Cindy Sheehan: Don't Support Clinton Unless She Flips On War

[sabra]

http://www.wnbc.com/politics/5172807/detail.html

Cindy Sheehan: Don't Support Clinton Unless She Flips On War


ALBANY, N.Y. -- Cindy Sheehan, who became the face of anti-war sentiment after her son died in Iraq, urged war opponents to thwart Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's political aspirations unless she comes out against the conflict.

Sheehan said Tuesday it doesn't appear Clinton is prepared to do that or call for a withdrawal of U.S. troops.

"I believe that any candidate who supports the war should not receive our support," Sheehan said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press. "It doesn't matter if they're Senator Clinton or whoever."

...

"After she met with me, she said she has to make sure our sons didn't die in vain," Sheehan recalled Tuesday. "That is a totally Republican talking point."

:popcorn:

[endarkenment]

1. but Cindy....

we have to complete the mission! Many more must die so that those who already have died will not be quite so lonely. Thousands more, tens of thousands more, hundreds of thousands more. There is no price too high, we must complete the mission!

So what exactly is the mission?

When will it be complete?

Which version of the many missions we have been told we are on is the one we must complete?

[still_one]

2. She didn't have to say it for me

I will NOT support anyone who is for this war

I will not accept nauances that we "must stay the course", that was the same bullshit we heard in Nam

No one has a right to authorize people to die based on a lie

[Sallow]

51. Damn..I hate doing this.

As against the war as I was from the beginning, IMHO I don't think the United States can pull out our military for quite awhile. Bush had no idea what a mess this would create and it's going to be left up to some future administration to clean it up. Right now this is a worse situation then Vietnam. At least in Vietnam, the opposing side had some semblence of responsiblity. They were someone that the US could have talks with, now, there are fractured insurgents and opportunistic terrorists involved in Iraq. There is no one to "talk" too. On top of that, there are three distinct factions vying for independence - the Kurds, the Shiites and the Sunnis. While on the surface, one might be tempted to say..hey, lets walk away and let the chips fall where they may..that is simply something we can't do. First off..Turkey would never accept a Kurdish state. That would lead to a war. The Sunnis would be unhappy if they have no access to oil revenue and the Shiites would most likely become part of Iran. And this is the good result. The bad result would be totally anarchy which would lead to country where terrorists would run the show.

In any case..there would be massive bloodshed if we left..as civil war usually produces that.

[okieinpain]

82. glad to see someone looking down the road. I agree.

[Sallow]

87. If we don't do the right thing, it's going to come back at us in a big way

It's no longer a matter of who did what...it's a matter of what do we do now. This is not a football game and what happens here will affect what happens in the future.

[Loonman]

3. Called that one right

Hillary has shown herself to be a power hungry centrist.

[Hardrada]

4. I have never seen HRC as a viable candidate for prez.

Now might vote for her for dog catcher.

[shadowknows69]

5. I said it before ill say it again

I always vote but ill stay home or go green if hilary ends up being our candidate. I'd rather be raped by the opposition than my own party thanks anyway.

[WhiteTara]

6. Cindy has a lot of power

Let's see if Hillary knows which way the wind blows. However, if she changes, I would still be suspect because IMO it would show that she is so ambitious that would say and do anything to get what she wants...sort of * lite

[papau]

7. I love Cindy but do not see the need to make "out tomorrow" the

litmus test.

"Patriots are we" is a real necessity, as is "there is a GOP mess to fix" that makes leaving tomorrow -(rather than a year from tomorrow at 50% of troop number as today, and in 2 years we are out)- seem "wrong".

I suspect Hillary will go with goal date certain - not out date certain - fairly soon.

Indeed that approach might have some justification, eh?

[...of J.Temperance]

8. This sort of attitude just does NOT help us

Cindy Sheehan shouldn't be making THESE sort of comments. I don't care that Hillary supported the war. I'm looking to Hillary's other votes, the other 90%, where she votes AGAINST Junior's crazy judicial nominees, where she votes FOR a raise in the Minimum Wage, where she votes to KEEP abortion legal, where she votes to KEEP Social Security, where she votes to KEEP Medicare, where she votes AGAINST more reckless tax cuts, where she votes FOR KEEPING the Filibuster...I could go on.

