Condi Rice on MTP: "Tim, it's an argument I don't understand"

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9684807/

Madam Secretary, welcome. Are you confident the Iraqi people adopted a new constitution yesterday?

SEC'Y CONDOLEEZZA RICE: I'm confident, Tim, that the Iraqi people went to the polls in large numbers, apparently perhaps as much as a million more than they did in January. I'm confident that Sunnis participated in large numbers, which means that the base of politics has expanded in Iraq. I think we have to wait to see what the results of the referendum will be, but the fact of the matter is that they had a democratic process. They were told that they had a chance to vote yes or no, and they went to the polls in large numbers. And by the way, the Iraqi forces performed very well in protecting the election process, and we think there may have been fewer attacks this time, too, than in January.

MR. RUSSERT: But you said a few hours ago you thought it probably passed.

SEC'Y RICE: There were some early reports from the ground that the numbers looked that way, but I think--I underscored when I made that statement that we would not know until we know. And I just want to be very clear, the key here is that the Iraqi people have expressed their views and we'll wait to see what their views are.

MR. RUSSERT: If it did go down, it would set the political process back significantly.

SEC'Y RICE: Tim, it's an argument I don't understand. If it passes, then democracy has been served. If, for some reason it does not, then democracy has been served. It would be like saying that a referendum in the United States, because it didn't pass, that it somehow was against the democratic process. The key here is the Sunnis have voted in large numbers. That means they're casting their lot now with the democratic process, and one way or another, the Iraqis are going to be in a position to move forward.

[Metta]

1. Anything to make them look good.

Like saying the brazilian dollar deficit is okay because it's less awful than they originally, purposefully over-projected

[bleever]

2. Just this once, I believe her.

She really doesn't understand the difference between the Iraqi vote on whether or not civil war is inevitable, and a referendum on a municipal bond issue.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

3. Yep, that's why I stuck it in the thread title...

...her whole "one way or another, they're getting democracy" stance is pretty damned weak.

:patriot:

[bleever]

6. "Tim, the important thing is that they are getting their popsicle, whether

they get it wrapped on a stick, or dropped in the dirt. The fact is, it's theirs."


Uh, gee, thanks...


:eyes:

[spooky3]

16. LOL, bleever! Also, I wonder what color burqa her family will

choose for her to wear, once the new constitution is pushed through? I'm sure all the Iraqi women are praising her for ensuring that they, like all the various ethnic minorities, are given equal treatment in the new constitution.

[jobycom]

4. I kind of agree with that, or I would if I was convinced the fix wasn't in

The thing is, I don't know what outcome helps BushCo most. A win, and they get to say "See, they could do it on their own. Now let's start the withdrawal." They wouldn't actually start the withdrawal, but it would sound so good they'd love to say it, anyway. If it's defeated, they can say "Well, democracy is hard, and we will help them as long as their is progress blablafocusgrouptestedbla..." But they will not be saddled with fighting a war to get this flawed constitution passed.

So either outcome could be a fix.

At least that's how I see it, though I could be way off.

[cliss]

5. Interesting quote:

"If it passes, then democracy has been served. If for some reason it does NOT, then Democracy has been served".

See how she does that? It's a WIN-WIN situation. No matter what happens, DEMOCRACY HAS BEEN SERVED.

Served up on a platter, with an apple in its mouth.

[Frustratedlady]

8. How Can It Be Served...

if they can't even get it started? If they can't vote on and pass a constitution (which will probably never happen) where is the progress?

I believe everyone crosses paths for a reason, but what the hell is the reason for Georgie passing ours? What a sorry mess he is.

[meti57b]

7. does "democracy" even mean anything anymore? or has it become .......

just another r/w frame.

[aden_nak]

9. Things Condi Rice doesn't understand is too large a topic for 1 thread.

We may have to petition Skinner for a separate forum, in fact.

[dogman]

10. Hell, she didn't understand the word "Attack".

But she sure can lie.

[Cocoa]

11. Unfrozen caveman Secretary of State

[CatWoman]

12. HEY!!!!

That's my bit!!!!! :D

Her promotion to SOS frightens and confuses me :D

[cliss]

13. LOL! OMG, Cocoa

I just had a mouthful of Starbucks coffee when I read your post. I had to struggle to keep the coffee in my mouth!

SO funny. It kinda looks like her, doesn't it?

[omega minimo]

14. Did you notice a MASSIVE edit at that moment?

SEC'Y RICE: Tim, it's an argument I don't understand.

CHOP-- (sharp cut in sound and image. Incongruous logic as she continues. Was something cut OUT?)

(She continues with a Rummy-style "known-unknown" streamofconsciousness bullshit):

If it passes, then democracy has been served. If, for some reason it does not, then democracy has been served. It would be like saying that a referendum in the United States, because it didn't pass, that it somehow was against the democratic process.


Also-- Condi is a TERRIBLE LIAR. Shaking her head back and forth NO when she is asserting a postive, blinking almost as much as W.

[Redleg]

15. The odds are on the side of the referendum not being rejected...

... since 2/3 of the voters in 3 provinces would have to VOTE AGAINST it to make it fail. This was set up to succeed. What a bunch of bullshit. But whether it succeeds or fails won't stop the violence that is increasing rather than decreasing. When, oh when is the MSM going to call bullshit on Condi and her deceitful, mealy-mouthed bullshit? WTF?

[Supersedeas]

17. we would not know until we know -- lol