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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 07:23 PM
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Dana Milbank credits White House "loss of Mojo" to Cindy Sheehan!
Just now, on Countdown.

Olbermann asked him how Bush could go from the 9/11 "Bullhorn Moment" to the scripted "I like you" fake photo op with soldiers today (and the McClellan bloodbath that followed) and he said "The Cindy Sheehan situation set in motion the gross series of miscalculations that followed, the loss of their Mojo."

YES.

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MSgt213 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 07:24 PM
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1. He's right everything has gone down hill from the time Cindy arrived.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:28 PM
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37. And the arrogant little fucker could have avoided it, the curse is of his
OWN MAKING.

He could have taken an hour out of his vacation, met with her, let her vent, and then put the spin machine to task to rip the poor woman to shreds. He would have come off as "compassionate" while she would have been spun as a "batshit crazy grief-stricken menopausal (fill in any other common pejoratives) WOMAN." (You have to say the word woman with disdain to make it truly effective, mind you.)

Instead, he was so damn arrogant, that what would have been a two day story at most, instead became the tipping point. DUMBYA is, indeed DUMBER than dirt. And arrogant, on top of it!!
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 07:24 PM
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2. I do believe she deserves
a lot of the credit for mobilizing a lot of us. We needed someone to get out there and she did it. A truly courageous woman.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 07:24 PM
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3. He phrased it even better. He called it "the curse of Cindy Sheehan".
Edited on Thu Oct-13-05 07:26 PM by Pirate Smile
edit to add - I'm sure he has definitely has some voodoo curses put on him since Katrina.
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 07:28 PM
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5. Or perhaps
the ghost of Casey Sheehan, and nearly 2000 others, not counting the wounded.

Yes, set the downward spiral in motion; then the Katrina negligence plunged him to depths of which he will not recover.

Because of Cindy, the public witnessed his arrogance and uncaring. Because of Katrina, the public witnessed his gross incompetence.

It's only a matter of time until the public realizes his criminality. That will be the end.

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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 07:33 PM
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8. Agreed, the one-two punch of Cindy and Katrina...
Cindy set him up, Katrina knocked him down.

So much for Bush and the "strong women" in his life. They are NOT limited to Condi Rice, Karen Hughes and his mommy.

:patriot:
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 10:19 PM
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25. I agree with that. Katrina really showed America some sad truths about
what our country has become.

It's one thing for a person to criticize Bush. Even Sheehan's credibility and motivation was questioned by die-hard right wingers. But you really can't question the FACTS of life in America that a hurricane reveals.

Hurricanes don't have motivations or credibility.
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chat_noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 07:52 PM
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15. Did you ever wonder what 2000 looks like?
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aresef Donating Member (270 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 07:27 PM
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4. Bush (in bed with Blair): "I've lost my mojo!"
I couldn't resist.
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CatBoreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 07:30 PM
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6. His mojo is hiding beside...
Saddam's WMDs.
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aresef Donating Member (270 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 07:35 PM
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10. Which are right next to the Liberal Media.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 07:41 PM
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12. LOL!
:rofl:
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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 07:51 PM
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14. "She turned me into a newt!"
"I got better!"

"Uh. no, actually, you didn't."
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 11:01 AM
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29. Didn't Herblock once do a cartoon of Nixon looking for his mandate?
I seem to recall that. (Shows how old I am).
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 07:33 PM
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7. For dana milbank to even
be admitting this is earth shattering.

Then there's tweety who said .."but, people still like him"!

What Planet is he on?
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 07:34 PM
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9. Yeah, STUPID people...n/t
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 07:38 PM
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11. If that's true,
it's just another reason to love her!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 07:44 PM
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13. There was never any MOJO
just mediahoes surrounding & protecting the little guy!











"If the president knew there were no weapons of mass destruction and knew there was no connection between Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein, and if the president knew the Iraqis were not involved in the attack on the twin towers and still allowed our nation to believe that we had to invade Iraq for it, then I’m a lawyer and a former federal prosecutor, and these are impeachable offenses,"
--Stated CHARLIE RANGEL on 9/23 as he shared the stage with Sheehan and Clark





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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 09:50 PM
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22. Very important point.
YOU said: There was never any MOJO" just mediahoes surrounding & protecting the little guy!