I was against the Iraq War and I'm STILL against it...but I REFUSE to cut my nose off to spite my face and wish Hillary would LOSE to a fanatical Repuke who would support EVERYTHING that I'm AGAINST.

Please, let's be sensible and put things into a wider context.

[meganmonkey]

12. Who is 'US' ?

as in "This sort of attitude just does NOT help us" ?

What does Cindy owe the Dems, that she shouldn't speak the truth about them? She isn't their paid spokesperson or something :shrug:

You want to put it in a wider context? Fine - how about the whole world. Cindy represents the feelings of more people than Hillary or most others in the Senate on the issue of the Iraq War.

[brentspeak]

21. She certainly doesn't speak for more people on other issues

Cindy's "get the troops out of occupied New Orleans" comment showed once and for all that she's surrounded herself with a lot of left-wing wackos. These people are tickled pink to find that they're being sponsored by someone who's surrounded by TV cameras; they would never get in the news otherwise.

[...of J.Temperance]

25. Us = The Democratic Party

Cindy Sheehan did express an interest, that at some point down the line she'd like to run for political office...and judging by comments she's made I'd say that she is a Democrat. Therefore she IS one of US.

The whole wide world, had they have been able to vote in the 2004 election WOULD have voted Democratic...simply to get George W. Hitler and his fellow mad people OUT.

We ALL want these freaks OUT and I wouldn't want to hamstring ANY of our elected politicians by saying "Oh I can't vote for so and so because they supported this that I DON'T support...or they voted for this which I DON'T support."

What, is that Pirro nutjob going to be BETTER than Hillary? No she isn't.

I support 90% of what Hillary supports, I was AGAINST the Iraq War from the BEGINNING, but I'm NOT going to throw a Senate vote in OUR column AWAY because I disagree with Hillary on 10% of things. I'm looking at the 90% and supporting that. I don't want a Repuke Senator representing New York come the next election, I don't want to lose ANOTHER Senate seat.

[Chicago Democrat]

55. For me the war is a litmus test, Hillary, Biden even Kerry fail

Kerry, why don't you regret authorizing this monster? Cause you trusted him? What does that say about you?


Even Edwards... What putzes.. sorry the war is the only thing that matters now. (for me its issue number 1)

[Sallow]

88. Based on what the information he was given..

A Senator is not privy to the same information a President is..

And this President has been the most secretive in US history. Even the Brits said he was massaging data to fit his agenda.

Plus the mood of the country was inclined for revenge. All these factors led alot of people to make some really poor decisions.

[IndianaGreen]

13. You don't care about 2000 dead GIs and over 100,000 Iraqi civilians!

This is the result of Hillary's unrepentant vote for war and her continued support for it and for Bush's gulag and torture.

If you want the Democratic Party to go the way of the Whigs, just go ahead and nominate Hillary.

The same people that voted for Kerry in 2004 as part of the grand ABB coalition will never, ever, vote for a prowar candidate. Get it!

[...of J.Temperance]

18. I WASN'T talking about nominating Hillary in 2008!

I was talking about supporting her re-election bid to the Senate NEXT year. In 2008 I'd like John Edwards and Mark Warner.

I never supported the Iraq War, so of course I care about the dead soldiers and the dead civilians.

[IndianaGreen]

22. Hillary's reelection is for New Yorkers to decide

Hillary can stay in the Senate until the Second Coming for all I care.

[Dawgs]

16. I agree with ...of J.Temperance...

To many high and mighty "righteous" people on this site.

[meganmonkey]

23. If by 'righteous' you mean consistently anti-war, with an expectation

that our elected Democrats actually represent the people who elected them, well, I guess I'm "high and mighty "righteous""

:shrug:

[...of J.Temperance]

27. Thanks too :) n/t

[NYFlip]

84. I agree

I live in NY and will vote for Hillary. I don't approve of the war but I do like her stance on other issues. She's certainly better than Pirro or Cox.

[bluedog]

20. i agree with you on this one..........

I look to Hills other votes also.....she was not the only senator lied to about this war.....I believe cindy said herself that she was for it.until she found out the truth......well.that could be said about the sens. also......

I don't need another person thinking for me and telling me what I should do or how I should vote..sounds too much like the GOP lock step crap......sorry if this burns peoples asses.but thats my opinion......

