Soon it will be time for us to go after John McCain.

[Dr Fate]

The GOP's "good cop" needs to be taken down a notch or two. The sooner we all start, the better.

[Greybnk48]

1. I could not agree more, and Guilliani n/t

[Dawgs]

2. Guiliani is pro-choice and not anti-gay...

I don't think many righties even know this about him.

McCain is our biggest threat right now.

[Dr Fate]

4. "Moderates" love him for all the wrong reasons.

McCain is a Bush lackey/enabler disguised as a centrist.

The sooner we connect McCain to Bush's scandals, the better.

[JI7]

13. while people view them as moderate

but they do nothing but enable the right wingers.

it would be different if they were attempting to take power away from the extremists within their party. but they don't do that. they just provide cover to keep the moderate/independent types.

also, Ghouliani only cares about himself and profiting off of 9/11.

[Greybnk48]

14. Those are two reasons for me to like him

but I think he is corrupt and should not have the power of the Presidency. My evidence for this is the people he surrounded himself with in NYC. But, if he's pro-choice and pro-gay, he won't be elected by the right-wing nutjobs anyway.

I despise McCain after he slobbered all over Bush. He lacks character.

[shantipriya]

3. McCain

I totally agree. McCain is a SOB .Remember him campaigning very actively for SHRUB? And yes, Guiliani is another SOB who needs to be taught a lesson or two!

[Dr Fate]

7. McCain needs to be connected to Bush scandals. n/t

n/t

[blm]

18. McCain often repeated Pat Roberts' lying charges against Wilson from the

Senate Report.

[me b zola]

26. We should connect all repubs to the bush* sscandals

The rethugs are currently maneuvering to distance themselves from bush* and hence from how they boot-licked for him and worked as his minions. We cannot afford to allow these bastids to wash their hands of bush* that easily--ANY OF THEM.

[applegrove]

5. What are we - Orwellian packs of dogs? Go get "Bucky - off to the glue

factory ".

We don't attack unless it is policy. Neocons would love for us to follow their adolescent example but we are better than that!!

We are adults who fight with compassion & discernment. We don't attack someone just to attack. We do not destroy just to destroy. If McCain has debased himself - well he needs to answer for his actions.

But we have nothing to learn from the political culture created by Rove & all.

Not one dam thing to learn from them.

Who was it during Katrina would got enraged at the WH? Adults! Thinking feeling adults who all just went No No No No NO - in the country I know we do much better than this. We help desperate people we don't sit there and try and blame them.

Of course the RW desperately wants us to start acting like creeps and attackers and adolescent game players. It will make them look normal. People are turning back to Dems because Dems are clearly the adults.

[brainshrub]

8. Amen. (eom)

[Dr Fate]

9. Get ready to say hello to President McCain then.

What is "Orwellian" about truthfully connecting McCain to the GOP's "culture of corruption?"

[Nite Owl]

15. But we do attack him for

policy. It's the same as this WH for sure. He is now great buddies with them. He isn't calling the war a lie, he is following the party line. No need to do what was done to him in the republican primaries in '00, we don't have to stoop to lies when the truth is enough.

[az chela]

6. this man is as bad as bush

He aupports the war and big business and flip flops on every issue and then comes out on the side that he thinks is the most popular.
He is so 2 faced he is almost scarier than bush cause with bush we all know what we are gettting from him,with mccain he feeds you a bunch of lies and then changes things if it doesnt look good.
Do not think that this is a good man as you would be very wrong.
If you support him then expect more big government and deception.
He is my state senator and I have had many talks to people in his office and its pretty much what you would expect from any republican.Double speak!!!!

[kanrok]

10. Blow up this photo and pass it around

What a freaking tool.

[marylanddem]

16. Oh yes - that is a wonderful photo - a love hug. n/t

[BikeWriter]

30. It's full sized on this page:

http://www.desertratdemocrat.com/archives/2005/07/mccains_straigh.html

[TheDonkey]

36. holy shit, he just lost all the red states for that "sexually provocative"

grope.