We need to remember this while we enjoy the fun of watching them turn on him. They were whores then, and they are whores now. They are a central reason why we are where we are now.
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 02:28 PM
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44. No MOJO, just ME-HOES
tee-hee.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 09:52 PM
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23. Exactly ..
.... Bush's mojo was illusory all along. He talked smack on the dance floor, when he got to bed he was a noodle.
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ribrepin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:29 AM
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26. Love the "Stay the Course picture"
Neatly sums up the course of the country.
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July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 08:44 PM
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16. I think Cindy was a turning point, but I also think things have been
going downhill since the inauguration. Nothing has gone well for Bush since then, and he hasn't been able to use his "political capital" to sell a goddamned thing, starting with his ill-conceived Social Security campaign.

But Cindy created that lovely combination of a sincere person calling out a liar and scumbag in a visual, easy to understand way. She helped sow doubt in people's minds, and, even better, made Bush look like the wimp he is because he literally hid out on his pig farm rather than facing her like a real man (or woman) would do. She singlehandedly shredded his "I'm a macho man" schtick.
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bmbmd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 08:49 PM
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17. A real leader would have asked her in
and shared a moment. Americans recognize that. Avoiding Cindy will be a sentinel mistake in the career of this president.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 08:56 PM
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18. Cindy Sheehan was and is
a warrior, like all before her-just one man, one woman. Just one. The power of one that just simply speaks the truth. It's amazing that it took just one woman to merely ask for the truth to tumble the whole carefully scripted house of propaganda and lies.

Simplicity wins in the end. Not spin, not make-up, celebrities, focus groups, large donations, carefully scripted talking points, just the simplicity of the truth.

A lesson for all that want to lead and bring about change everywhere. And in our wounded, deluded, denial ridden nation we need the simple truth of our lives more than anything else.

(love your pic of her there!)
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 08:59 PM
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19. Sorry, Richard Clarke Holds That Distinction.Mentioning Sheehan Just Helps
Edited on Thu Oct-13-05 09:01 PM by cryingshame
the Mediawhores save face for their malfeasance in not doing their jobs properly on an early date.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 09:23 PM
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20. I have to agree,
not to minimize Cindy's effort whatsoever. She does seem to have started the snowball rolling...finally. But there were several brave voices crying in the wind before that.

Never mind. The snowball's picking up speed now. But it wouldn't be smart to cut the media any slack. They failed us...until it was convenient to take notice.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 09:48 PM
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21. May the Great Spirit bless her
I think it's true. Cindy started the fire that will hopefully burn down the walls of ignorance that has shamed our country for too long.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 10:10 PM
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24. I love that picture. n/t
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 10:54 AM
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27. The next generation of children will be reading about Cindy
in history class :patriot:
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chrisbur Donating Member (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 12:17 PM
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33. Oh I doubt that...
maybe, just maybe in a secondary level elective type course. I have some theories about the way American history is taught. It's all vague pictures of guys in pointy hats and maybe some Civil War talk. I most certainly was never in a class that made it past the early Great Depression years before summer beckoned. Too much evil socialist stuff with the New Deal and all.
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 02:08 PM
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43. depends on the teacher
in H.S. we covered the new deal and the A-bombing of japan in graphic detail with slides and such.

but for the majority of america you are probably correct
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 11:00 AM
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28. Post with the VIDEO CLIP of Milbank's comment and much more is here:
The thread is on the staged photo-op with the Tikrit soldiers, the bizarre McClellan press conference, and on the Olbermann show last night.

Here's the post with the Dana Milbank comment about Cindy Sheehan on Olbermann's Oct 13 Countdown show - it's the third of four video clips:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5054730&mesg_id=5056247

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astonamous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 11:11 AM
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30. See what one person can do! Amazing woman! eom
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kimpossible Donating Member (785 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 11:14 AM
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31. Go Cindy!
She was the catalyst for the movement to really start waking up this country.
O8)
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 11:15 AM
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32. It started with her, but it ws his fault he tumbled.
He could have had a heart and spoken with Cindy.

