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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:18 PM
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In honor of K BaileyHutch, get your hypocritical GOP perjury quotes here:
Edited on Sun Oct-23-05 11:06 PM by NormaR
Take a look at what the GOP actually said while you had your fingers in your ears back in 1998, and put it in your back pocket for future use. You never know when it might come in handy.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/impeach121498.htm

TOM DELAY:

"I would just hope," said DeLay, "that the president would put the American people ahead of his own ambitions and resign."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/barrtext121198.htm

BOB BARR (R-Ga.):


While reverence for parallels with the Nixon impeachment is seductive but inappropriate, there are some points worth noting. In the Nixon case, for example, lying to Congress and to the American people in just such a manner, provoked a separate article of impeachment. Is the danger of such an attack on our constitutional processes any less dangerous today?

Sadly, I believe the case we are discussing today is but a small manifestation of ...utter and complete disregard for the rule of law. Throughout his presidency, his administration has been so successful at thwarting investigations and obstructing the work of Congress and the courts, that it may be decades before history reveals the vastness of his abuse of power, or the extent of the damage it has wrought. (I think this one is my favorite.)

President Clinton apparently subscribes to the same theory Richard Nixon articulated in a 1977 interview with David Frost. Nixon said "When the president does it, that means it is not illegal." That was dead wrong then, and it is dead wrong today -- wrong, that is, unless one subscribes to the principle that the president is not only above the law, but that he is the law. (No, this one is my favorite!)


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/hutchinsonstext121198.htm

ASA HUTCHINSON (R-Ark.):


I believe the damage to the State and to the integrity of government occurs when those in high office violate a court oath and the constitutional oath to assure the faithful execution of the laws.

One of the president's own witnesses, former Congressman Wayne Owens, stated in 1974 that for an action to be impeachable conduct, quote, "It must be a violation of a principle of conduct which members of the House determine should be applied to all future presidents and established as a constitutional precedent," end quote.

I believe Mr. Owens is correct. I have no trouble in setting a benchmark that future presidents cannot willfully and repeatedly lie under oath in an official judicial proceeding without jeopardizing their office. On the contrary, I have a great deal of trouble in lowering the standards to say to future presidents, "Lying under oath, no matter how often and now matter how intentional, is considered acceptable conduct."

As the Supreme Court said in the "United States vs. Holland," quote, "Perjury, regardless of the setting, is a serious offense that results in incalculable harm to the function of the legal system, as well to private individuals," end quote. In my judgment, perjury goes to the heart of our judicial process and our very system of government and constitutes a "high crime and misdemeanor."


...

The final argument of the president is that to go forward with an impeachment trial would traumatize the country. First, as usual, I believe that the trauma is overstated. But more importantly, the strength of the Constitution is understated. I believe our Constitution is strong, and we need to follow it and trust it. It will work as the Founding Fathers designed it. As Barbara Jordan (sp) stated in a similar time in 1974, my faith in the Constitution is whole. It is complete. It is total. I share that belief.

...My preeminent concern is that the Constitution be followed and that all Americans, regardless of their position in society, receive equal and unbiased treatment in our courts of law. The fate of no president, no political party, and no member of Congress merits a slow unraveling of the fabric of our constitutional structure. As John Adams said, we are a nation of laws, not of men.

Our nation has survived the failings of its leaders before, but it cannot survive exceptions to the rule of law in our system of equal justice for all. There will always be differences between the powerful and the powerless. But imagine a country where a Congress agrees the strong are treated differently than the weak, where mercy is the only refuge for the powerless, where the power of our positions govern all of our decisions. Such a country cannot long endure. God help us to do what is right, not just for today, but for the future of this nation and for those generations that must succeed us.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/peasetext121198.htm"

EDWARD PEASE (R-Ind.):

As I have earlier observed, I am not prepared to accept that the standard of performance for an American president is simply that he or she is not indictable. I agree with those who assert that every American is entitled to privacy in his or her personal life and that, no matter what we may think of another's actions in that regard, it is, to use the vernacular, simply none of our business -- period.