[xkenx]

11. Good For You!

John McCain is nothing but a standard issue Rethug, who just once in a while says something moderate and seems like he's bucking Bush. After the smear attack Bush did to him in the 2000 primaries, to see McCain campaigning with Bush, giving Bush the infamous hug, makes me want to puke. The Bushies must have something on him, or his ambition just leads him to be Bush's HO! This man is no one any Democrat should have anything to do with. Even on campaign finance reform, supposedly his strong suit, he's two-faced. He campaigned recently with Arnold SchwartzeRENEGER in California for Arnold's ill-conceived ballot measures financed by massive amounts of money from Arnold's big business friends. All this after Arnold and McCain bitched about former Gov. Gray Davis' campaign contributions which paled by comparison. What a whore! Ptui!

[Dr Fate]

12. McCain's "coming home" to Bush shows his true character.

After they smeared him, his wife and his child in the SC primaries, he ran back to the fold.

It proves that he is a man of power, not principles.

[AlCzervik]

17. The gop will start kneecapping him before he announces his plans

Many in his own party hate him.

[Dr Fate]

23. Even in a post-Fitzmas Washington D.C.?

Repubs may try to appeal to the false perception of "moderation" & "reform" that McCain sells...

[Kolesar]

19. You and me are going to do that. Knock him down, kick him in the 'nads.

How are we going to do that?

[Disturbed]

20. Here is how.

John McCain, Hypocrite
by Doug Ireland

John McCain, the media's darling, has found a clever way around his own campaign finance reform law to take big corporate bucks in furtherance of his political ambitions while carrying water for the corporate mammoth providing the dough. But the national press is ignoring the story.

The Associated Press first ran the story of John McCain's odorous but lucrative Senatorial service to the communications giant Cablevision on the afternoon of March 7. But, while some local papers in McCain's home state (like the East Valley Tribune) have run the story, nothing has as yet made it into the print editions of the New York Times, the L.A. Times, the Washington Post, or any of the half-dozen other big city dailies I checked (although, if one searches the hundreds of AP stories available on the Post's website on its Politics page by clicking on "Latest Wire Reports," one can find it there--but how many readers would bother to do that?)

One notable exception: the Kansas City Star. Here's what the AP's investigation found: McCain repeatedly intervened on behalf of a policy Cablevision favored -- one which "congressional and private studies conclude could make cable more expensive" -- while his chief political adviser, Rick Davis (who's masterminding McCain's probable '08 presidential rerun) solicited $200,000 in contributions from Cablevision to an institute that promotes McCain and pays Davis a $110,000 annual salary.

The Reform Institute was set up to promote McCain and his issues--especially campaign finance reform, embodied in the famous McCain-Feingold law. This Institute is "a tax-exempt group that touts McCain's views and has showcased him at events since his unsuccessful 2000 presidential campaign," and it "often uses the senator's name in press releases and fund-raising letters and includes him at press conferences," the AP says. And, of course, it provides a cushy sinecure with no heavy lifting for McCain's main man, Davis, as he prepares the pontificating Senator's next presidential run. Cablevision's contributions account for a whopping 15% of the Institute's budget.

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0309-35.htm





When the talk about J. Kerry asking this hypocrite to be the VP on the ticket came up I was vehemtly opposed to it. It seemed ludricous to me. McCain is a opportunistic hack and has always been one.

[tibbiit]

21. I will never reconcile the hug with bush

I to this day cant believe he could stand to be in the same room with the human demons who lied on purpose about his family!
John McCain is dead to me ptoooey!

However, I think he will win against any dem.
We all know why he is dispicable, but people marginally aware of politics dont know and wont find out by the MSM... which is where they get their news.
Just my opinion and I hope Im wrong.
Three years is a long time too, (even though it will be here before we know it)
tib

[Dr Fate]

22. Don't forget him eating cake with Bush during Hurricane Katrina:

We take down McCain when we associate him with Bush & the GOP "Culture of Corruption."

