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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 07:49 PM
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Where are the outraged black leaders?
Okay, I'm white. I'm very much out of the loop of black culture. But in the 1960's, I remember a strong army of black spokespeople - preachers primarily, but also politicians and socially concerned people - standing up to rally black Americans.

Given the racism revealed in the Katrina folly, I would have thought the statement that "Bush doesn't care about black people" would have started a great (forgive the play on words) hue and cry among people of hue. A Doctor King, Stokely Carmichael, heck, even a Dick Gregory, would have taken that statement and run with it. And it would have been heard and understood. About all the visibility I've seen are a few statements in McGruder's "Boondocks" comic strip or in Keith Knight's "K Chronicles."

It upsets me that a white person is more upset about what's happening to black people than black people themselves. Because, while it's a fight I can side with, it sure as hell isn't mine to lead, or any white person, for that matter.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 07:52 PM
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1. and who is going to televise this outrage?
who is going to listen to these black leaders? dontcha know,......msm isnt on our side. they actively dont show our side of the story
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 08:46 PM
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8. The media is kissing...
You're right. Nobody is going to televise any sort of black outrage. The media is too busy kissing the administration's posterior and trying not to piss them off.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 09:09 PM
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14. right....like M$M will show blacks other than praising W
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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 07:53 PM
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2. Last I heard Bush's approval rating with blacks was 2%.
They don't have to preach to a choir.
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 07:58 PM
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4. Maybe not "preach," but "proseletize..."
The thing is not simply the outrage, but mobilizing people to do something about it. And to send a message that they know what's going wrong and they're ready to take action.

And part of that might be to put the Democratic Party on notice that their support in future elections depends on THEM speaking about about their problems. The fact that there are any "black Republicans" at all indicates that somebody didn't get the message...and that somebody might well be the DLC.
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Gato Moteado Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 08:05 PM
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6. well then, let's get that last 2%
every vote counts in these close-enough-to-steal elections that the filthy, immoral, human-garbage repubs keep stealing.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 07:57 PM
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3. In DC today from what I understand.
NGU.


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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 08:04 PM
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5. Link...
http://www.cbc.ca/cp/world/051015/w101550.html

Note that it's a Canadian news source. The Corporate Media wouldn't cover MLK if he were around today.

NGU.


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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 08:26 PM
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7. Read the speech Etan Thomas gave at the DC mobilization Sept 24
Thomas is an NBA player who gave a powerful speech.

Other Af-Am leaders were speaking in Washington today.

I think the leaders have always been there. Maybe post-Katrina, more white Americans are ready to start listening.


‘Giving all honor, thanks and praises to God for
courage and wisdom, this is a very important rally. I’d
like to thank you for allowing me to share my thoughts,
feelings and concerns regarding a tremendous problem
that we are currently facing. This problem is
universal, transcending race, economic background,
religion, and culture, and this problem is none other
than the current administration which has set up shop
in the White House.

In fact, I’d like to take some of these cats on a field
trip. I want to get big yellow buses with no air
conditioner and no seatbelts and round up Bill
O’Reilly, Pat Buchanan, Trent Lott, Sean Hannity, Dick
Cheney, Jeb Bush, Bush Jr. and Bush Sr., John Ashcroft,
Giuliani, Ed Gillespie, Katherine Harris, that little
bow-tied Tucker Carlson and any other right-wing
conservative Republicans I can think of, and take them
all on a trip to the hood. Not to do no 30-minute
documentary. I mean, I want to drop them off and leave
them there, let them become one with the other side of
the tracks, get them four mouths to feed and no
welfare, have scare tactics run through them like a
laxative, criticizing them for needing assistance.

I’d show them working families that make too much to
receive welfare but not enough to make ends meet. I’d
employ them with jobs with little security, let them
know how it feels to be an employee at will, able to be
fired at the drop of a hat. I’d take away their
opportunities, then try their children as adults,
sending their 13-year-old babies to life in prison. I’d
sell them dreams of hopelessness while spoon-feeding
their young with a daily dose of inferior education.
I’d tell them no child shall be left behind, then take
more money out of their schools, tell them to show and
prove themselves on standardized exams testing their
knowledge on things that they haven’t been taught, and
then I’d call them inferior.

I’d soak into their interior notions of endless
possibilities. I’d paint pictures of assisted
productivity if they only agreed to be all they can be,
dress them up with fatigues and boots with promises of
pots of gold at the end of rainbows, free education to
waste terrain on those who finish their bid. Then I’d
close the lid on that barrel of fool’s gold by starting
a war, sending their children into the midst of a
hostile situation, and while they’re worried about
their babies being murdered and slain in foreign lands,
I’d grace them with the pain of being sick and unable
to get medicine.

Give them health benefits that barely cover the common
cold. John Q. would become their reality as HMOs
introduce them to the world of inferior care, filling
their lungs with inadequate air, penny pinching at the
expense of patients, doctors practicing medicine in an
intricate web of rationing and regulations. Patients
wander the maze of managed bureaucracy, costs rise and
quality quickly deteriorates, but they say that managed
care is cheaper. They’ll say that free choice in
medicine will defeat the overall productivity, and as
co-payments are steadily rising, I’ll make their
grandparents have to choose between buying their
medicine and paying their rent.