[...of J.Temperance]

26. Thanks :) n/t

[gardenista]

68. I agree with you, J.Temp. Cindy is jumping the shark.

I supported her in the past, but she no longer speaks for me.

[Jacobin]

9. I'm with Cindy

Hillary said she wants to INCREASE troops by 80,000.

She's trying to be like LBJ.

Hillary will not get the time of fucking day from me until she grows up, wakes up and smells the coffee....its our countrymen's asses getting burned in IraqNam and our grandchildren's debt.

Spend five billion a week on developing alternative fuels and you won't have to murder and steal for oil.

[400Years]

38. I'm with Cindy as well

didn't she also vote for the patriot act

[Hardrada]

79. I used to call that LBJ type Democrat

Defense Contract Liberal (actually should be war contract now). So what has fucking changed since 1968? Nothing at all in regards to US militarism and the society as a whole has dropped the ball on social progress and the economy entirely. Dems are not reliable on that stuff either. The sole Dem congressperson from our state vote for the Bankruptcy bill.

[meganmonkey]

10. I REALLY hope I don't have to make a choice about voting for Hillary

in 2008. I don't know if I could do it unless she seriously changes her tune.

:shrug:

[IndianaGreen]

17. I won't support a prowar or anti-LGBT or anti-choice candidate in 2008

I won't vote against my own interests!

[Nite Owl]

11. DFA has a pledge

if you want to sign it

http://tools.democracyforamerica.com/petition/iraqpledge/


The war in Iraq began two years ago, on a promise of security -- and a web of deception. Now the mistruths have fallen away -- and we see a presidency, and American prestige, sunk in a quagmire. This is unacceptable. Take the pledge to send to Washington only those leaders with the courage to face the Iraq mess head-on.



I pledge to only support candidates who:
1. Acknowledge that the U.S. was misled into the war in Iraq
2. Advocate for a responsible exit plan with a timeline
3. Support our troops at home and abroad

Guess that means that any dem that doesn't do this won't get the support or endorsement of the DFA. That would include Hillary.

[Chicago Democrat]

61. Good pledge....Basically what Cindy is saying

but in words that a politician would be able to say.

[aquart]

14. I agree.

Hillary wants to appear tough. And she is. But she is also short-sighted. She goes along with the DLC, which has done nothing for either Americans in general or the Democratic Party specifically.

To me, she lacks the guts for a real fight: pulling out our troops and taking the fallout. Basically, she's Lyndon Johnson, without the Great Society.

[noonwitch]

15. I don't care who she is, no one tells me who to vote for.

I'm sympathetic to Cindy, losing a son and all, but I'm voting for Hillary. Cindy does not speak for me.

[IndianaGreen]

19. and Hillary does not speak for me!

and she will never get the vote of the peace movement.

[Pastiche423]

32. So, you want the war to continue?

You want 80,000 more of our sons and daughters to be killed or maimed?

You want a DLCer in the Oval Office?

You want another chickhawk in the WH?

IF Hillary decides to run, I will change my party affiliation back to Dem to work and vote against her.

IMHO, Cindy is right!

[noonwitch]

89. I want a democrat in the White House

1. A good number of democrats who I have voted for in the past voted for the resolution. They made the mistake of believing the intelligence that Bush presented. I'm not going to stop voting for Carl Levin, for example, because of his vote.
2. Does Cindy have a life outside of protesting anymore? I feel bad for her having lost a son, but it's not like Bush is going meet with her or anything. Her protest should have ended when he returned to Washington from his vacation in Crawford. Nobody outside of the left really cares about her protest anymore.
3. Hillary can win if she is nominated, contrary to what some of you think. She has strong support among minority voters and other core groups in the democratic base. She can win over enough swing voters, but she can't do so without appealing to the center. A far left liberal will not win the election. You can hope for that, but it's not going to happen in 2008. Go ahead, work for a candidate without a prayer like Kucinich or Boxer, and if one of them gets the nomination, watch as some repub like Allen wins in a landslide. Lets say Hillary still wins the nomination. Are you going to vote GOP? Or some loser third party candidate who doesn't have a prayer.
4. Why should I have a problem with the DLC? They got the only democratic president in the last 20 years elected twice.


Of course I don't want 80,000 dead american soldiers. I don't think anyone does, not even Bush or the freepers. Certainly, Hillary doesn't want to see that.

