I'm so sick of all the "Hillary 2008" musings

[CatWoman]

from the left AND the right.

I do not want Hillary Clinton to run for president.

I have my reasons. One of them being, flame me if you will, but this country is not about to elect a female president.

[LaurenG]

1. Well at least not one who is Hillary

And I agree the democrats really don't need to "place" Hillary. I WON'T vote for her. :)

[rosesaylavee]

2. Simply because she is a woman? Or because her

views make her not electable?

[CatWoman]

3. A lil from Column A

and A lil from Column B

[rosesaylavee]

7. Ok. I agree with column B. But let's talk about column A...

Are you opposed to a woman getting elected president? And if so, why?

[CatWoman]

8. no, I am not. I'm a woman. I'll all about women being "all they can be"

but the same can't be said for the country at large.

[rosesaylavee]

10. Ok. So you are cynical about the possibilities but

not opposed to being surprised by a woman winning the election. Good. We agree then. :)

[catmother]

4. hillary

i agree. also i have never heard hillary say that she would run.

[KT2000]

5. RW and their media

are the ones pushing Hillary so hard. They have their reasons for doing so - the defeat of the Democratic candidate. They already have their "trashing" playbook ready - on a cost basis, she is probably the least expensive candidate for them to face.

I am with you - Hillary is not a candidate I would like to support.

[Mabus]

13. Plus it helps cast doubt on the Clinton-Gore presidency-legacy

The aptly named Dick Morris is just one of the pundit's whose whole career is nothing more than bashing the Clintons. Barbara Olsen made lots of (Scaife) money writing her so-called thoughts on Bill and Hillary. Coulter build what she has as a career on bashing the Clintons. They've been creating scandals surrounding Democratic leaders for years. For some of them, they're sole purpose is to undermine the Clinton name and to cast doubt on Democrats overall. Then they use this as part of their overall Democrats are weak and ineffective rhetoric and apply it to all other Democratic leaders - from Henry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry, Al Gore. It's part of their overall diversionary tactics.

[FlashHarry]

6. She provides way too much fodder for the RW hate machine.

She'd be a fund-raising boon for the GOP. I have no problem with her gender. I have a problem with the fact that she's damaged goods. She should stay a senator. It seems she can actually do some good there in NY.

[Carla in Ca]

16. I wouldn't go as far as 'damaged goods'

but I agree with the opinion. A woman president would be fine with me, just not her. I like and admire a lot of things about her but she should stay in the Senate. We need her there.

[loyalsister]

34. well said

I don't think our viable candidate has started making noise yet.
I think we need a fresh face and a different approach.

[Skittles]

9. you said it sister

I echo your seniments word for word

[oxbow]

11. Hillary grew up in a GOP family

she is a social conservative who sold herself as a liberal to the Dem base when she was first lady. She is no Progressive.

Plus the fundies hate her more than Saddam. They want us to run her. Forget Hillary.

[AntiFascist]

25. I don't have a problem with a woman running for President...

but we know that it doesn't take much these days to energize the religious right voting block, in addition to them achieving all sorts of voter suppression and fraud. I suspect that the prospect of Bill Clinton being allowed back into the White House and advising the President, together with her being a female who may not share all of their pro-life values, would really set them off.

[ken_g]

12. No time for compromise. We need a candidate that is willing to

give voice to progressive ideals that people are concerned about. Hillary is to worried about walking the "center" line.

How can a condidate be afraid to oppose the war when 6 out of 10 americans now oppose it?

[motocicleta]

14. No vote from me

not based on views or on gender. I just don't think she's electable. Too polarizing. She's a love her or hate her politician, and I don't think that's the way to go for Pres. It also makes me nervous that the right wing pundits love to pump the idea of her getting the nomination. Maybe I'm just paranoid, but ... when those guys get excited I get very suspicious.

Of course, I don't have a better idea.

[Mabus]

15. and why aren't they covering Biden?

He's pretty much announced his intentions? Probably because they don't get the ratings. The Clinton name is still valuable commodity and they are going to milk it for all it is worth.

I was listening to some pundit this morning listing a bunch of Republican hopefuls and then implied that Hillary is basically the only Democrat alive. I think we have a wealth of talent and leadership to choose from, the pundits won't recognize it because it strays too far from their well-rehearsed (and well-worn) meta-narrative that Clinton stories give the RW a chance to bash both the Clintons so they can continue to try to make the Democratic party look weak to the majority of those that still trust what the MSM says.

on edit: With regards to Biden, what does a Democrat have to do to get the press's attention? Biden has pretty much said he will run. I don't think I could support him but this highlights that when a Democrat does want the spotlight that the MSM won't give it to him.

