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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 10:04 AM
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Note to self: Never, ever play poker with Harry Reid.
He played Bush like a two dollar fiddle. His statement re the Miers nom:

“The radical right wing of the Republican Party killed the Harriet Miers nomination. Apparently, Ms. Miers did not satisfy those who want to pack the Supreme Court with rigid ideologues.

“I had recommended that the President consider nominating Ms. Miers because I was impressed with her record of achievement as the managing partner of a major Texas law firm and the first woman president of the Texas Bar Association. In those roles she was a strong supporter of law firm diversity policies and a leader in promoting legal services for the poor. But these credentials are not good enough for the right wing: they want a nominee with a proven record of supporting their skewed goals.

“In choosing a replacement for Ms. Miers, President Bush should not reward the bad behavior of his right wing base. He should reject the demands of a few extremists and choose a justice who will protect the constitutional rights of all Americans.”
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rkc3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 10:07 AM
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1. Link Please.
I'd like to send this to several friends.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 10:08 AM
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3. Raw Story has it.
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rkc3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 10:10 AM
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5. Thanks a ton.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 10:17 AM
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8. CNN showed his speech where he said it, too.
That's where I heard it.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 10:08 AM
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2. I agree... Now I hope he's got another
strategy in his bag of tricks to prevent someone even more odious from getting through.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 10:08 AM
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4. Give em hell Harry
www.giveemhellharry.com
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 10:13 AM
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6. Wonder what Limbaugh will make of this?
He supported Miers right up to the bitter end. Now he's shown to be on the side of "Dingy Harry".
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 10:15 AM
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7. The thing is though it wasn't the Radical Right that took down Miers...it
was the "mainstream conservatives" and the "neocons" like like Krystol who took her down. So, why does Reid make a big deal that it's the "radical right." It isn't the truth. :shrug:
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 10:18 AM
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9. Stay away from the Hold 'Em table.
Because it sets up whoever Bush nominates next as an obvious sop to the rad right, that's why. It puts Bush in an even deeper bind, and makes him look even worse--no matter who he nominates.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 10:26 AM
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11. Don't know what distinctions you are making - I would
call it the radical right, others call them the movement conservatives. At any rate, it is the neoconcs and uber-Christian factions of the rethugh party that took her out. No Senator was on record saying that he/she would not vote for Miers so this is a triumph of the party hacks. I don't know what "mainstream conservatives" actually would be.

What I like about today is that all of the Dems that have given interviews have all said it was the "radical right" faction of the Rethug party that caused this. Everyone (for a change) is reading from the same page and that is essential for the evening news cycle if it is going to penetrate the minds of the casual observers.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 01:55 PM
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28. Which is very good!
Sounds like Reid's "war room" is coming along great! He's doing a great job. :toast: To Harry!
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walkon Donating Member (919 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 10:56 AM
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13. George Will is irrelevant to the process
as are all "mainstream conservatives". The radical right is made up of PNACers and rabid christians and neither faction was with the BFEE on Miers. Dobson was "bought" to help pull the findies in. Didn't work. Now will the BFEE install a truly evil force rather than an incompetent yes gal? What are the chances?
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 01:58 PM
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29. Right on Dobson
I don't think he knew crap either. I think Rove just called him up to do the "nudge nudge, wink wink" stuff cause he hardly gave any information out. :eyes:
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 11:12 AM
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14. But the point is Reid tricked them into questioning Bush.
Edited on Thu Oct-27-05 11:12 AM by rockymountaindem
Seriously, they've been following Bush blindly for years. Wouldn't you think they'd have faith in the Bush crowd to nominate a pick to their liking?

But then Mr. Reid comes along and says "We Democrats are OK with Miers", causing the radical Repubs to say "Maybe there's something wrong with her after all". Would they ever have done that if the Democrats hadn't offered mild support? Vociferous, grandiose opposition only makes the other side more determined to win.