He could have done something about Katrina a lot sooner.

He could have nominated a qualified Supreme Court justice.

He could have done something about Karl Rove for leaking intelligence.

He could have changed his tone about the war.

Sure it started with Cindy, but he has made his own mess and it's been a long time coming.

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Cults4Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 12:20 PM
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34. Dana is still a whore who wrote that nasty hit piece on Conyers DSM
meeting a while back.

Appeasement and ingratiation are quite the motives here I think.

Maybe I'll write him and pat his haed and ask him if he is ready to maybe retract his vitriolic piece on Conyers.
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 12:36 PM
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35. Dana Millbank is a Republican shrinking shrill
It isn't Cindy's fault that the Republicans are having so many scandals investigated....even WE have trouble keeping up with them all...and it's really hard to tell which investigation or grand jury is the more damaging one......

So for him to come out and lay it all on Cindy is ludicrous on the face of it!

Dana Millbank can't come out and write about the real goings on in Washington because???????????? What a waste of editorial staff job!

Give me a big ole break here!

:rofl:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:31 PM
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38. He sure is.....BUT!!!!
The fact that he is even acknowledging trouble in paradise is very, very telling indeed. It does not matter if he "blames" Cindy, Katrina, or the Bush twins for Dumbya's difficulties--the fact that he is admitting there is a problem at all is what is so damn sweet.

Cindy was just the first crack in the dam. She was without sin, so she got to cast the first stone...and the hits just kept on coming, from that point!!
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:25 PM
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36. Has anyone else noticed how terrified the WH is of the peace
movement. I have to admit, I don't understand it. I'm thinking about starting a thread that tries to figure out why. I don't think it's Cindy Sheehan, I think it's the whole movement. They're scared to death of it. It's puzzling.....
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:35 PM
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40. It is greatly affecting the AVF, that is why
If you do not have a strong and robust and QUALIFIED All Volunteer Force, then you first lower standards, and then, when you STILL cannot make your numbers, you have to either scale back, or go to a draft.

With all the sabre-rattling in the direction of Iran, I don't see any scaling back. Plus, so long as Monkey occupies the WH, he is not going to leave Iraq unless Washington is ringed with Americans toting torches and pitchforks.

He HAS to have his AVF, and right now, it is HEMORRHAGING talent--those that can, leave, others get killed or wounded. Qualified replacements are simply not stepping up to the plate...and who can blame them?
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:33 PM
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39. I think it began with Terry Schiavo, personally...

That's was the bomb that caused everyone to simultaneously say, "HUH?????"
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:37 PM
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41. Good point, that
That case was a real signal splitter...and when they hauled Congress back, that really made people wonder just how far they had their heads up their own asses.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:44 PM
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42. ...I think the correct term would be...

..."collective ass."

lol
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 02:31 PM
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46. Definitely Schiavo
I got all the facts on that one the day they pulled the feeding tube and it played out just like anyone knew it would who took the time to find out what was known and the laws that applied.

That was the ultimate exhibiition of being drunk on power anyone has seen in a while.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 02:40 PM
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47. I think that fiasco opened the door for Cindy...

...in some ways. It made people much more willing to seriously question the actions of the Bush admin.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 02:46 PM
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48. It was also like a pressure release
After all the self righteousness gas blowing out of the holier than thou Repubs this was just too much. People had gotten the message and the utter bullshit of the whole thing (it is the perfect example/template of a RW news event) was too much.

But what really got people, in my humble opinion, was that following right after everyone had come out into the sunlight post election they all looked around and everyone saw that everyone else couldn't understand that W was still President when EVERYONE THEY KNEW voted for Kerry (or against Bush) and that tore it. Too much. That is it.

Note-there were also many people (told directly to me) that voted for Bush because "He created this mess let him clean it up" and it was time to start bashing him.

That is what I think happened.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 02:30 PM
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45. Appropriate RFK quote: "Ripple of Hope"
Each time a man (or woman) stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring those ripples build a current which can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance.
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