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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 09:53 AM
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If someone wants to compare Fitzgerald to Ken Starr
as some right wingers seem to want to do, let's not forget some of the key details between Leakgate and the endless witch hunt the GOP promoted in the 1990s...

1) Clinton was accused of having profited from the Whitewater land deal (in fact, he LOST $200,000). The charge was investigated by Poppa Bush's Resolution Trust Corp during the election and found to be bogus.

After the election ithe GOP commissioned the Republican-dominated law firm Pillsbury, Madison Sutro to carry out an investigation. The report found no evidence of any wrongdoing by the Clintons.

Which didn't keep crooked Al D'Amato and the Senate Banking Committee from taking up yet another investigation. "This is worse than Watergate," D'Amato cried as the probe started, but it eventually piddled out, and the final report found no evidence of any wrongdoing by the Clintons.

Which didn't keep Indiana GOP nutcase Dan Burton from launching another investigation with the House Committee on Government Reform. This investigation wandered all over the map investigating imaginary crimes. Some highlights:
--Burton released a transcript of a prison conversation in which Webster Hubbell seemed to be saying that Hillary Clinton; the transcript omitted words like "not" however.
--Burton shot his handgun into melons in public as part of an investigation into Vince fosters suicide.
--Burton launched an investigation into Clinton's supposed "Chinese connection" which subpoeaned schoolteachers and postmen of Oriental descent under the bizarre delusion that they were financiers Time and again these citizens were forced to hire attorneys and fly to Washington to explain that they were not money men for the Chinese govenment.
--Burton subpoenaed Clinton officials to a closed door session where he quizzed them under oath about the meteorite found in Antartica which may or may not have contained organic material from Mars.

Which didn't keep the GOP from demanding a special prosecutor be named by the Department of Justice to look into the Whitewater charges. Janet Reno named lifelong partisan Republican Robert Fiske, who held an investigation into the matter and his final report found no evidence of any wrongdoing by the Clintons.

Which didn't keep GOP judge David Sentelle from replacing Fiske with Republican woowoo Ken Starr, who:
--had been International Paper's lawyer in the Whitewater deal and had gotten fired because the corporation also got fleeced;
--had been fired from the Justice Department by Clinton's Associate Attorney General Webster Hubbell;
--was arguing a case against Clinton's Justice Department on behalf of Brown and Williamson tobacco in Federal Court; and
--wrote an article for a right wing magazine claiming that Bill Clinton was guilty; and
--was secretly advising behind the scenes of the bogus Paula Jones sexual harassment case.
Starr's final report found no evidence of any wrongdoing by the Clintons.

Which didn't keep the GOP from naming Giuliani crony Robert Ray from launching an investigation into Whitewater; HIS final report found no evidence of any wrongdoing by the Clintons.

2) Starr's report on Clinton's sex life was read into the House Judiciary Committee as evidence with no hearings. The impeachment vote occured along party lines. Because there was no hearing, the "witness tampering" count disappeared in a puff of smoke when it was easily proved that the person Clinton was alleged to have tampered with had not actually been called as a witness anywhere.

3) Although the claim of perjury was much bandied about during the impeachment farce, the House managers were unable to single out anything that Clinton had said anywhere that might amount to perjury. Which didn't keep Republicans from claiming that perjury had been committed.

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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 09:58 AM
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1. Well done.
Thank you for assembling that chronology of lunacy.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 10:09 AM
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7. Thanks...
One of my favorite assertions of right wing loonies was that "Clinton brought it on himself"...as if the GOP witchhunt would have been called off in 1992 if Clinton had stood up and said "Nothing at all to Whitewater, but I plan to get me one of them blow jobs some day."

Worth noting that while all this was going on, Newt Gingrich was banging his own office assistant in the speaker's office...and that Gingrich's third marriage blew up when his wife found out.
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central scrutinizer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 10:01 AM
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2. Ella Fitzgerald had more musical talent
in her little finger than Ringo Starr had in his whole body. Sorry - total non sequitir to a good post.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 10:01 AM
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3. Reccomended. Excellent summary. No doubt we will need this n/t
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 10:10 AM
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8. You already see efforts by the GOP
to muddle the facts in this case by muddling some of the facts in the earlier one.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 10:02 AM
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4. Then why did the Arkansas SC suspend and fine him?
Were there not ANY perjury incidents? Was there no hearing there, either?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 10:06 AM
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5. That was due to pressure from a guy named Matt Glavine
and his crapass right wing foundation...and it was for "immoral acts".