It's not going to matter anyways if McCain gets the GOP nomination.

[AZBlue]

24. Not calling for immediate withdrawal doesn't equal supporting the war!

The "leadership" we have now is too inept to handle anything. However, immediate withdrawal will leave the Iraqis in an even worse situation than they are in now. We ABSOLUTELY MUST protect the lives of our troops - but it is possible to do that and help the Iraqis as well.

And, no one tells me who to vote for or who not to vote for. This is a democracy and I'll make that decision for myself!

[Dave Sund]

30. But she does support the war

And she's betting on the wrong horse -- as are the Democrats. I sincerely hope she does not get the nomination. Not because right-wingers hate her -- but because she's simply not credible on Iraq. We need a viable anti-war candidate in 2008. Period.

[Chicago Democrat]

58. I'm with you buddy! 100% agree...

so nice to see someone who shares a belief

[IndianaGreen]

31. How many names do you want on the Iraq War Memorial?

Obviously for Hillary and her supporters 2,000 names ain't enough!

And, no one tells me who to vote for or who not to vote for. This is a democracy and I'll make that decision for myself!

Really? Tell that to those that are constantly attacking people that voted third party in 2000.

[AZBlue]

35. Since you asked: if it was up to me there'd be zero names.

[IndianaGreen]

39. Then you must support an immediate withdrawal

Our presence in Iraq will accomplish nothing other than put more names on a future Iraq War Memorial.

We lost this war. Deal with it!

[AZBlue]

42. I "must"? Please don't tell me what to think or believe. Ever.

And this wasn't a war - it was an invasion. You think we lost? Try talking to some Iraqis without water, electricity or gas. Afraid to go outside because they will be killed. They really lost here. It's not too late to help correct what we did to them though (without endangering more American lives). All it takes is a little compassion and an intelligent leadership.

[IndianaGreen]

43. so the solution to the rape of Iraq is to continue raping Iraq

I've been down this road during Vietnam and I am not about to endorse someone that wants this nation to embark on the "peace with honor" primrose path.

[AZBlue]

46. Please don't put words in my mouth or twist what I say either.

Open up your mind for a second to realize there's not just black and white. There are many shades of grey that are possible here. There are other possibilities besides continuing this stupid course and complete immediate withdrawal.

If you'd bothered to read what I said earlier, you'd have seen that's what I was talking about and you wouldn't dare accuse me of supporting the "rape" of Iraq.

[IndianaGreen]

48. There is no such thing as shades of grey when it comes to slaughter

which is precisely what we are doing to the Iraqi people in the name of Jesus.

[AZBlue]

65. Again, not what I said.

[gardenista]

69. Why is it that if we don't blindly follow Cindy, we are blood-thirsty war

mongers?

You have a simplistic way of viewing the world, not looking at the complexities of the issue.

And this is DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND. Not THIRD PARTY UNDERGROUND.

If you want people to rubber-stamp your ideas without question, then I suggest you try another website.

[High Plains]

74. Can you explain how our withdrawing will make things worse?

I think there is a reasonable argument to be made that the withdrawal of US troops would actually cool things down.

It is difficult to imagine things getting worse in Iraq than they are now.

I would wager that a US withdrawal would rapidly dry up support for Zarqawi and his killers. That would leave the Iraqis to settle things among themselves. It may not be pretty, but it probably wouldn't be as ugly as the current situation.

[Dave Sund]

28. I agree

To an extent. I'll throw my support behind anyone who calls for withdrawal in 2006, and I won't support any candidate for President in 2008 who does not call for an immediate withdrawal from Iraq.

[Sallow]

52. It's not going to happen.

Sorry..no responsible candidate is going to be calling for withdrawl.

[High Plains]

73. Why? Because only HALF the American public supports it?

[Sallow]

86. It's no longer about how "popular" the war is..

Bush really screwed up here. This isn't like Panama, where the Reagan administration had the troops whiz in..grab Noriega and whiz out. The government and infrastructure in Panama were left in place. The Bush Administration had the troops bomb the crap out of Iraq, decimate the Iraqi military and once "victory" was achieved they disbanded the Iraqi army and kicked the entire government out. As distasteful as it sounds, Iraq which was somewhat functional is now completely disfunctional and basically on the verge of civil war. It would be a huge mistake to subject the people there to that.

