soon we forget

Reagan and Ollie and the lesson learned from them, when your in doubt find a little fuy to take the fall. Then give the little guy a medal and call him a hero.

[petgoat]

20. Especially those that think they are the law.

WaPo says that when a steak house manager asked him to put out his
cigar, Tom DeLay replied "I am the federal government!"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A57541-2003May14¬Found=true

[Vickers]

11. This whole "thing" is like a game of Jenga

Ever see that game? There are a lot of pieces of wood stacked in a column, and players take turns pulling them out:

- Abu Ghraib was a piece

- exposing a CIA operative was a piece

- the Ohio coin scandal was a piece

All of the little pieces keep getting taken out, but it's not quite enough to topple the tower yet. But once that tower topples, ALL of the piece will be out there in the open for all to see.

I only hope our country (and our planet) survives the topple.

[klook]

13. Or Blockhead

They hope we're all a bunch of blockheads who will let them get away with it.

[carolinayellowdog]

12. Thank God for Novak's reckless stupidity

How many other organized whisper/smear campaigns has the WH used to manipulate the press? We'll never know because the presstitutes aren't telling and neither are the Bushies. The only reason the Plame case became public was because Novak was reckless and stupid. "Reporters" who DID follow WH instructions over and over fill the bucket in which Novak is one drop.

[peacetalksforall]

15. I don't believ that. I believe they used Novak to discredit Wilson by

'sending' another message that they are famous for and they may have thought that they would kill Brewster-Jennings with deflected attention, thus creating another attack on the CIA. They want to kill the CIA in favor of a military intelligence agency.

[Arkansas Granny]

16. I would prefer to think of it as the small crack in the dam. If

indictments come down regarding the Plame case, it could be the precursor of a flood of revelations about this administration.

[many a good man]

21. "With each dead soldier"

"There can be few more serious conspiracies than that. With each dead soldier, the seriousness is magnified."

That's powerful prose, 'tuck! :thumbsup:


I would add the analysis provided by Ret'd. USAF Colonel Sam Gardiner, lecturer at the Army War College, that describes the PsyOps campaign conducted against the American people by their own govt in Truth From These Podia.

I also think Wilson sympathized with his wife and a huge network of government careerists who were taking on the NeoCon takeover. We owe all these people our deepest gratitude.