Fun fact: Not long after that "victory for morality," Glavine was nabbed by cops yanking his doodle dandy on a bench in a public park...at his guilty plea, it emerged it was the second time he'd got caught.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 10:08 AM
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6. LOL! Thanks!
I'm so glad the adults are in charge....
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 10:14 AM
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9. Anytime...
You might recall that while the GOP were impeaching Clinton for his immorality, a gump named Bob Livingston was briefly Speaker of the House (following Gingrich, who was having an affair with an office assistant at the time). Livingston almost immediately "resigned with honor"; rumor was that it was because he liked to pay women to tie him up and spank him, and that Larry Flint had the dirt on that.

Dan Burton was found to have a mistress on both the office and campaign payrolls (double dipping) and had a second mistress hold a press conference AT THE TIME to complain he had stopped paying her and his bastard son hush money.
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 10:29 AM
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14. It was a real circle-jerk.
One puke leader after another fell for infidelity as they were persecuting Clinton for infidelity. There was very littel coverage in the corporate media about the ridiculous hyper-hypocrisy of the GOP leadership. Still pisses me off.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 08:10 PM
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19. Exactly so....
Remember, after all that hoohah, it turned out Paula Jones had gone up to Clinton's hotel room on her own get-go, and received regular pay raises and promotions until she quit to become the freeper's pin-up girl.

Her lawsuit fell apart about two minutes after she started testifying.
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lakemonster11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:11 AM
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26. That led to my all-time favorite SNL skit.
It's been a long time, but this is how I remember it:

Livingston and Gingrich are in this bar, drinking and looking shell-shocked. They are having a conversation, but really all they keep saying is, "What the hell happened?"

Then Clinton comes out of a back room, grinning, a bottle in one hand and a scantily-clad girl under his arm. He sees the two of them and walks over. They have a funny conversation, then Clinton says, "Bartender, two drinks for my friends here. Just charge it to the President of the United States." The crowd gives a huge cheer. Then he leaves them there looking just as shell-shocked as they were before.

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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:45 AM
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31. I remember that!
About that time, a right wing loony on the Delphi forum (one of the real life models for Bob Boudelang) actually claimed that they had "resigned with honor"....

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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:59 AM
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28. Hyde also was found to have been having a long-term affair
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:46 AM
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32. As I recall...
one of the others (the one from Florida?) turned out to be a closeted gay....

Hyde, by the way, also was hip-deep in the Clyde S&L scandal in which drug money was knowingly laundered....
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 10:21 PM
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24. can you imagine that
loping your mule in public
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:47 AM
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33. It'll never stand up in court....
Edited on Wed Oct-26-05 08:48 AM by MrBenchley
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 04:17 PM
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16. Ethics violation

As a defendant Clinton was asked a direct question that might harm his case in court. His lawyer in that event could not advise him to misdirect the question. His laywer would have had to advise him to take the 5th. Of course, a defendant need not take that advise. He can talk all the shit he wants as long as he doesn't tell a material falsehood.

As a defendant Clinton did nothing wrong.

However, Clinton was also a lawyer. His efforts to misdirect the question instead of taking the 5th was ruled a violation of legal ethics. Not the violation of a law, but a violation of the ethics code of the Arkansas Bar association.

Had Clinton not been a lawyer, there would have been no fine. Nor, obviously, could he have had his license to practice law suspended.

Even so, it wasn't that strong a case for an ethics violation. But sometimes you just pay the parking ticket even when it was wrongly given because it just isn't worth the hassle. In this case Clinton did not bother challenging.