[LittleClarkie]

28. We need to at the very least make sure he doesn't try to squirm

out of that association later. I picture a big, fat ad campaign with every picture there is flipping one after another showing McCain hugging, getting kissed by, and other such things, Bush.

[orleans]

25. He won't win against any democrat if we run ads that say:

JOHN MCCAIN EMBRACED THE BUSH POLICIES THAT TRIED TO BRING OUR COUNTRY DOWN. THEN HE EMBRACED THE MAN WHO GAVE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE A WHITE HOUSE FILLED WITH CORRUPTION AND TREASON. NOW JOHN MCCAIN IS ASKING YOU TO EMBRACE HIM. IT'S TIME THE AMERICAN PEOPLE JUST SAY NO.

[tibbiit]

31. You are right about

"He won't win against any democrat if we run ads that say:"

JOHN MCCAIN EMBRACED THE BUSH POLICIES THAT TRIED TO BRING OUR COUNTRY DOWN. THEN HE EMBRACED THE MAN WHO GAVE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE A WHITE HOUSE FILLED WITH CORRUPTION AND TREASON. NOW JOHN MCCAIN IS ASKING YOU TO EMBRACE HIM. IT'S TIME THE AMERICAN PEOPLE JUST SAY NO.

But since we arent the people with the public voice, like our senators and congresspeople... what are the chances that THEY (people with public voices) will actually say that sort of thing? (schumer about the war on MTP Sunday as an example)

I lived thru watergate... they pardon crooks and wrong-doers, then pat them on the back.
Our Public-Voices wont say any of that. They will want to go on and not live in the past! Be prepared to be pissed off!

I really hope Im wrong.
tib

[orleans]

35. god, i hope you're wrong too. i'm so tired of being pissed off. n/t

[Dr Fate]

24. All I can say is start spreading negative talking points about him now....

...and hope some of them seep in by 2004- so that they don't seem to desperately spring out of nowhere...

[LittleClarkie]

27. Release the marmosets!

I think he took himself down a notch with that infernal hugging routine during the campaign and his carrying water for this administration.

Still and all, I'm happy about his anti-terror legislation.

[BikeWriter]

29. "McCain argued that Rove may not have violated the agreement"

McCain argued that Rove may not have violated the agreement because when he leaked Valerie Plame’s identity it could have been an “honest mistake”
http://www.desertratdemocrat.com/archives/2005/07/mccains_straigh.html

[peacetalksforall]

32. I agree with all enthusiasm. He is no leader. He does not represent

the interests of any struggling citizen. Including everyone who struggles to understand his green brown yellow ecru chartreuse tan chameleon deceptions.

[No Exit]

33. McCain: Proud member of the Keating Five... and would someone

please tell me what the hell is the matter with the left side of his face? He's had a strange bulge there for some time now.

[WildEyedLiberal]

34. I HATE McCain

You're 100% correct. We need to defuse the "myth" that McCain is a maverick, a lone gunman lobbying against the bought-and-paid for operatives in Washington.

I know lots of "liberals" who love him, and that's what makes my stomach churn. Because he gives lip service to being "independent" every now and then, you'd think he was God. I had a far-left, socialist friend last year when I was working on Kerry's campaign tell me that he "hated Kerry" but that his favorite pol was MCCAIN. I wrote him off as clueless at that point, but that illustrates how pervasive this myth of McCain's alleged "integrity" is, all thanks to the MSM. How anyone who claimed to be liberal and had two brain cells to rub together could claim McCain had more integrity than Kerry is beyond me, truly.

[Dr Fate]

37. He has as cultivated his "Good Cop" routine over the years...

And as you kind of indicate- it's not just the media who promote this perception- too many DEMs go on TV and say "I respect McCain" etc- that will bite them on the but in 2004- it needs to end.

McCain is Bush's yes-man & water-boy- he is no Independent and certainly no moderate.