[raysr]

29. Hillary-Bartcop

According to bartcop Hillary is the only winning candidate we have. Her stance on the war gets cross voters according to him. If she came out anti-war she would lose those that still support it for some reason. It's kinda like Kerry, get him in office first, then turn him. Personally, I don't think a repuke of any stripe would vote for Hillary, but bartcop's been right on alot of issues in the past. Drop over there sometime and check out his reasoning.

[Dave Sund]

34. Who in this country still supports the Iraq War?

Calling for immediate withdrawal would win any Democrat the election. Frankly, any Democrat who didn't would simply play into the Republicans hands. Especially if they nominated a vocal critic of the war like Chuck Hagel.

[RethugAssKicker]

33. Hilary wants to send more troops.... so FUCK HER! ..period.

[BL611]

36. Cindy does not speak for me

I'm very sorry for the loss of her son, and she has as much of a right to speak her mind as anyone else, and the ability to protest in whatever (legal) way she sees fit. That being said when it comes to politics I don't see any reason why her beliefs should hold any sway on me, while I have been against the war since day one, I frankly disagree with much that she has to say. I've served in Iraq, and I am a NY voter. I forgive Hillary for her vote, I understand and respect her position, and will happily vote for her next year, I encourage her to run for President as I find her to be one of this nations most competent public officials, and I will seriously consider voting for her in the primary.

[Montauk6]

37. She's right BUT this ultimatum should apply to EVERY Dem candidate.

When there's no justification for this war, there's no justification, pure and simple; what happens when, say, the Repubs en masse start calling for a pullout? Will Sen. Clinton et al maintain their position then?

[IndianaGreen]

40. Hillary is the presumptive Democratic nominee for 2008

or didn't you get the DLC memo yet?

I don't think Clark or Feingold or Edwards got the DLC memo.

[BL611]

41. I'm pretty sure

Edwards and Feingold got the message, don't be so sure Clark hasn't...

[Montauk6]

50. Nah, I cancelled my subscription

[Chi-Town Exile]

44. The "I'm taking my marbles and going home" attitude is ONE of the reasons

2000 soldiers are dead. Those that just had to vote third party or stay home still don't realize that their unwillingness to vote for Democrats (no matter how much they SUCK) is the reason the Republicans have a stranglehold on our government.

The Democrats SUCK, yes that is TRUE, but comments like, "I'd rather be raped by the Republicans than my own party" will ensure that the Republicans hang onto the House and Senate for years to come. I want to change the attitudes of the Democrats and in particular the DLC as much as anyone else, however, people keep refusing to look at the big picture.

Once again, we need to get our foot in the door, so to speak so we can get our agendas to move forward. We're on the outside looking in, refusing to vote for Democrats and handing Senate/House seats to Republican after Republican will not help us. We need to hold onto the numbers we have in the Senate right now, so IMHO Cindy's comments hurt more than they help.

I pray to God that Hillary will NOT be the nominee for 2008, that is a sure LOSS for the Dems once again, however, what is important is to keep Hillary in her senate seat.

I respect Cindy Sheehan enormously, she is the Rosa Parks of the Peace movement at this time. However, encouraging people not to back Democrats is not in the best interests of the troops or our country IMO. The Democrats SUCK, that is true, but they are all I've got right now and I need to back them.

FLAME AWAY ... Yes, I know, you're RADICALS!!! Blah blah blah

[IndianaGreen]

47. Democrats voted for the war

and we voted for Kerry in 2004 despite our strong opinions about him.

You won't have an ABB coalition in 2008, in fact, the Left is in no mood to fall for another ABB effort again.

[Chi-Town Exile]

49. Really? Then sit in the dark with your principles and all

THREE branches of the government firmly in the hands of Republicans for decades to come.

I'm sure that will really help your Green agenda when the Republicans continue to shred all the environmental gains we made as we cy-ber speak.

Is that really the way to get things accomplished? Just stay home and hold your breath until you turn blue?