Finally, who cares. William Jefferson Clinton is just some guy in New York who holds no position of any import whatsoever.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:57 AM
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27. all democrats on the court were forced to recuse themselves
apparently only republicans could be non-partisan
:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
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moc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 10:15 AM
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10. K&R
Everyone needs to have this handy. Thanks for the good job.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 10:21 AM
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11. Thanks...
Thought it was worth remembering when Kay Bailey hutchinson starts yammering about technicalities....
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 10:28 AM
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13. I think there was a "clarification" from her office. Apparently the outcry
was so great over her "perjury technicality" comments, that she was forced to say that she DID consider perjury a serious crime, after all. LOL
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 08:14 PM
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22. LOL!
As Ron Ziegler once said, that statement was inoperative.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 10:22 AM
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12. Al D'Amato turned $500 into $35K in a matter of hours
(when the company's rules did not allow investment amounts that miniscule). He mentioned that this type of thing was irrelevent . . .
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 08:07 PM
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18. Al was an amazing piece of work....
Openly racist, and mob-connected...
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 02:08 PM
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15. This is too useful to let sink off the front page. Kick. n/t
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 08:11 PM
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20. Thanks...
Shall we mention the bogus "Clinton Death List" and compare it to the 2,000 Americans killed in Chimpy's bogus war?
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ebal Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 06:09 PM
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17. You didn't mention
The repukes say:

In the civil case brought by Paula Jones, Monica Lewinsky singed an affidavit, at President Clinton's suggestion, for Paula Jones' lawyers stating she never had an affair with President Clinton.

They were searching his background to find past sexual harrassment behavior under the law President Clinton had previously signed enabling that in court cases.

And that his perjury was in denying sexual relations in that civil case when Paula Jone's lawyers were trying to prove his behavior as part of their sexual harrassment case.



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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 08:13 PM
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21. And yet they couldn't actually produce a statement
that Clinton said. The closest they could get is that "what the meaning of is, is" rubbish.

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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 09:19 AM
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37. Don't forget the definitions used.
Although Clinton did have a sexual affair by most of our standards, don't forget that Wash. D.C. had, and may still have, a specific definition of "sexual relations" that is, specifically, penile-vaginal intercourse, which Clinton and Monica did NOT have. (Their activities were oral sex and petting.) Clinton was, and still is, very smart. He made his deposition from D.C. over TV, and could then use that phrase, as he did, under oath, truthfully.

It was up to the prosecutor to elicit the responses, not for someone under oath to offer extra material.

The IS IS, is complicatedly contextual. As I recall, he was read a prior passage and was asked if there is still an affair. Had he said yes, CONs could say that Monica-Bill was still happening, which it wasn't. Had he said no, CONs could say that at the time of the read passage there indeed was an affair, which there HAD BEEN, which IS true. Both would have spun well as lies -- yes, or, no.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 08:16 PM
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23. Those facts will mean absolutely nothing to the RW
because they don't ever use facts in any argument.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:48 AM
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34. But they are facts nevertheless....
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 10:51 PM
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25. Why do we allow Republicans to waste perfectly good air.
They are scum of the earth sons-of-bitches and I'd not feel bad it they all committed a mass suicide in some bizarre RW religious exorcism.
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jarnocan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 06:01 AM
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29. thanks also-as far as Clinton B.S.-How about R.M.Scaife and S.M. MOON?
They also pumped millions into finding bogus BU**SH** and anti-Clinton smears. Remeber the Clinton tapes Jerry Falwell was hawking on his TV show etc. F
itzgerald was appointed by Ashcroft has done his job with NO hoopla or leaks from himself , and has a well established non-partisan history- prosecuted Democrats-and even terorists. Also has an ongoing investigation into Dem. Mayor Daily of Chicago,

http://www.millionphonemarch.com/pool.htm POOL. Info and action link.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:50 AM
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35. Exactly so....
The crimninalization of politics occurs because the GOP are criminal themselves...
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 06:12 AM
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30. umm... the bush administration could never stop choking on the profits
they are now and will soon be making from every rotten thing they've done to this country.

and the thugs haven't raised a single concern.

not one.

nothing to stop the billions.

and billions.

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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:51 AM
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36. Hilariously, now that the shit is sinking
the right wingers are trying to pretend that Chimpy and his gang are not "real right wingers"....

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