Then I’d feed them hypocritical lines of being pro-life
as the only Christian way to be. Then very
contradictingly, I’d fight for the spread of the death
penalty, as if thou shall not kill applies to babies
but not to criminals.

Then I’d introduce them to those sworn to protect and
serve, creating a curb in their trust in the law. I’d
show them the nightsticks and plungers, the pepper
spray and stun guns, the mace and magnums that they’d
soon become acquainted with, the shakedowns and illegal
search and seizures, the planted evidence, being
stopped for no reason. Harassment ain’t even the half
of it. Forty-one shots to two raised hands, cell phones
and wallets that are confused with illegal contrabands.
I’d introduce them to pigs who love making their guns
click like wine glasses. Everlasting targets surrounded
by bullets, making them a walking bull’s eye, a living
pinata, held at the mercy of police brutality, and then
we’ll see if they finally weren’t aware of the truth,
if their eyes weren’t finally open like a box of
Pandora.

I’d show them how the other side of the tracks carries
the weight of the world on our shoulders and how
society seems to be holding us down with the force of a
boulder. The bird of democracy flew the coop back in
Florida. See, for some, and justice comes in packs like
wolves in sheep’s clothing. T.K.O.d by the right hooks
of life, many are left staggering under the weight of
the day, leaning against the ropes of hope. When your
dreams have fallen on barren ground, it becomes
difficult to keep pushing yourself forward like a
train, administering pain like a doctor with a needle,
their sequels continue more lethal than injections.

They keep telling us all is equal. I’d tell them that
instead of giving tax breaks to the rich, financing
corporate mergers and leading us into unnecessary wars
and under-table dealings with Enron and Halliburton,
maybe they can work on making society more peaceful.
Instead, they take more and more money out of inner
city schools, give up on the idea of rehabilitation and
build more prisons for poor people. With unemployment
continuing to rise like a deficit, it’s no wonder why
so many think that crime pays.

Maybe this trip will make them see the error of their
ways. Or maybe next time, we’ll just all get out and
vote. And as far as their stay in the White House, tell
them that numbered are their days.’ _________



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beaconess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 10:45 PM
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9. Black leaders are speaking up loud and often - they just don't get covered
in the MSM.

Check out a recent study by the National Urban League . . .

"In 1958, Martin Luther King wrote: 'It is appalling that the most segregated hour of Christian America is eleven o'clock on Sunday morning.' Today, nearly 50 years after Dr. King's incisive observation about America's churches, we are facing another form of Sunday Morning Apartheid: the Sunday morning talk shows.

"According to a study conducted by the National Urban League Policy Institute, Sunday morning network and cable talk shows, a significant source of information, analysis and opinion on government, politics, and social issues, consistently fail to include African Americans in their lineups, either as interview guests or analysts. Among other findings, the study reveals:

-more than 60% of the programs broadcast during the 18-month period studied had no black guests;
-fewer than 8% of the guests on these programs have been black.
-more than 69% of the appearances by black guests on these programs have been by three people - Condoleezza Rice, Colin Powell, and Juan Williams.

"This exclusion of African American voices is not unique to Sunday morning talk shows; with few exceptions, the television news outlets regularly fail to adequately include African Americans, other minorities and women in the vast majority of their news programming. However, the National Urban League Policy Institute limited its study to this particular genre for two reasons. First, unlike other network news and talk programs, the Sunday morning talk shows are generally similar in focus and format and, thus, offer consistent models for comparison. Second, Sunday morning talk shows play a unique and substantial role in the political discourse in America and, as such, lend themselves to greater scrutiny."

http://www.civilrights.org/issues/communication/details.cfm?id=34459

No wonder you're asking where the black leaders are - you have no way of seeing or hearing them.

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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 02:17 AM
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10. Where are they? On CSPAN all day Saturday!
And they all mentioned New Orleans and the treatment of blacks there.
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 02:18 AM
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11. Farrakhan in on CSPAN NOW talking about it.
I saw Sharpton earlier in the day.

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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 10:48 AM
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12. well the "outrage" was in Toledo yesterday
nt
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 04:50 PM
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13. Why not you?
Black people aren't the only ones who are offended and upset by racism. What have YOU done to support the cause?
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 10:46 PM
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16. Because it ain't my cause!
Edited on Sun Oct-16-05 10:54 PM by tomreedtoon
"How DARE this white man speak up against a problem that doesn't affect him! You stay out of OUR business, and go back to your country club and Lawrence Welk."

And no, I don't country club or Welk, but that's what I would be told.

Understand that me being concerned about an issue is different from me trying to involve myself in the issue, because if I did, I would be called seven different varieties of fool if I did. By both blacks AND whites.

(Remember Bobcat Goldthwait yelling in "Black Beauty," that Whoopi Goldberg movie, "I'm a black man in a white man's body..." That's what I'd sound like.)