And you are absolutely right the Democrats voted for the war because they relied on that bullshit intell like everyone else.
They were ASSHOLES! Anyone with a brain knew that the intell was bullshit and SOME stood up and DID NOT VOTE FOR the war. However, I am unwilling to throw those that voted for the war to the wolves because sadly, we're imperfect beings that make mistakes and I really don't wish to turn over their House/Senate seats to those that don't realize the war in Iraq is a HUGE mistake, quagmire, crime against humanity etc. Specifically, I don't want to turn their seats over to REPUBLICANS!!!!!!!!!!!

[IndianaGreen]

63. Spare me the DLC hysterics

The DLC can go to Iraq and get killed for all I care. They supported this war and they should put their ass on the line.

ABB in 2004 will not happen again in 2008. The Left will never support a prowar candidate!

[Chi-Town Exile]

64. The LEFT will LOSE ... AGAIN!

This isn't about DLC hysterics.

It's about REALITY and the REAL world.

You see, it isn't enough to just put on our peace sign tye-dye t-shirts and rail against the war. Been there, done that ... it's part of the plan, but it isn't the whole game.

That's right, we're down to a numbers game here, if you continue to stay home and not vote because a candidate isn't anti-war enough for you, you will continue to stay out in the street in your tye-dye shirt while Republican dickheads go into the halls of congress to set policy for the nation.

I don't support the DLC, I think they're assholes, but staying home isn't going to get rid of them, is it?

[IndianaGreen]

76. Why should anyone vote against their own interests?

Why would someone like me vote for a candidate that is prowar, anti-LGBT, and anti-abortion rights?

This is like asking Blacks to vote for a KKK candidate, or a Jew to vote for Hamas.

[LittleClarkie]

83. Good

ABB doesn't win elections. Being actually for the candidate wins elections. If all you can do is tell us why the Republican sucks and not why we should vote for the Democrat, then I'd rather you campaigned for a guy you DO support.

Your party will be stronger for it, and so will mine.

All I ask is that, when all is said and done, there is NOT a Republican sitting where a Democrat used to be.

Swap out a Progressive for a DLCer, but there DAMN WELL BETTER NOT BE A REPUBLICAN SITTING THERE WHEN YOU'RE DONE OR I WILL BE PEEVED.

[bluedog]

45. and she "regrets supporting Kerry"

Sheehan told the AP she was a lifelong Democrat who voted for Sen. John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election "only because he wasn't George Bush."

"But I've regretted working for someone who wasn't stridently speaking out against the war," and for bringing the troops home, Sheehan said. "Now I regret that support of John Kerry and I won't do it again.

from same article.


thought someone said she had a great meeting with Kerry?


story now up at yahoo:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051025/ap_on_re_us/clinton_sheehan;_ylt=AqfYrU3EnKeMTjoBcOupqAOs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3OXIzMDMzBHNlYwM3MDM-

[gardenista]

70. Why should any Dem meet with her if she is just going to stab them in the

back?

Cindy is over for me.

[AX10]

53. Clinton, Biden, Bayh, Kerry, Schumer, etc....

they are still support the war. Voting to authorize force IS support for military action.

[Chicago Democrat]

54. Yup! HAD YOU BACK BEFORE YOU ASKED CINDY!!!

This is leadership, folks.


Hillary is toxic and 100% wrong on every issue that matters to me.

[Chi-Town Exile]

57. Aren't we playing into the RNC's hands by even discussing

Hillary's candidacy in 2008 as a done deal?

It seems to me that the people really banging the "Hillary 2008" drums are the MSM media and their right-wing pundits. (Toe-sucker Dick Morris comes to mind, he is obsessed with the Clintons! LOL)

[Chicago Democrat]

59. we're all dems here.. we're allowed to discuss this most

important policy.

[Chi-Town Exile]

62. That's true, but IMHO it seems like the Right really wants Hillary

as the Dem candidate much in the same way they were breathless about Howard Dean and then proceeded to tear him to pieces.

[Chicago Democrat]

75. First is true, but Dean was a product of grass roots online activism

so the comparison is wrong.

[bluedog]

56. Activists to 'Die' Outside White House

Activists to 'Die' Outside White House

By ELISABETH GOODRIDGE, Associated Press Writer 59 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Cindy Sheehan and other peace activists plan to "die symbolically" for the next four days outside the White House to represent the American soldiers who have died in
Iraq.


Sheehan, whose son Casey died in Iraq last year, organized the vigil as the U.S. military death toll in the war neared 2,000.