Our business does include, through, the performance of public duties, the integrity of the judicial process, and the protection and defense of the Constitution. Accordingly, I have concluded that perjury or false statements under oath, obstruction of justice and abuse of the Office of the Presidency are all impeachable offenses. I believe, given the facts before this committee, that each of them has been proven by a preponderance of the evidence in this case.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/rogantext121198.htm"

JAMES ROGAN (R-Ca.):

Next, the Constitution solemnly required President Clinton, as a condition of his becoming president, to swear an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution and to take care that our nation's laws be faithfully executed.

That oath of obligation required the president to defend our laws that protect women in the workplace, just as it also required him to protect our legal system from perjury, obstruction of justice, and abuse of power. Fidelity to the presidential oath is not dependent on any president's personal threshold of comfort or embarrassment. Neither must it be a slave to the latest polling data. Even more disturbing is the current readiness of some to embrace out of political ease a thoroughly bastardized oath, so long as the offender expresses generalized contrition while at the same time rejecting meaningful constitutional accountability.

...

There is no business of government more important than upholding the rule of law. A sound economy amounts to nothing beside it, because without the rule of law, all contracts are placed in doubt and all rights to property become conditional.

National security is not more important than the rule of law, because without it, there can be no security and there is little left defending. And the personal popularity of any president when weighed against this one fundamental concept that forever distinguishes us from every other nation -- no person is above the rule of law.

Mr. Chairman, the evidence clearly shows that the president engaged in a repeated and lengthy pattern of felonious conduct, conduct for which ordinary citizens can and have been routinely prosecuted and jailed. This simply cannot be wished or censured away. With his conduct aggravated by a motivation of personal and pecuniary leverage rather than by national security or some other legitimate government function, the solemnity of my own oath of office obliges me to do what the president has failed to do -- defend the rule of law, despite any personal or political costs.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/bonotext121198.htm

MARY BONO (R-Ca.):

How can anyone look their children in the eye and tell them that they must tell truth, after they see the president of the United States lie to the entire nation on television?

He abused his power as chief executive to protect himself at the expense of his family, his friends, his Cabinet and sadly, the American people.

I do believe the public deserves a president who adheres to a higher principle, and I am not afraid to admit that. It is what our forefathers fought and died for; it is what our veterans risked their lives for; it is what we all pray for, for our children.

...

And that concerns me greatly. ...

Today, the president's lawyers asked us to put an end to this process for the good of the nation. If the president had really wanted to save the nation the turmoil of this past year, he should have been more truthful or forthcoming from the beginning. Or, as some have already suggested, he could have simply resigned.

So I say to the president today, if you really believe that this process will cause our nation irreparable harm, I ask you for the good of the nation -- resign and spare our country a lengthy and divisive impeachment process. The simple truth is that this issue would not even be before us if the president simply told the truth or settled with Paula Jones in the beginning, rather than telling his political operatives that they would just have to win instead.

...

That is one reason why so many Americans have lost faith in our legal system. The lesson women learn from the Paula Jones case is not to challenge a powerful person, certainly not someone who has the best lawyers and the resources of a nation at his disposal. Believe me, the example this sends is that any person who challenges a figure of authority is going to be subjected to all types of abuse. Let me tell you, that is a very scary message.

Another concern that is very scary is the effect the president's behavior will have on our national security. Just a few months ago, I found myself, along with many other Americans and even the media, wondering if our strike against terrorism was life imitating art or a genuine response to a terrorist organization. Just the thought that the possibility existed that the president was engaging in a "Wag the Dog" scenario was chilling and profoundly disappointing. As a nation, we deserve better.

You know, a lot of people ask me if I'm concerned about voting to impeach a popular president. They talk about his high approval ratings and the polls that say most Americans oppose impeachment. But I cannot allow my decision to be based on the president's popularity or the numbers in a poll. History will judge us on the facts, and I want future generations to look at the evidence and say that what we did was based on the law and upon our constitutional duty.