Reid's new slogan should be "Harry Reid: Killing 'em softly"
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 01:03 PM
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19. Exactly.
and it's a function of Bush's brain being out of the picture.
When the shrub is on his own, he can be easily taken to school by the Democrats.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 01:59 PM
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30. Yes
Reid knew that the democrats wouldn't have had enough votes to get her out so he had to come up with something. And don't forget that he mentioned she was a trial lawyer too who they supposivley hate for whatever reason.
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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 01:04 PM
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20. "Mainstream conservatives" are a bunch of sheep...
... herded along and told exactly what to think on every issue by authoritarian demagogues who exploit their fears and prejudices. And those demagogues are indeed radical. They're attacking the entire theory of government on which our country was based: liberal democracy.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 01:54 PM
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27. The radical right wanted
someone who would come out and say she was against Roe V Wade etc. and she didn't. Bush folded to them.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 10:24 AM
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10. I heard him say that live on CSPAN this morning.
Harry Reid is playing hardball. :)
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 10:43 AM
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12. Can you imagine a poker game with Reid, Fitzgerald and Conyers? n/t
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 12:55 PM
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16. I would not want to tbe the fourth on that table. n/t
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 01:16 PM
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21. Or is he playing chess? (Seems capable of thinking many moves ahead) nt
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Robeysays Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 03:48 PM
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36. Hmmmmmmm...
he's probably already got the next nomination in the bag too.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 02:03 PM
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31. Oh gosh
I wouldn't want to be on that table!
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 12:46 PM
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15. Very impressed.
Admittedly, I wasn't sure what to make of his statements in support of Miers at the beginning of all this. I didn't necessarily think they were genuine, but I wasn't sure if he was willing to be so sneaky as to fool the highest levels of power in the WH.

I'm pleasantly surprised. :)

Looks like Bush got Punk'd!
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indigo32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 01:01 PM
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18. Bush got Punk'd
he certainly did LOL
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Robeysays Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 03:49 PM
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37. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...
Edited on Thu Oct-27-05 03:51 PM by Robeysays
"O... you guys, you got me good!"


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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 02:04 PM
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32. Reverse psychology
I at first was a little pissed off but than I thought about it and read some other people's points and than knew what he was up to. Reid is so brilliant at this game! I'm glad he's on our team! Finally someone who can play hardball for real! Imagine if we do take back the House and Senate next year and impeach Bush and Pelosi is our president and she picks Reid as her VP. My that would be an amazing team!!
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 12:59 PM
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17. he used the force.
quiet types like Reid are like that. :)
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 02:04 PM
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33. Reid reminds me a little bit of
Yoda!
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 02:39 PM
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35. me too -- a tall yoda.
:)
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Orion The Hunter Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 01:26 PM
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22. Nice work Harry
Way to prevent the Republicans from trying to blame the Democrats or even the Senate for this one...it's all the fault of their own party (or at least the elitist and ridiculously religious right parts of it).
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 02:05 PM
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34. Yep
This is why they were quiet for the most part. Why jump in when you're already hanging yourself?
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 01:45 PM
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23. I am still SO CONFLICTED ABOUT HARRY REID. But I gotta give it up
for this move. Well played, Senator.
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 01:49 PM
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24. Harry Ried rocks my world
He is exactly the right man for the time. He would so clean my clock at the poker table!

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k j Donating Member (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 01:52 PM
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25. Note to self: Never, ever play poker with Harry Reid.
My thoughts exactly. B-)
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 01:53 PM
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26. Reid is the best
I'm glad he's the minority leader. He's doing great!!
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 12:33 AM
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38. Kick. Thanks, Mr. Minority Leader! nt
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 12:45 AM
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39. Umm, excuse me, but Harriet Miers wasn't qualified for the job...
... and Reid admitting that he recommended her makes him look as incompetent as Bush. I'm thinking he'd be pretty damn easy to bluff.

Further, Reid failed to fully-capitalize on the radical Right's blocking Miers' appointment to the Court, by not underscoring the Right's refusal to allow an up-or-down vote on the Senate floor for the President's judicial nominee. Reid had an excellent opportunity to make a preemptive strike against the Right's certain threats of the "nuclear option" should the Dems look to filibuster the next nominee.

Harry Reid isn't much more effective than Tom Daschle. Reid is mainly benefitting from Bush Admin failures, and has done little to take the offensive.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:06 AM
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40. He's not even as effective as Daschle
Edited on Fri Oct-28-05 02:08 AM by depakid
The man hasn't done one thing to try to stop the far right agenda, and has even crossed party lines to vote for the bankruptcy bill!

Hell, he hasn't even put up a fight- he bluffed once about shutting down the Senate over the filibuster, and then backed down, allowing three of the most extreme judges to ever be nominated to receive lifetime appointments. The Republicans witheld documents on Roberts- and he did nothing about it.

He zero credibility. And he has ZERO victories. At this point, he has the worst record of any minority leader in history- and he can't even show enough leadership to put some discipline into his own party, and get them to take principled stands on the issues that come up.

It just boggles the mind that DU'rs somehow see this guy as anything but a failure.
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