"I'll be laying down and not getting up," Sheehan said Tuesday to a small crowd in which the number of journalists exceeded the number of protesters. "When they let me out, I'll do the same thing if I get arrested."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051025/ap_on_go_pr_wh/war_vigil;_ylt=AqiBc03erXLWYvWEO_lX7F.yFz4D;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--

[Chi-Town Exile]

60. The Headline is sensationalist and is trying to marginalize Cindy!

AGAIN, they're trying to paint her as a crazy woman ...

I like the symbolism of 2000 people out there with names of the fallen on their wrists.

[gardenista]

71. Cindy is marginalizing Cindy. nt

[DancingBear]

66. All I can say about this thread is that the trolls have been practising

Yeesh.

[leetrisck]

67. Then Cindy could call Hillary a "flip-flopper" - it doesn't

Matter what Hillary says - Cindy is getting her 2 bits worth so have at it. Personally, I support Cindy's right to do as she pleases but also support Hillary's right as Senator of New York to do what they want her to do. I will support Hillary for President if she runs.

[jbane]

72. Anti-war candidate will get crushed in the 2008 election.

The country is too far to the right. We either win with the moderates or get our ass
handed to us. Hillary is the one the Repukes fear the most.

[IndianaGreen]

77. Go ahead, nominate Hillary!

I dare you! I double dare you!

Don't blame us afterwards...

[Chicago Democrat]

78. Not true anymore.. look at polls... low 30s for support of Iraq War

Time always reveals truth inevitably. What was is no more. Time for a sea change.

[SomethingSomehow]

80. The posts to this thread can be decidedly sickening

From what I'm seeing, the clintons have become the democratic george bushes. People saying 'no one is going to tell me who to vote for, I'm going to vote for someone just because they're my party' is EXACTLY what got bush in. After what's going on lately and the bush structure has been so dented, do you really want someone who's going to make our party look just as bad?

Hillary clinton isn't just pro war. She's two faced. She declared she abhored the fur trade only to be caught wearing a mink coat, and now new york is one of the biggest areas of fur trade. She says she's against big oil when she's in public, but in private she's all for it.

Yes -- this is my first post, but no, don't start labeling me a freeper just because I don't agree with hillary. I'm just pointing out the mindless 'I'll vote for' attitude is what's going to ram our country into a rut, and we as DEMOCRATS need to be the responsible ones and not allow ourselves to become republican jr.

Corporate interests are NOT our friend. Does hillary support them?

The war is NOT productive, it is a tool to enshroud a president and enable them more power. More iraqis die because of our gunfire and, as terrible as civil war may be, civil war is inevitable, and is already happening. There is no true peace in iraq, if you really think we're helping then you're just eating media garbage. Is hillary in support of the people or the war?

Is hillary in support of telling the truth?

Is hillary in support of you?

If you answered whatever you feel fits your interests best, then by all mean vote to your heart's content. That is the ONLY reason that should make someone vote, not because their party is democrat (though I may be a bit of a hypocrite in the fact that, until they show no more corruption in the republican party for atleast 40 years I refuse to ever vote republican/conservative). We need to start thinking as a unified people, and not a label, to gain grounds. The republicans have the most power and what we do to stop it? We bicker amongst ourselves and use words like freeper and bushco to sound smart when in reality most of us don't do a thing to stop this.

No -- I have not been banned, nor am I a new user. I am an old user posting with a new name because my email that currently exists with my old account is malfunctioning but I felt the need to say this. I have been berated on these forums LONG enough by anti environmentalists, who accuse me of not caring about people because I love animals. I care about people, I just don't care about people like THAT. I've been berated for my stance that john kerry and bill clinton just don't do it for me. Hell, I'm berated as the enemy within what I once thought was my own group.

Maybe the bush administration is cannibilizing on itself, but democratic underground has already started that since kerry lost the elections, 04. WE need to be better, not them worse, remember that. Don't just watch your enemy squirm as if they're defeated, LAND the final blow to make sure of it, and if you want a good candidate, at the present time START doing something about it...and not just bickering on a broken forum filled with ideolistic, eletistic individuals. Freepers with brains are still freepers, don't do that to yourselves.

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81. Welcome to DU, SomethingSomehow!

:hi:

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85. who you gonna vote for if not hillary...a repuke

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