I know that the president is a very likeable man. I understand why people want this issue to just go away. But the issue we are facing is at the very core of our constitutional system, and while many people may like this president, I hope that they love their country more, because that is what I will base my vote on -- my love for this country and on our Constitution. If we do not uphold its principles, the foundation of our system of government will be undermined forever.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/hydetest121198.htm

HENRY HYDE (R-Ill.):

The rule of law protects you and it protects me from the midnight fire on our roof or the 3 a.m. knock on our door. It challenges abuse of authority. It's a shame "Darkness at Noon" is forgotten, or "The Gulag Archipelago," but there is such a thing lurking out in the world called abuse of authority, and the rule of law is what protects you from it. And so it's a matter of considerable concern to me when our legal system is assaulted by our nation's chief law enforcement officer, the only person obliged to take care that the laws are faithfully executed.

...

Now we're told an impeachment trial would be too divisive and too disruptive, that it would reverse two elections. We're not reversing any election. Bob Dole will not end up president of the United States if there is an impeachment. We are following a process wisely set down as a check and balance on executive overreaching, by our Founding Fathers.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/impeach121498.htm


"I think the president should step down," Hyde said in one of two television appearances he made the day after the Judiciary Committee completed its two-month impeachment inquiry. "I think he could really be heroic if he did that. He would be the savior of his party. . . . It would be a way of going out with honor. If he doesn't, it's hard to predict what the consequences are."


EDIT TO ADD:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/cannontext121198.htm

Christopher Cannon (R-Utah):

But we do want the president and those around him and future presidents and those around them to know that we will not allow weakness of character, willfulness, or any other trait of a president to undermine the sacredness of oaths, because Kennedy and Jay are right. ...

There are some, who call themselves Americans and who understand these principles, who cover them over with facile arguments because they want to preserve their power.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:20 PM
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1. Hypocrites on parade. Thanks. n.t
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:21 PM
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2. What a treasure!
Thank you for this collection, Norma!

Now let's watch other DUers add to this compilation.

:D
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Nashyra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:23 PM
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4. Yes
This is exactly what I need for this week.
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:26 PM
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9. warm up your LTTEs...
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:23 PM
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3. But but but...
Were not talking about Clinton now.
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:24 PM
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7. But we are talking about general lying to America, and abuse of power...
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:28 PM
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10. I was being sarcastic.
:)
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:33 PM
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12. I know, just driving the point home. There's more than perjury here.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:23 PM
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5. Kicked, bookmarked, recommended! Thank you! nt
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:23 PM
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6. Thanks for the hard work!
Recommended without a second thought.
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:24 PM
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8. Thank you!
Nominated. :yourock:
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:28 PM
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11. Almost fell out of my chair when she said that!
Edited on Sun Oct-23-05 10:28 PM by AtomicKitten
Well that and the crack Sen. Allen made about "activist liberals" on the Supreme Court. Republicans really do swallow ... otherwise they'd be choking on their hypocrisy.

It's almost Fitzmas!!!
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:34 PM
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13. Excellent collection of quotes
George Bush gave us a gift whe have yet to fully appreciate. He refused to testify under oath. Why? Because he couldn't.

If Bush could have testified truthfully under oath, he should have done so. It would have cleared him of suspicion, and helped to defuse the scandal. He didn't do it because he could not testify under oath without committing perjury.

He placed himself above the law because he is in the same place Clinton was in. Worse, actually. Clinton's truth was embarrassing. Bush's truth is criminal, treasonous and impeachable.
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:36 PM
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14. Just reading a couple of those gets me physically angry.
I feel the need to hit something (or someone).

Must breathe...
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:51 PM
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16. me too, those dirty lying scumbag traitors-trying to overturn an election
Edited on Sun Oct-23-05 10:53 PM by NormaR
with their trumped up lies. Fuck them. Fuck. them.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 11:01 PM
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17. Exactly what I was thinking!!! I am ready to kick some Republican ass!!
I hate these lying hypocritical sons-of-bitches!

:D
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:38 PM
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15. K & R
Great job.
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 11:38 PM
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18. Here's more:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/sensenbrennertext121098.htm

James Sensenbrenner (R-Wisc.):

No amount of government education programs and day-care facilities can reverse the damage done to our children's values by the leader of our country.

But being a poor example isn't grounds for impeachment; undermining the rule of law is. Frustrating the court's ability to administer justice turns private misconduct into an attack upon the ability of one of the three branches of our government to impartially administer justice. This is a direct attack on the rule of law in our country and a very public wrong that goes to the constitutional workings of our government.