It's just that I remember that blacks have a vital interest in these matters, and in decades past were passionate about them. I don't see that passion now. And I know how the media misrepresents it (I work in TV) but I don't even see much reporting of it in places like DU and Bushflash.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 11:15 PM
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20. and black people would be told to go get a job and stop crying out for
handouts. you think black people don't get shit for speaking out ? and as others have said in this thread. black people ARE speaking out but some people just don't want to see or listen.
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 11:55 PM
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23. It's not conservatives who'd laugh at me.
My point is not that I would get yelled at by conservatives. I know that would happen. I would be yelled at by the people I am concerned for. If I, a white guy, starts preaching in a black community, about how black people should get involved, I would be an interloper. I would be considered insane. I would be considered Bobcat Goldthwait, without the money he makes for being entertainingly insane in the media.

In other words, if I speak out about racism and Republicans, I would do the cause more harm than good.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 11:58 PM
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24. so why don't you speak to other white people
why don't you speak to other white people about how there IS racism and about all the mess Bush is creating in this country and world.

as i said before, black people already know what Bush is all about. they never did and never would support him. the reason Bush has the power he does is because most of the country is white and most white people support him.

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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 09:14 PM
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15. when Tavis Smiley was on BET I learned (surprise, surprise) there's
a whole national culture that whites rarely see

one example is Tom Joyner and the Tom Joyner radio show.....it's a major national organizer etc for blacks that very few whites have ever heard of........they organize voter registration drives, get out the vote drives, etc.......they come to different cities and have big shows (when I heard about them I called a local black newspaper and found out that they had recently been in town; only blacks knew)
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 10:52 PM
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18. Interesting you mention Tom Joyner...
...because one of the TV stations where I work is now carrying his show. I had to ask my black supervisor who Joyner was. She explained that he'd been on radio for years.

I do have the mitigating factor that I don't watch much entertainment television or listen to anything but Internet radio. (Dementia Radio, to be specific.) I couldn't tell the difference between Kelly Ripa and J-lo, even with pictures. But still, I know their names...Joyner was a mystery.

It seems that the segregation of black and white culture is in full swing in the media. It takes a powerful talent to break through that barrier. From what I've seen of Joyner's TV show, it looks like a lot of fun and I hope he breaks through to a wider cross-racial audience. And brings his beliefs with him.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 11:16 PM
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21. I learned Clinton called them all the time
I had seen Tavis Smiley and Tom Joyner on a C-Span Black Family event a few years ago, and so I've been a little more aware when they do hit the talk circuit. Once in a while they hit the mainstream. But I didn't know that Clinton called into their shows all the time, even during his Presidency, like he recently did during the SOS fundraiser. That's part of the "reaching out" that was talked about all last year that I didn't get at all. It really does go to show there is still a huge racial gap in this country.
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 10:51 PM
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17. Several have been on DemocracyNow discussing it
It's the corporate media and their 5 second attention span
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 11:11 PM
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19. what a bunch of fucking crap
Edited on Sun Oct-16-05 11:13 PM by JI7
black people are one of the groups of voters who most opposed Bush during both elections and continue to oppose him.

the reason his ass is in office is because of white voters.

most black people are not surprised by what is going on. that's why they don't and never supported him.

and with more white people in this country it IS going to take white people joining to get actual change.

in the meantime if you look you will see that black americans are trying to do all they can.

now how about we talk about the majority of white people who still don't think racism played any role in lack of response to Katrina and many other areas.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 11:23 PM
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22. Bush voters, 88% white
Edited on Mon Oct-17-05 12:09 AM by sandnsea
I just saw that on a CBS exit poll, 88% of Bush voters were white. The CNN poll is a little confusing, doesn't make it quite so clear. Something is really wrong with white people when the vote is so completely lopsided.

http://election.cbsnews.com/election2004/poll/poll_p____u_s__all_us0.shtml
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 12:00 AM
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25. Interesting stat
Basically proves what Dean said a few months ago - it really is a white, Christian party...
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 12:08 AM
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27. white, male, Christian party
and the women who love them. Absolutely true, just not the brightest thing to say if you're trying to woo them away from Republicans.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 12:02 AM
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26. i wonder what the breakdown of those numbers are
the easiest ones to figure out are the ones only looking to increase their wealth without any care to anyone else.

another group is probably just outright racist.

and then there is probably another one with the view that "if there is racism then why is Oprah rich", "Bush has done more for black people than anyone, just look at how he appointed Powell, Rice and other minorities to top positions. any minority who works hard could do the same".

of course these aren't exclusive and one can have more than one of these traits.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 12:18 AM
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28. WASP
I think that about sums it up. That whole Calvinist religious belief, that you can tell who God is blessing by how much money they have. That if you just live right, you'll reap God's rewards. That didn't used to be a tenet of Catholicism, poverty wasn't judged as a moral deficiency. That's why they voted Democratic. But I think that has changed, and I think the hierarchy changed their preaching just to attract white males and their money.

Along with a large amount of white entitlement, who wants to be knocked off the top of the heap?

Can't prove any of that in the numbers, just what I think.
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