[CatWoman]

17. Biden is an asshole

he won't get my vote, either.

[AntiCoup2K4]

29. Biden's on TV every fucking Sunday

And usually on more than one network. He might as well start a Church of the Neocon DLC PNAC'ers and get a televangelism show, rather than channel hopping every week.

[moobu2]

18. I'd gladly vote for Hillary for president.

[Donna Zen]

19. Reasons:

At this point in our history, and with the current national positioning of the Democratic party, most Dems feel obliged to be rather militaristic. Hillary will be a uber hawk, because the Clintons are all about politics, and that is a political stand that she will take. That she is a women makes that absolutely assured (note: Hillary is no Boxer, a truth to power woman.)

Think about the waste in the Pentagon. Is Hillary going to go after that? Think about a campaign. Is Hillary going to go after their lies that she supported?

There are many other reasons that HIllary will not get my vote, but just think about it. Please.

[joanski0]

20. From what I have been able to gather

from talking to friends and relatives who only get their information from the lying TV, they are the only ones who think Hillary is going to get the nomination. The TV is brainwashing them. People who really know what is going on do not want Hillary. I hope we can keep the media from nominating Hillary for us.

[caledesi]

21. Agree CW...I like Hillary, but she will NEVER win. nt

[Pepperbelly]

22. What if the gop runs a woman?

Would that change your view?

Of course, the gop running a woman ... I just cracked myself up. Excuse me.

:rofl:

[CatWoman]

23. !

:hi:

[Donna Zen]

24. I think that the gop will run a woman

at the bottom of the ticket. All they need to do is split the folks who base their votes on gender.

[politicasista]

26. I am too CatWoman

I like the Clintons, but it just seems like the promotion of Hillary is overdone. :hi:

[sandnsea]

27. I just don't like her

And I don't like her politics. I think her Presidential ambitions are the big stumbling block for a clear Iraq withdrawal strategy as well. The attacks on her will make the Swift Boat Vets look like the Ty-D-Bol commercials.

[Redleg]

28. We don't need dynasties in the American presidency.

For that reason I oppose Hillary's run. Plus the fact that she will drag in all the fucking baggage that she and Bill left the Whitehouse with. I think that Hillary has what it takes to do a good job but I believe the Rethugs will do everything within their power to thwart her every action, especially if they retain control of the House. I also fear that Hillary will try to appeal too much to the so-called centrist (DLC) faction and will therefore be lukewarm.

[thinkingwoman]

30. no flame from me

The Repukes want us to run Hillary. That's reason enough not to for me.

Plus, frankly, I think it's ok if somebody other than a Bush or Clinton runs the country for a change.

[AspenRose]

31. What you said

If people thought the "swift boating" of Kerry was bad, just imagine what they would do to Hillary. The GOP is PRAYING for that opportunity. So it's "Hillary" 24/7 with them.

The Democratic Party needs to pick who is best for us and the country, not who the GOP (and dare I say it, DLC) wants them to pick.

[jonnyblitz]

32. i don't support anybody who doesn't want out of Iraq NOW

I am a single issue voter this time.

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

36. Likewise

The half-a-loaf crowd that tries to downplay Iraq misses the point. If a candidate supports the Iraq War and its expansion, there is no room in the domestic budget for the programs that Dems need to support. Nothing is more important in a candidate's stands than war and peace.

[wisteria]

33. Oh, I would not be excited about a Hillary run either for one of the

very reasons you mention.

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

35. A female president is electable, just not Hillary

I'm always entertained by the idiots on TV who claim that opposition to Hillary is "only about not liking a female candidate." That's crap. As an analogy, among say a dozen male candidates running for POTUS in any given election year, 11 of the 12 will be rejected by voters. Does this mean that voters are "anti-male" b/c they've rejected so many male candidates? No, it's b/c they've deemed those particular candidates to be unacceptable. Same with Hillary. Opposition to her, from what I've gleaned, has less to do with her gender and far more to do with her positions. I alone have met scores of people who would not vote for Hillary but would, for example, support Barbara Boxer, in part b/c Hillary is a DLC booster of the neocons' world war agenda and, too often these days, a corporate apple-polisher on her stands on issues like outsourcing. (Biden's even worse, rejecting that medical bills' amendment to the bankruptcy bill-- at least Hillary did support that.)

The point is that all the Hillary hoopla is ridiculously overstated and more than a little irritating. Moreover, many Hillary supporters then try to trash opponents with the same sorry straw man, when opposition stems far more from deep policy convictions and antipathy about her war support than superficial considerations.