...

When Americans come to Washington, they see the words "equal justice under law" carved in the facade of the Supreme Court building. Those words mean that the weak and the poor have an equal right to justice, as do the rich and the powerful.

...

The framers of the Constitution devised an elaborate system of checks and balances to ensure our liberty by making sure that no person, institution or branch of government became so powerful that a tyranny could be established in the United States of America. Impeachment is one of the checks the framers gave the Congress to prevent the executive or judicial branches from becoming corrupt or tyrannical. Today, based upon the evidence that the president lied, obstructed and abused power in an effort to prevent the court from administering equal justice under law, I cast my vote in favor of impeaching...


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/mccollumtext121098.htm

Bill McCollum (R-Fla.)

People who go to court in our system expect witnesses who are called to testify to tell the truth to the judge and the jurors. That's what we mean by the term "rule of law." Without truthful testimony, justice can't be rendered and the system doesn't work. That's why a person who testifies in court is sworn "to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth." And that's why if in court proceedings a person lies, encourages others to lie, hides evidence, or encourages others to hide evidence, he is subject to severe punishment. In fact, the Federal Sentencing Guidelines state that people who are convicted of perjury, obstruction of justice are punished more harshly than those who commit the crime of bribery. ...committed the crimes of perjury, obstruction of justice and witnesses tampering, he should be impeached.

Under the Constitution, impeachable offenses are "treason, bribery and other high crimes and misdemeanors." If our courts, for good reason, punish perjury and obstruction of justice more severely than bribery, how could anyone conclude they're not impeachable offenses? Bribery and perjury both go to the same grave offense, the undermining of the administration of justice. And how could any person who fully understands and reflects on this fail to see that a president who gives perjurious, false and misleading testimony in a civil rights action brought against him, and before a federal grand jury, and encourages others to give perjurious, false and misleading testimony, and uses the powers of his office to conceal the truth from the court and the grand jury and cover up his crimes should be impeached.

The president is the chief executive officer of the nation, the chief law enforcement officer of the nation, and our military's commander in chief. If we tolerate such serious crimes as perjury and obstruction of justice by the president of the United States and fail to impeach him, there will be grave, damaging consequences for our system of government.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/smithtext121098.htm

Lamar Smith (R-Texas)

Some of the president's defenders would like to change the subject and talk about anybody else but the president, and about anything else except the allegations of lying under oath, obstruction of justice, and abuse of office. Such efforts are an affront to all who value truth over tactics, substance over spin, principles over politics.

...

As to the uniqueness of the office the president holds, he is a person in a position of immense authority and influence. He influences the lives of millions of Americans. He sets an example for us all. A sixth-grader from Chisholm (sp) Middle School in Round Rock, Texas recently wrote me. She said, bluntly, "He has lied to the American people.

And although I realize what he lied about has nothing to do with him running the country, then what else would he lie about? He let us down. Kids that think he is a role model now are heartbroken."

The president sets an example for adults, too. When he took the oath of office, he swore to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States and to take care that the laws be faithfully executed. The president has rightly been called the number-one law enforcement officer of the country. As such, he has a special responsibility to take care that he not commit any crime, particularly such a serious one as perjury, a felony for which a person can go to jail for up to five years.

When someone is elected president, they receive the greatest gift possible from the American people, their trust. To violate that trust is to raise questions about fitness for office. My constituents often remind me that if anyone else in a position of authority -- for example, a business executive, a military officer of a professional educator -- had acted as the evidence indicates the president did, their career would be over. The rules under which President Nixon would have been tried for impeachment had he not resigned contain this statement: "The office of the president is such that it calls for a higher level of conduct than the average citizen in the United States."
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 04:31 AM
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19. save these where you can find them
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 09:57 AM
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20. Priceless and just the tip of the iceberg I am so sure.
Karma in motion. Just beautiful.
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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 09:57 AM
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21. The MOTHER LODE of hypocritical Republican Clinton statements is at URL
Edited on Mon Oct-24-05 09:59 AM by AirAmFan
http://thomas.loc.gov/home/r106query.html .

This is the rather cumbersome but powerful search engine for the 106th Congress--the one that impeached Bill Clinton.

Select "Hutchison" in the Senate Member list, and then go to the "Date Received or Session" section. Select "From...Through", enter "2/12/1999" in both boxes, click on the SEARCH button, and then click on hit #3.

You'll see an outline of the February 12 1999 Congressional Record of the Senate impeachment trial. It runs from page S1457 to S1637. It has the statements Senators made just before they voted whether or not to remove a President from the White House, for the first time in US history.

You'll be able to click through to Gorton's statement on page S1462, Hutchison's on page S1466, etc.
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 08:51 PM
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30. great! thanks.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:01 AM
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22. Recommended for greatest!!
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GumboYaYa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:07 AM
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23. I'm faxing these to her office.
Everyone else should as well.

SENATOR KAY BAILEY HUTCHISON
284 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510-4304
202-224-5922
202-224-0776 (FAX)
202-224-5903 (TDD)

Make the fax machines burn today. Send them to thepress as well.

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jasmeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:13 AM
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24. This is such an important thread. I can't tell you how much those
quotes piss me off from the perspective of what is going on in this country today compared to during Clinton's term.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 04:01 PM
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25. Frist and Santorum
Frist:

The criminal law of the United States forbids perjury before a grand jury. To prove a case of grand jury perjury, a prosecutor must demonstrate: (1) that the defendant testified under oath before a grand jury; (2) that the testimony so given was false in one or more respects; (3) the false testimony concerned material matters; and (4) the false testimony was knowingly given.

The United States criminal code makes it illegal for one to obstruct justice. The precise wording of the general obstruction of justice statute -- Title 18, section 1503 of the United States Code -- provides: `Whoever . . . corruptly . . . influences, obstructs, or impedes, or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede, the due administration of justice, shall be punished. . . .' Courts have interpreted the word `corruptly' to mean that the defendant had an intent to obstruct, impair, or impede the due administration of justice.

http://www.ameriroots.com/impeachment/senator_frist.html

Santorum:

The grand jury is one of the checks that make up our system of checks and balances. This represents one of the great strengths of our Republic. Perjury in this context is inherently severe, regardless of the level of egregiousness found within each count.

Regarding Article II, constitutional scholar Charles J. Cooper stated, ‘The crime...of obstruction of justice, like the crimes of treason and bribery, are quintessentially offenses against our system of government, visiting injury immediately on society itself, whether or not committed in connection with the exercise of official government powers.’

For a lie to constitute felony perjury requires two components: that the lie was asserted under oath in the context of a legal proceeding, and that the lie was material to the issue in question. I am guided by Black's Law Dictionary, which defines perjury as follows:
In criminal law, the willful assertion as to a matter of fact, opinion, belief, or knowledge, made by a witness in a judicial proceeding as part of his evidence either upon oath or in any form allowed by law to be substituted for an oath, whether such evidence is given in open court, or in an affidavit, or otherwise, such assertion being material to the issue or point of inquiry and known to such witness to be false.

As discussed with respect to perjury, I believe impeachable offenses can only be determined on a case by case basis. Nonetheless, I am guided by the constitutional scholar, Charles J. Cooper, who stated,
The crime...of obstruction of justice, like the crimes of treason and bribery, are quintessentially offenses against our system of government, visiting injury immediately on society itself, whether or not committed in connection with the exercise of official government powers.

http://www.ameriroots.com/impeachment/senator_santorum.html
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 05:51 PM
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26. It took extended speed dialing but I finally spoke to someone in her DC ..
... office.

My request for an apology to all law-abiding, truth-telling citizens was made as compassionately and courteously as possible.


Peace.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 07:42 PM
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28. Smooth, very smooth... ;-) (nt)
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 08:49 PM
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29. Wow!
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 07:40 PM
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27. Wow - The First is the Best -- Tom Delay:
"I would just hope," said DeLay, "that the president would put the American people ahead of his own ambitions and resign."

I wonder if that could possibly, have anything to do with his attempt to change rules in Congress so that an indicted Majority Leader would not have to step down from that role?

Hmmmmm.....

:crazy:
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